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01-03-2007, 03:51 PM
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I hope Smyth and Lowe were watching the Yzerman ceremony last night. He's an Oiler and should remain an Oiler and should retire an Oiler. According to what the Oilers gave other players, $5M is what Smyth should get. I was one who thought $5M was an overpayment for Smyth. I admit it. But right now, I don't know anymore, based on the performances he's delivered to date. Plus, if all the players around the league are so-called "overpaid", are they still overpaid or is that the market?

For the sake of Smyth retiring as an Oilers (BTW, who was the last long serving Oiler who only played for the Oilers and retired as an Oiler?) I hope Lowe signs him.

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01-03-2007, 03:55 PM
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I think this deal has to go down, no matter what it costs us. Smyth will most likely wait until the off-season and will use his UFA status to get max dollars out of us. And he should. I think $5M is a minimum, unless Smyth losses a leg or something.

The most important part of the equation is not how much, but how long?

I've held the niave opinions of cherishing pure skill over an overall game. Samsonov comes to mind. I learned my lesson. Smyth, and his intangibles should make any GM want him to be his Stevie Y.

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I'm sure there will be a team or two willing to offer 6M a season, but they might not be willing to offer more than 3 years.

What I envision happening is a 6 year deal that averages around 4.5M per season.

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01-03-2007, 04:49 PM
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Yes, maybe Roli and Sykora for the short term otherwise all the rest can be upgraded.

Sykora is expendable...way too soft and lost without Hemmer

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who would you play hardball with? Pisani isn't essential to this team, Staios right now is, so out of the three, Pisani would have been the one I targeted to get the good discount from.
Does this make any sense at all?

Smyth is currently under contract. Staios was as well before he signed his extension. Pisani was a pending UFA and was signed during the offseason.

In terms of leverage, Pisani had the most so choosing to squeeze Pisani is choosing not to sign him. For the record, Pisani's outscoring numbers this year are pretty phenomenal. I think it's a stretch to argue he hasn't earned his money thus far this year.

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Sykora is expendable...way too soft and lost without Hemmer
If we acquire a D-man and sign Smyth, I don't know how we'd keep him

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If we acquire a D-man and sign Smyth, I don't know how we'd keep him
He should sign for less IMO.

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I don't think you pay Smyth as much money as Chris Pronger, but you definately pay him 5 million.

He's our best player this year, that's the bottom line. You pay your best player the most money.

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smyth is going to be looking for numbers and years, something the oilers have already given to hemsky.

in my opinion, if lowe offers less than 5 million, smyth is in a different sweater next season.

It's the right move too, as I feel the organization would be better served spending 4 million on a free agent defenseman than the status quo.

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01-03-2007, 06:34 PM
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I think Smyth goes for close to 6 mil, if the oilers dont want to pay him someone else will, its as simple as that.

As previously mentioned, we had the chance to sign him for 5 which would still be reasonable, but it wasnt done. Smyth has already said he wont sign for less this time around, deservedly so, when Lowe said he was signing key cogs to this team's future years, he completely overlooked Smyth.

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SMID?! I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this.
How about the fact that a year ago he was playing in the WJC, to now playing a top 4 role in a horrible defensive system like ours. Theres less then 5 defenseman in the league right now his age or younger that could be in that situation and not totally **** the bed evernight. (Hes still had a few bad games and costly turnovers but thats expected as a rookie playing his role)

This is exactly the type of defenseman you can build around as your core....then again your probably the only one that doesn't see this either.

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I'm sure there will be a team or two willing to offer 6M a season, but they might not be willing to offer more than 3 years.

What I envision happening is a 6 year deal that averages around 4.5M per season.
I agree.
I see a long term deal for Smyth as well. Ryan gets the security of a long term deal...the Oilers get the good PR that comes from signing Ryan long term and they reduce the cap hit.
It will be interesting to see how Lowe structures this contract.

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01-03-2007, 07:55 PM
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I see an Elias type contract (except for less $$$ obviously), 7 years NMC for a lower caphit.

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Honestly guys, want to know what the guy is really worth. Take away all of Smyth's timely goals this season, factor in that right now he is playing with a bum hand. Add all the grit and leadership that he adds to the team. Then consider where this team would be without Ryan Smyth, especially game three against SJ last year. Hometown discount bedamned, this guy deserves a good payday whilst he is still in his prime. Oilers have to sign him, and I don't think that he is an unreasonable man. Make it a five year deal at fair money, and be glad we have him on our side. Its scary where this team will be if they don't.

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Honestly guys, want to know what the guy is really worth. Take away all of Smyth's timely goals this season, factor in that right now he is playing with a bum hand. Add all the grit and leadership that he adds to the team. Then consider where this team would be without Ryan Smyth, especially game three against SJ last year. Hometown discount bedamned, this guy deserves a good payday whilst he is still in his prime. Oilers have to sign him, and I don't think that he is an unreasonable man. Make it a five year deal at fair money, and be glad we have him on our side. Its scary where this team will be if they don't.
I certainly agree with his value to the team when he is in the lineup... that being said, when you think about what Ryan Smyth will bring to the team, you really have to think of it in terms of it being over 60-70 games, not 82.

The way he plays makes him very prone to various injuries, and he seems to get at least one every season that forces him out of the lineup for an extended period of time.

He's either got to give on the $$$$ or the years. If he wants $6mil over 5 years, let him go. If he wants $5mil over 3 years, that is something that is very workable.

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I certainly agree with his value to the team when he is in the lineup... that being said, when you think about what Ryan Smyth will bring to the team, you really have to think of it in terms of it being over 60-70 games, not 82.

