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01-03-2007, 04:10 PM
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Convert a forward to D?

Just thinking out loud here, not seriously suggesting it as a fix, but is there anyone on our now-crowded forward roster who you think could handle playing the point and helping with our puck-moving problems? Seems like our steadiest defenseman in this regard this year (Staois) is a converted forward, anyway.

My main suggestion is Horcoff. He's been off defensively, but is generally solid with positioning and is decent-sized. He's also a very good passer when he's not struggling. And on that note, it might kill two birds with one stone in that he's in a major funk as a forward right now. Plus, Horc has made a habit throughout his career of surpassing low expectations—it's only with his new deal and the solidification of his role as a number one centre that his game has come apart.

I would, of course, be shocked if MacT tried it. It would reek of panic, and there would be short-term pain in the form of gaffes and bad goals, but I might nevertheless applaud his guts and ingenuity. And who knows, it could pay off in the long run.

As a side question, thinking about this has made me curious what it is Detroit saw in Sergei Fedorov to take a world-class forward and make him into a defenseman for years. Can anyone fill me in?

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I've thought about if it might work with Jarret before as he's got the right positioning, shot, build, and passing ability. However, most of these guys (ESPECIALLY Stoll lately) are simply too effective as forwards to waste their talents on D for any amount of games, and run the risk of them costing us goals against or not getting the necesarry goals for.

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Petersen? He has played D before, and won't be missed too much up front.

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Petersen? He has played D before, and won't be missed too much up front.
I hate to sound mean.....but why does everybody think that you can just convert a player at this level....IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! There has been a small handful of players in the past two decades that have played both positions.

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Actually right now I think theres a handful who can and do play both. None are superstars but take a look around.

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I hate to sound mean.....but why does everybody think that you can just convert a player at this level....IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! There has been a small handful of players in the past two decades that have played both positions.
Why did you quote me instead of the person that made the thread? I was just offering a suggestion. Also, since Petersen HAS played D before...it isn't converting him...it's sending him back.

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I say we put Lowe out there before we try converting a forward to a defenceman.

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He is so good positionally etc... I have always thought Pisani might make a D in another life.

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I hate to sound mean.....but why does everybody think that you can just convert a player at this level....IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! There has been a small handful of players in the past two decades that have played both positions.
Like Wade Belak.

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Steve Staios used to play forward, but the convertion took years until it worked out well and made Steve the solid top-four blueliner he is today.

It's pretty much learning it all new. For most guys it's switching to a position they've never played before and, therefore, are not comfortable with it.

You can put a guy like Horcoff or Stoll in a defenseman's role, but it likely won't pay dividends for years to come. It will take a lot of time, perseverance and patience, with lots of ups and downs.

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I wonder what Winnie would look like back there? He's got monster size. I think guys who play D and forward in the NHL were originally defencemen and play forward... a much easier transition. Staios for instance was a Defenceman when Vancouver converted him to Forward.. then he went to Atlanta as a forward. Edmonton converted him back to D when we got him IIRC.

Sergei Federov is one of a kind. Hes the only pro I can think of who was originally a F and played D.

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Sergei Federov is one of a kind. Hes the only pro I can think of who was originally a F and played D.
I thought Sami Kapanen did the same, but I could be wrong.

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I thought Sami Kapanen did the same, but I could be wrong.
I think your right... how long did he play d tho

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I think your right... how long did he play d tho
IIRC, at least one full season.

EDIT: seriously, this thing converted "I I R C" to If I recall correctly... wow, go HF software!

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If I recall correctly, at least one full season.

EDIT: seriously, this thing converted "I I R C" to If I recall correctly... wow, go HF software!
DAMN thats crazy! It did it in my post too!

A whole season? I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Still F to D is very difficult to pull off.

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OT-But our prospect Geoff Paukovich should be converted to d if he has any hopes of making it to the NHL. He has no clue offensively, but can skate well, has very good size, and a mean streak.

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I hate to sound mean.....but why does everybody think that you can just convert a player at this level....IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! There has been a small handful of players in the past two decades that have played both positions.
Easy tiger... I wasn't saying it can or should be done, only that it's an interesting possibility. My caution seems to be shared by pretty much everyone here.

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Mikhnov...might as well put the Tractor to some use

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If I recall correctly, at least one full season.

EDIT: seriously, this thing converted "I I R C" to If I recall correctly... wow, go HF software!
WOW, i just tried it...worked for me too. I wonder what else it converts. I figured another one out...but i'd rather not spoil it

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Well, I had the thought a little while ago that Hemsky has certain qualities that would make him a good defenceman. I am certainly not advocating it, but I brought it up because this looks to be the thread for it.
Most of his points are assists, anyway.
He is our best passer.
He can strip anybody of the puck.
Paul Coffey comes to mind when I think of an offensive minded Dman. He was a damn fine one at that. So, it might work.

I'm really not serious about this, but it's an interesting thought, I think.

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Well, I had the thought a little while ago that Hemsky has certain qualities that would make him a good defenceman. I am certainly not advocating it, but I brought it up because this looks to be the thread for it.
Most of his points are assists, anyway.
He is our best passer.
He can strip anybody of the puck.
Paul Coffey comes to mind when I think of an offensive minded Dman. He was a damn fine one at that. So, it might work.

I'm really not serious about this, but it's an interesting thought, I think.
Last guy I would have expected to read about in this thread...sure, he's a good passer, but if all d-men had to be good passers Jason Smith would be in some men's rec league right now. Hemsky would get brutalized in the corners and is obviously not a great shotblocker. Also, most forwards who have never played defense are horrible at skating backwards. Ales would be no different.

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Last guy I would have expected to read about in this thread...sure, he's a good passer, but if all d-men had to be good passers Jason Smith would be in some men's rec league right now. Hemsky would get brutalized in the corners and is obviously not a great shotblocker. Also, most forwards who have never played defense are horrible at skating backwards. Ales would be no different.
Fair enough. All good reasons not to think about it again.

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Like Wade Belak.
Please don't insult the 3rd best player in NHL history (just behind Antropov and Berg).

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Sergei Federov is one of a kind. Hes the only pro I can think of who was originally a F and played D.
Well, there's another example on our team.

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Steve Staios used to play forward, but the convertion took years until it worked out well and made Steve the solid top-four blueliner he is today

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