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12-29-2006, 08:11 PM
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Kovalev - 2 goals last 15 games

Samsonov - 2 goals last 27 games

Plekanec - 3 goals in 36 games, 0 goals last 13 games

Something needs to give here, these guys can't play together, its blatantly obvious.

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12-29-2006, 08:15 PM
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Kovalev - 2 goals last 15 games

Samsonov - 2 goals last 27 games

Plekanec - 3 goals in 36 games, 0 goals last 13 games

Something needs to give here, these guys can't play together, its blatantly obvious.
Word... They have to do something, it just doesn't work.

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12-29-2006, 08:17 PM
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Samsonov - Kovalev - Latendresse
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson
Murray - Plekanec - Streit


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12-29-2006, 08:18 PM
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The problem is that there isn't much room to move around.

Koivu and Higgins should be permanent

Perezhogin and Johnson with Bonk should be permanent as well.

I personally would love to see Kovalev play with Koivu more, although many have suggested that they haven't worked together all that well in the past. I think we should at least try:

Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Samsonov-Pleks-Ryder

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12-29-2006, 08:24 PM
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I think we should at least try:
Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Samsonov-Pleks-Ryder
That's a combination I would also like to see. The second line is not producing anyways so we don't risk anything.

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12-29-2006, 09:03 PM
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Higgins - Koivu - Ryder
Samsonov - xxxxxx - Kovalev
Perezoghin - Bonk - Johnson
Latendresse - Plekanec - Streit

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12-29-2006, 09:06 PM
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Lats has to be moved on one of the top 2 lines.

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12-29-2006, 09:10 PM
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It is blatantly obvious that Plekanec cannot play on that line, something needs to be done. I commend him for his effort and work ethic, but he's just not an offensive threat, he cannot buy a goal. He should be on the 4th line, maybe 3rd, to show his defensive skill and add pressure with his speed. That 2nd line would look better with Comrie.

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12-29-2006, 09:10 PM
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Higgy Koivu Kovalev- Give Kovalev a finisher and a great playmaker on his line. Pleks cant finish to save his life.

Sammy Pleks Ryder- Give the second line a finisher as well.

Perez Bonk Johnson- obviously

wtv for the 4th line.

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Perezhogin and Johnson with Bonk should be permanent as well.
Bah...
Not really.
If we can improve our offense by breaking this line I'm all for it.
Perezhogin looked pretty bad recently and he still has scored only 4 goals so far.

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Lats has to be moved on one of the top 2 lines.
Lats is fine on the 4th line... when Murray is replaced by Lapierre.

I'm pretty sure both those Kovalev goals were on the PP with Koivu and Ryder.

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12-29-2006, 09:13 PM
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I don't even want to think about Kovalev and Samsonov's non-powerplay production.

And I won't bother thinking about Plekanec's because I know there is none

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12-29-2006, 09:14 PM
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I'm pretty sure both those Kovalev goals were on the PP with Koivu and Ryder.
But it's a different ball game on the powerplay. You can not judge a line by his PP production.

That being said I would not hate a first line Higgins-Koivu Kovalev

But Samsonov-Pleks-Ryder would not work at all.

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12-29-2006, 09:24 PM
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But it's a different ball game on the powerplay. You can not judge a line by his PP production.

That being said I would not hate a first line Higgins-Koivu Kovalev

But Samsonov-Pleks-Ryder would not work at all.
That's what I'm saying. Kovalev has scored (i think) 2 goals all season 5 on 5 (excluding empty net goals). And those 2 goals in his last 15 games, were on the PP playing along side Koivu and not the usual #2 center.

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12-29-2006, 09:25 PM
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Not much going on in the sabres board right now.

Isn't Higgins natural position centre?

IF SO

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Higgins-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Bonk-Johnson
Begin-Plekanec-Streit

Therefor, Higgins being stellar defensively can lighten the pressure on his wingers to be at their best defensively, it also gives them a guy who will take the hits in front to put home a rebound or just fire one into the net.

Obviously the first line was great while higgins was out.

The bottom two pairings are both still pretty solid defensively with good role players.

