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01-10-2007, 10:24 PM
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does anybody think that if sid can stay healthy and plays long enough he can break wayne's all time points record.
Hmmm...define "long enough"

Like, for example, Chris Chelios has sure been in the league long enough......

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01-10-2007, 10:27 PM
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Hmmm...define "long enough"

Like, for example, Chris Chelios has sure been in the league long enough......
He's been in the league more than long enough

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Hmmm...define "long enough"

Like, for example, Chris Chelios has sure been in the league long enough......
yeah and i think it would take that kind of longevity to break gretzky's record. wayne was like 1.92 ppg, and he played 20 years. 2857 points might be untochable.

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01-10-2007, 10:28 PM
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yeah and i think it would take that kind of longevity to break gretzky's record. wayne was like 1.92 ppg, and he played 20 years. 2857 points might be untochable.
Someone HAS to break it eventually.

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01-10-2007, 10:32 PM
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duh, it says "crosby" in the title
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01-10-2007, 10:34 PM
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Like someone already said, in order for Crosby to break records, he needs to be on a more skilled team, plain and simple. I don't see it happening with the team he's on right now, he's just going to put up tremendous numbers, that's all.

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01-10-2007, 10:37 PM
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Someone HAS to break it eventually.
How you figure?

Why does someone "Have" to break it?

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01-10-2007, 10:39 PM
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How you figure?

Why does someone "Have" to break it?
I can't see Gretzky holding it forever, someone is going to come around one day who is just so good that even in the NHL he's going to skate circles around everyone and score like 5 a game. He can't hold it for the whole time the NHL is around.

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01-10-2007, 10:40 PM
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Why not put in Gretzky's 2nd NHL season which he started at 19 years old? 2.05 PPG.
He played in the WHA his first season which was a watered down league, I think it's a fair adjustment. Heck if you wanted to you can just look at Lemieux's then if you don't like the Gretzky comparison.

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I don't think it's totally unrealistic...the thing with Sid..he may never do what Gretz did with 205,208, 212 and 215 or even Mario with 199 and 160 in 60 games....

BUT Sid may regularily put up 160 points...and I think he's gonna have that Mark Messier type longevity....outside of injury his drive will be greater then that of Sakic or Yzerman with greater skill as well...he'll get the most out himself for the longest time possible and that may not mean 200 four times or even once...but it may mean 150+ in 10 or more seasons(possibly starting this year)...which is crazy
I agree here.

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call me again when crosby scored 215 points.

gretzky is the greatest
That's a killer Gretzky year, a normal one would probably be a little bit lower, like 160.

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People fail to realize Gretzky won't remain the "best" player, someone will overpass him, whether it be next year or 10 years from now.

Sidney Crosby is more than just special, he is great. Don't be suprised by the time Sidney Crosby reaches the age of 24-26, he just might surpass Gretzky's 200+ point season.

But, don't be suprised if he doesn't either.
Another stellar quote.

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The game WILL change down the road and 2857 could possibly seem like nothing, somebody will break his records. Crosby won't, the game hasn't yet changed THAT much.

Will anybody lap the competition like Gretzky did, who knows, that's the true measure of his greatness. Scoring 200 points while 2nd place got 120. Crosby doesn't need to get 215 points to be better than Gretzky, he just has to dominate at the same relative level. Which I don't think he'll do.

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01-10-2007, 10:42 PM
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I can't see Gretzky holding it forever, someone is going to come around one day who is just so good that even in the NHL he's going to skate circles around everyone and score like 5 a game. He can't hold it for the whole time the NHL is around.
Yeah, but by that same token, someday that new record is going to have to fall too. I can't see any player being able to put up an average of 3 points a night in todays NHL, which is pretty much what in would take to outpoint Gretzky. It doesn't mean that nobody will ever be on/close to Gretzky's level, its just a different game now.


....Unless they go to the supersize nets. Then all bets are off

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01-10-2007, 10:42 PM
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I can't see Gretzky holding it forever, someone is going to come around one day who is just so good that even in the NHL he's going to skate circles around everyone and score like 5 a game. He can't hold it for the whole time the NHL is around.
I agree all of Gretzkys records will eventualy be broken. It's just that none of us might not wittness it. All you need is someone to be a better scorer then Gretzky.

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01-10-2007, 10:44 PM
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I agree all of Gretzkys records will eventualy be broken. It's just that none of us might not wittness it. All you need is someone to be a better scorer then Gretzky.
This is very true, because it could take 100 years to break it.

And @ that over-sized nets comment. I hope not.

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01-10-2007, 10:45 PM
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Is the difference between an older 17 yr old and a young 18 yr old really that much?
Well, since a single week is enough to disqualify Hawerchuk being 18 years old in Crosby fanboi eyes...