The way he plays makes him very prone to various injuries, and he seems to get at least one every season that forces him out of the lineup for an extended period of time.
Good point, this is the exact same reason why I didn't want Samsonov around for big $, he hasn't been a very healthy player over the last few years. Mike York was the same way. I also believe that play-off performances should be factored into what a player gets paid. If he were dominant in the play-offs $6 million would be a no-brainer.

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01-03-2007, 10:54 PM
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I apologize, I did a quick search and noticed that you have been remarkably consistent in your staunch hyping of Smyth.
Thanks for that. It's appreciated. You could definitely say I'm a staunch supporter. No hype for Smyth needed He does it on the ice.

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Good point, this is the exact same reason why I didn't want Samsonov around for big $, he hasn't been a very healthy player over the last few years. Mike York was the same way. I also believe that play-off performances should be factored into what a player gets paid. If he were dominant in the play-offs $6 million would be a no-brainer.
I'm curious why you might feel Smyth isn't dominant in the playoffs.

That he's spent every playoff ever playing against spend silly allstar teams that far exceeded his own teams skill level speaks volumes about the limits that were situationally imposed.

Smyth has yet to, in his entire career, face one lukewarm playoff opponent. They've all been ringers. Every one.

Unfair to judge the player for this if thats what you meant.

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I certainly agree with his value to the team when he is in the lineup... that being said, when you think about what Ryan Smyth will bring to the team, you really have to think of it in terms of it being over 60-70 games, not 82.

The way he plays makes him very prone to various injuries, and he seems to get at least one every season that forces him out of the lineup for an extended period of time.

He's either got to give on the $$$$ or the years. If he wants $6mil over 5 years, let him go. If he wants $5mil over 3 years, that is something that is very workable.

I agree with the issue of time for Smyth.

I have never had that much trouble with paying Smyth up to around the 5 to 5.5 million, even before start of this year. But when you get to anything over 2 to 3 years I get nervous about that.

Smyth is not super young and there is no guarantee he would remain a 5 mill player by year 5 of the deal.

6 mill for 3 is fine, but for the last 2 I think it may need to drop a bit if Ryan wants security

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To get back to part of the reason for this thread and regardless of how we feel about Smytty contractually lets all take a moment to exalt in the Copper and Blue goodness of this: (just ignore the statistical aberation named Maxim Laperriere)

http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?fetc...viewName=goals

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Because he is $.

Smyth is the top GPG scorer in the league right now with 20 goals in 29 games=.690
well if we're going to compare players on partial seasons, Shanahan had 22goals in his first 29 games = .759

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well if we're going to compare players on partial seasons, Shanahan had 22goals in his first 29 games = .759
Smyth was injured therefore couldn't play, not like were cutting out a portion of games that he didn't score in. Shanahan has 23 goals in 41 games. Failure.

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I hope Smyth and Lowe were watching the Yzerman ceremony last night. He's an Oiler and should remain an Oiler and should retire an Oiler. According to what the Oilers gave other players, $5M is what Smyth should get. I was one who thought $5M was an overpayment for Smyth. I admit it. But right now, I don't know anymore, based on the performances he's delivered to date. Plus, if all the players around the league are so-called "overpaid", are they still overpaid or is that the market?

For the sake of Smyth retiring as an Oilers (BTW, who was the last long serving Oiler who only played for the Oilers and retired as an Oiler?) I hope Lowe signs him.
I agree with everything said here. An organization as rich in history needs to retire a guy like Smyth. It's not like he's a token player, he is very deserving of the honor of only playing for one team over a entire career.
After watching Yzermans retirement I can just see Ryan Smyth there bawling his eyes out because he was wanted enough by the Oilers to get the honor of only playing for one team.
All of Smyths heroic efforts every night are a non issue now. Everybody knows he does this night in and night out . It's no secret anymore that he bleeds Oil and would do anything to help this team win hockey games. They guy is also very community minded and is still after 10+ seasons getting pucks for the fans after warmups and tossing them into the crowd. I liked it when Don Cherry singled him and out and said "If there was ever a player to play for free in the NHL, Smyth would be the guy, he just loves the game".
PLEASE K.LOWE SIGN THIS GUY AND LET ME AND OILER FANS NEVER HAVE TO SEE HIM IN ANOTHER JERSEY...EVER.

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I have always believed that Smyth = Edmonton Oilers. I have said he was untouchable and should retire an Oiler unfailingly. All this before this remarkable season. Ryan has taken everything 'Smyth' about his game; determination, grit, courage, and committment to the Oilers and supercharged it! The things he has done this year, the consistency, playing through injury to score... everything he does on and off the ice are absolutely unbelievable.

I think it would be impossible to leave Ryan off of a dream team comprised of all the NHL's best players. He is elite, clutch, heart and soul, and simply incredible.

Give him what he wants, for how long he wants, and adjust your roster to fit. You know Ryan won't ask for something that will cripple the team. People can say I'm overrating Smyth, but I 100% believe what I've posted.

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I certainly agree with his value to the team when he is in the lineup... that being said, when you think about what Ryan Smyth will bring to the team, you really have to think of it in terms of it being over 60-70 games, not 82.

The way he plays makes him very prone to various injuries, and he seems to get at least one every season that forces him out of the lineup for an extended period of time.
Why not just fire up tsn.ca's Ryan Smyth player page and copy it verbatim?

This is true of all hockey players, dawgbone. They get hurt. I think you'd find that Ryan Smyth is not particularly unusual in this respect. He's averaged 72 games per year for the last five seasons and he's averaged the same over his entire career. I don't think that has much bearing on his value.

That doesn't preclude the Oilers from trying that angle in negotiations mind you.

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