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12-29-2006, 09:25 PM
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Higgins Koivu Kovalev
Ryder Plekanec Latendresse
Samsonov Bonk Johnson
Perezhogin ? ? (Begin, Murray, Downey, Streit, Lapierre)

There is definitely enough staff there to make some moves. A 2nd line center is needed of course.

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Higgins was tried veeeery briefly inbetween Samsonov and Kovalev when he came back from his injury, but was back on the top line before the end of the game. I'm not really sure why Carbo doesn't try it out long term.

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12-29-2006, 09:28 PM
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Not much going on in the sabres board right now.

Isn't Higgins natural position centre?

IF SO

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Higgins-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Bonk-Johnson
Begin-Plekanec-Streit

Therefor, Higgins being stellar defensively can lighten the pressure on his wingers to be at their best defensively, it also gives them a guy who will take the hits in front to put home a rebound or just fire one into the net.

Obviously the first line was great while higgins was out.

The bottom two pairings are both still pretty solid defensively with good role players.
Higgins hasn't played center in a while, not in the NHL anyway. I think he was a winger in the AHL as well.

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While Begin is out:

Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Samsonov-Latendresse-Ryder
Perezhogin-Bonk-Johnson
Downey-Lapierre-Streit

When Begin comes back:

Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Samsonov-Latendresse-Ryder
Perezhogin-Bonk-Johnson
Lapierre-Begin-Downey

Lapierre has proved himself and deserves to be put back in the line up. Downey is a valuable asset when we need a fight or two to spark some intensity in the Canadiens. Latendresse is a first or second line player, he doesn't produce when he's all the way on the fourth line. Samsonov and Kovalev are hogs and don't work well together. Streit is a defensemen with a WICKED shot, he can turn out to be another Souray if he's put back on defense. Plekanec had an average rookie season, but average isn't good enough, and he hasn't done enough this season. This is something that I'd love to see tried out. I actually wouldn't mind seeing how Johnson works with Koivu, I think they'd make a good pair.

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Higgins hasn't played center in a while, not in the NHL anyway. I think he was a winger in the AHL as well.
No harm in trying it out lol.

It might spark something, or split Kovalev and Samsonov up maybe like

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Higgins-Plekanec-Kovalev
Samsonov-Bonk-Johnson
Perezhogin-Begin-Streit

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12-29-2006, 09:44 PM
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No harm in trying it out lol.

It might spark something, or split Kovalev and Samsonov up maybe like

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Higgins-Plekanec-Kovalev
Samsonov-Bonk-Johnson
Perezhogin-Begin-Streit
You keep taking Higgins away from Koivu! Try as many combinations as you want, fact is the weakness stays the 2nd line center.

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12-29-2006, 09:49 PM
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No harm in trying it out lol.

It might spark something, or split Kovalev and Samsonov up maybe like

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Higgins-Plekanec-Kovalev
Samsonov-Bonk-Johnson
Perezhogin-Begin-Streit
Lets flip Ryder and Higgins, then Higgins and Latendresse and you've got a deal:

Higgins Koivu Latendresse
Ryder Plekanec Kovalev
Samsonov Bonk Johnson
Perezhogin Begin Streit

I always thought Latendresse was a RW, and Ryder was a LW starting out. 2nd center though

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Fear my uber-NHL 07 coaching mentality:

Option A:

Samsonov - Koivu - Streit
Latendresse - Higgins - Kovalev
Perezhogin - Lapierre - Ryder
Plekanec - Bonk - Johnson

If the swiss experiment fails:

Samsonov - Koivu - Ryder
Latendresse - Higgins - Kovalev
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson
Begin - Lapierre - Streit

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Calling Grabovski up for 2-3 games could work... We've nothing to lose the first and the third are doing good but the 2nd is really bad. I would give grabovski a shot to prove himself.

Maybe not ready but still it cant be worst then the actual 2nd line.

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12-29-2006, 11:06 PM
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I would switch Kovalev and Ryder, I think it's worth the try...

Latendresse is playing well on the fourth, he can make this one produce so I wouldn't move him from there.

The change doesn't need to be drastic, I think Kovalev and Koivu wasn't a good duo when they were put on a line together in even strenght but they hadn't Higgins with them. I would like Guy to try that for some games.

Anyway, we don't score much on 5 on 5 and it's not like Kovalev and Ryder were important defensive pieces of their lines.

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