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01-10-2007, 07:14 PM
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Sidney Crosby's Point Pace

Is it wrong to think Crosby can put up Lemieux and Gretzky type seasons? I mean I know it was a higher scoring age and it would be harder now then before. You could also say that he's not on a level that high but just take a look at his first two season paces compared to these other two Hall Of Famers.

Lemieux:
1st season: 1.37 ppg
2nd season: 1.78 ppg

Gretzky:
1st season (WHA): 1.44 ppg
2nd season: 1.73 ppg

Crosby:
1st season: 1.25 ppg
2nd season: 1.71 ppg

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01-10-2007, 07:23 PM
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No. Crosby is overhyped and won't even reach 100 points until his 5th or 6th season.

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I don't think it's totally unrealistic...the thing with Sid..he may never do what Gretz did with 205,208, 212 and 215 or even Mario with 199 and 160 in 60 games....

BUT Sid may regularily put up 160 points...and I think he's gonna have that Mark Messier type longevity....outside of injury his drive will be greater then that of Sakic or Yzerman with greater skill as well...he'll get the most out himself for the longest time possible and that may not mean 200 four times or even once...but it may mean 150+ in 10 or more seasons(possibly starting this year)...which is crazy

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I don't think it's totally unrealistic...the thing with Sid..he may never do what Gretz did with 205,208, 212 and 215 or even Mario with 199 and 160 in 60 games....

BUT Sid may regularily put up 160 points...and I think he's gonna have that Mark Messier type longevity....outside of injury his drive will be greater then that of Sakic or Yzerman with greater skill as well...he'll get the most out himself for the longest time possible and that may not mean 200 four times or even once...but it may mean 150+ in 10 or more seasons(possibly starting this year)...which is crazy
My view is the same this. He won't break any of Gretzky's records, but he's going to put up amazing numbers for many years consistently.

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which could lead to some of Gretz records being broken...

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No. Crosby is overhyped and won't even reach 100 points until his 5th or 6th season.
That's even if he's good enough to stick in the NHL in the first place. Daigle anybody?

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It's also worth pointing out that he has almost as many points outside of the division as within now. 30 vs 35.

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Is it wrong to think Crosby can put up Lemieux and Gretzky type seasons? I mean I know it was a higher scoring age and it would be harder now then before. You could also say that he's not on a level that high but just take a look at his first two season paces compared to these other two Hall Of Famers.

Lemieux:
1st season: 1.37 ppg
2nd season: 1.78 ppg

Gretzky:
1st season (WHA): 1.44 ppg
2nd season: 1.73 ppg

Crosby:
1st season: 1.25 ppg
2nd season: 1.71 ppg
Why not put in Gretzky's 2nd NHL season which he started at 19 years old? 2.05 PPG.

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Why not put in Gretzky's 2nd NHL season which he started at 19 years old? 2.05 PPG.
he could but that makes it tough to compare to Crosby's 3rd pro season seeing as how he hasn't played it yet

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....outside of injury his drive will be greater then that of Sakic or Yzerman with greater skill as well...he'll get the most out himself for the longest time possible and that may not mean 200 four times or even once...but it may mean 150+ in 10 or more seasons(possibly starting this year)...which is crazy
What is crazy is saying his drive will be more than Yzerman and Sakic. Crosby may be great, he may play a long time. We can speculate about how many points he gets in a season and in his career. But stating that he will have more drive than Sakic or Yzerman is mental. Maybe say Crosby will play AS determined as Sakic and Yzerman but MORE determined? How does a player play more determined than Yzerman?

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he could but that makes it tough to compare to Crosby's 3rd pro season seeing as how he hasn't played it yet
Yeah, even though Gretzky was a 17 year old and couldn't play in the NHL let's count that as an NHL season so Crosby looks better.

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I don't think it's totally unrealistic...the thing with Sid..he may never do what Gretz did with 205,208, 212 and 215 or even Mario with 199 and 160 in 60 games....

BUT Sid may regularily put up 160 points...and I think he's gonna have that Mark Messier type longevity....outside of injury his drive will be greater then that of Sakic or Yzerman with greater skill as well...he'll get the most out himself for the longest time possible and that may not mean 200 four times or even once...but it may mean 150+ in 10 or more seasons(possibly starting this year)...which is crazy
i think it's realistic he could approach or break some points records. the NHL is changing drastically, and crosby may get better and better. if he were to have played this whole season at his current PPG he would score 140 points this year. it wasn't too long ago the NHL's leading scorer couldn't even hit 100 points. who's to say crosby won't get on a crazy hot streak later this year and end up with over 150 points.

the game is changing, and if the style of play and crosby can find a synergy like Gretzky did in the 80's, who knows what could happen.

man, listen to me, i can't even stand the whiny brat.

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01-10-2007, 08:11 PM
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I'd like to see Crosby with a sniping winger to play with.

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isn't there a sticky for all crosby talking?

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which could lead to some of Gretz records being broken...
Good point actually. I didnt notice that when I typed my comment.

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Yeah, even though Gretzky was a 17 year old and couldn't play in the NHL let's count that as an NHL season so Crosby looks better.
Is the difference between an older 17 yr old and a young 18 yr old really that much? He was playing for a team that was arguably NHL calibre and it was his first pro team. I'm not saying anyone is better than anyone but it is certainly an apt comparison with an appropriate sample size.

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01-10-2007, 08:16 PM
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call me again when crosby scored 215 points.

gretzky is the greatest

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yah like imagine Crosby with someone like Heatley...now realize that his linemates are 1/4 as good...if Sid had someone 1/2 as good...

like just a decent winger...

just find Pat Verbeek(alright I know he had over 500 career goals, but you get what I mean)

This winger doesn't even need to be Glen Murray....just a decent 2nd line winger

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yah like imagine Crosby with someone like Heatley...now realize that his linemates are 1/4 as good...if Sid had someone 1/2 as good...

like just a decent winger...

just find Pat Verbeek(alright I know he had over 500 career goals, but you get what I mean)

This winger doesn't even need to be Glen Murray....just a decent 2nd line winger
Malkin is playing with him alot isn't he? I thought Malkin was the second coming? I guess he isn't even a 2nd line winger.

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call me again when crosby scored 215 points.

gretzky is the greatest
Call me when Crosby plays in the defense be damned 80s.

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Crosby putting up Lemieux type numbers? Yeah sure.

But niether have or will never touch Gretzky's....

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People fail to realize Gretzky won't remain the "best" player, someone will overpass him, whether it be next year or 10 years from now.

Sidney Crosby is more than just special, he is great. Don't be suprised by the time Sidney Crosby reaches the age of 24-26, he just might surpass Gretzky's 200+ point season.

But, don't be suprised if he doesn't either.

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