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01-11-2007, 11:59 AM
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Will DB ever admit he was wrong about Petr Nedved? I'd be surprised to see it, he seems a bit stubborn when he gets an idea into his head (as many of us here on HF do).

I think Nedved has already proven that he in fact is NOT washed up. If a player is truly finished as an NHL player, you can tell. He can't compete, and he doesn't do anything positive on the ice. He looks like he doesn't belong.

I look at Petr and I see a guy who IS doing positive things on the ice, who wants to be here and is improving every game as he gets reaquainted with the Oilers system and extra skating. I see a guy who is VERY comfortable controlling the puck on the half-boards on the second unit PP . We haven't had anyone look good in this role yet. Not Horcoff, Pisani, Lupul, anyone.

I'm not ready to say this experiment was a total success, but so far so good and Petr has warranted a little patience from Oiler fans with his initial play.
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It's been 4 whole games. How wrong or right can anyone be after 4 games? Am I wrong if he ends up with 5 points and is a -10 after 20 games? Are you wrong if he plays poorly for the next 5 games and turns it around?

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It's been 4 whole games. How wrong or right can anyone be after 4 games?
It's not about right or wrong...it's about giving some credit when it's due, which you have given none.

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It's not about right or wrong...
Then why do you guys keep mentioning me being wrong if it's not about that?

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it's about giving some credit when it's due, which you have given none.
Enough other people are giving him credit in spades by saying how much better the PP has looked, and how much chemistry they've shown as a line (despite the PP not doing much, and despite them getting hemmed in their zone and giving up more scoring chances than they get).

I don't recall you or Gator calling him out when he messes up... how is it any different?


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Then why do you guys keep mentioning me being wrong if it's not about that?



Enough other people are giving him credit in spades by saying how much better the PP has looked, and how much chemistry they've shown as a line (despite the PP not doing much, and despite them getting hemmed in their zone and giving up more scoring chances than they get).

I don't recall you or Gator calling him out when he messes up... how is it any different?
...because he's not alone on the line who has messed up a few times in past 4 games.

You have singled him out for the few mistakes he's made, and not giving any credit whatsoever for the plays he has made. You still can't admit Nedved made a nice play to set up Sykora's goal against Vancouver


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It's been 4 whole games. How wrong or right can anyone be after 4 games? Am I wrong if he ends up with 5 points and is a -10 after 20 games? Are you wrong if he plays poorly for the next 5 games and turns it around?
You seemed pretty adamant you were right before ANY games were played.

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Then why do you guys keep mentioning me being wrong if it's not about that?



Enough other people are giving him credit in spades by saying how much better the PP has looked, and how much chemistry they've shown as a line (despite the PP not doing much, and despite them getting hemmed in their zone and giving up more scoring chances than they get).

I don't recall you or Gator calling him out when he messes up... how is it any different?

For the record I have mentioned numerous times that his defensive abilities are lacklustre, and that I liked how MacT was using him (cautiously). Even when I argued for him, I said we could afford to take on a player of his ilk. So it's not exactly like I'm standing here saying he is an all-star first line player, where you were saying he wasn't even an NHL calibre player anymore.

I agree it is too early to judge, I just found the carried away comment a bit funny.


On an slightly related note: The other thing Toby lacked was physical presence. Hemsky was getting run a lot in the games where Petersen was on that line. Ultimately this led to injury.

I don't know if Nedved will reduce the liberties teams take with Hemsky, but it seems to because: (1) puck moving/passing has improved on this line (Nedved over Petersen), and (2) Nedved is a bigger guy.


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...because he's not alone on the line who has messed up a few times in past 4 games.

You have singled him out for the few mistakes he's made, and not giving any credit whatsoever for the plays he has made. You still can't admit Nedved made a nice play to set up Sykora's goal against Vancouver
Actually, I argued that he wasn't the one who was primarily responsible for Sykora's goal. He made a good play to get open and got a good shot off, but Sykora also made a good play to get the puck to Hemmer in the first place, and Hemmer made a great pass to Nedved. There were a few good plays on that goal... not just Nedved's like someone tried to suggest.

And again, I don't see any of you getting on him when he continually gets hemmed into his own zone, or when he is soft on the puck on the PP.

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Then why do you guys keep mentioning me being wrong if it's not about that?
Cause you were wrong! When you say a guy is washed up... that is a pretty damning statement... it means that player can't compete at the NHL level. Nedved has already proven he still can.

You are wrong and pretty much everyone here sees it but you.

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Cause you were wrong! When you say a guy is washed up... that is a pretty damning statement... it means that player can't compete at the NHL level. Nedved has already proven he still can.

You are wrong and pretty much everyone here sees it but you.
Again, we'll see after 20 or so games where he is. That's all I am going to say. We'll see if he can stay determined and manage to change his game around from the disaster that he was in Philly.

The only difference I see is that he's got better goaltending behind him right now.

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