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does anybody think that if sid can stay healthy and plays long enough he can break wayne's all time points record.
Only if he can score 100 points in his 35-40 years. If he can't keep up in his prime (and as good as Crosby is, the style of the game today just wont allow it) he will really need to keep it up in his twilight years.

He'd also need a handful 150+ seasons to make it feasable to begin with. I think he's capable of it but its one big mountain to climb. Is it possible, yes, is it likely, no.

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No record has to be broken. Mosienko's fastest hat trick, Hall's consecutive starts, etc... Some records are untouchable. Not saying Gretzky's is, but it's foolish to say it isn't.

How's this...

Crosby could score enough points so Gretzky doesn't have more assists than anyone else has points.

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01-10-2007, 11:09 PM
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No record has to be broken. Mosienko's fastest hat trick, Hall's consecutive starts, etc... Some records are untouchable. Not saying Gretzky's is, but it's foolish to say it isn't.

How's this...

Crosby could score enough points so Gretzky doesn't have more assists than anyone else has points.
Yea, those kind of records can only go so far, because of time. Points... Common', it can be done. As for the last comment, I can see Crosby doing it. I don't see him being the one to break Gretzky's point record though.

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01-10-2007, 11:23 PM
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Yea, those kind of records can only go so far, because of time. Points... Common', it can be done. As for the last comment, I can see Crosby doing it. I don't see him being the one to break Gretzky's point record though.
The Oilers as a team scored OVER 400 goals, thats never happening in our lifetimes again. Thats 100 more than ottawa last year.

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01-10-2007, 11:25 PM
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The Oilers as a team scored OVER 400 goals, thats never happening in our lifetimes again. Thats 100 more than ottawa last year.
Oilers could do it again if they picked up Crosby or Ovech

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I can definitely see Crosby with 170+ point seasons.

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It is doable but highly unlikely. I don't see Sid putting up numbers close to Gretz and Mario at their peak. To do it he will have to play until he was past 40 and age better than Joe Sakic. He would have to be absolutely durable, be more consistent than Jagr and less injury prone than Yzerman. Stevie Y would have had at least 2000 points if he had stayed healthier and he is a player that only has 3 seasons with over 110pts. Jagr has missed a ton of games and sucked when he went to Washington or he would be well over 2000 points at 40 and he only had 4 seasons over 110 pts.
The big thing is averaging 75+ games a year to even have a chance. He has elite skills and such players usually have to be hurt to start a rapid decline. Yzerman is, to me, slightly more offensively skilled than Sakic but from 30 on Joe's durability has made him way more effective and he will likey have slightly better final career stats where he was way behind at 29.
It will be interesting to watch. Unless Sid can top 160pts several times consider that 20 consecutive seasons averaging 120 points will leave him over 400pts shy!

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Someone HAS to break it eventually.
Yeah. And eventually there will be a better writer than Shakespeare.

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The game WILL change down the road and 2857 could possibly seem like nothing, somebody will break his records. Crosby won't, the game hasn't yet changed THAT much.

Will anybody lap the competition like Gretzky did, who knows, that's the true measure of his greatness. Scoring 200 points while 2nd place got 120. Crosby doesn't need to get 215 points to be better than Gretzky, he just has to dominate at the same relative level. Which I don't think he'll do.
As soon as the league changes to 4 on 4... then you'll see some scoring.

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interesting stats.....

NHL Goals-per-Game 1979-99 = 6,93
NHL Goals-per-Game 2005-06 = 6,05


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Adjusted numbers:

Crosby

SeasonTeamGamesAdj. GamesGOALSAdj. GASTAdj. ASTPTSAdj. PTS
2005-06PIT818139396361102100
2006-07 (on pace)PIT79 42 89 131  


Gretzky

SeasonTeamGamesAdj. GamesGOALSAdj. GASTAdj. ASTPTSAdj. PTS
1979-80EDM798151438674137117
1980-81EDM8082554310984164127
1981-82EDM8082926812089212157
1982-83EDM80827158125103196161
1983-84EDM7476877011894205164
1984-85EDM80827360135109208169
1985-86EDM80825242163130215172
1986-87EDM79816253121104183157
1987-88EDM6466403410993149127
1988-89LA7880544611496168142
1989-90LA7375403410288142122
1990-91LA78804138122112163150
1991-92LA747631289081121109
1992-93LA4544161349406553
1993-94LA817938359286130121
1994-95LA4882111937654884
1995-96STL80802322797710299
1996-97NYR82822526727697102
1997-98NYR82822327677890105
1998-99NYR707091053616271
Total 148715448947691963174028572509


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