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My only issue is that there isn't a team in the last few years that has won a cup with a boneifide (sp?) #1 centerman the last few years...
You know, I would have agreed 100% with your point up until recently, when someone pointed out that there have been several teams that made the Finals in recent years without a true #1 center. Specifically, Buffalo in '99 (ironically, with Peca), and both the Ducks and NJD last spring. Joe Nieuwendyk and Adam Oates were top-tier centers for many years, but not anymore.
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When is Fischer scheduled back? I actually think if Peca were to be moved to Ottawa that a deal involving Fischer+ may be more plausible than a Bonk for Peca trade. Why? Because, while I like the intangibles that Peca would bring to the Sens, one would really have to question if Spezza is ready to be a #1 center for a Cup team. (I don't). Likewise, White certainly isn't the answer, and neither Peca or Fischer are #1 centers either.
But if you could somehow have Bonk, Spezza and Peca down the middle, that would be sweeeeeet. (Move Smolinski to LW.) This assumes, of course, that your new owner is willing to dish out the $$$.
And, of course, it depends on which direction NYI wants to go. Bonk is obviously an established talent, but he is not going to save NYI much in payroll.
Fischer actually has a little bit of Peca in him, from what I've seen, though he clearly is not as experienced. He could slot in nicely behind Yashin and Scatchard.
OK :p :
Peca ($4.2M)
Niinimaa ($2.9)
Fischer ($.95M)
Volchenkov ($1M)
Sens upgrade with in-their-prime veterans at center and on the backline for the playoffs, as well as the next several seasons. Isles get younger, cheaper talent. Volchenkov is a lot to give up, but you know the old saying....
Aside from the talent involved, the $$$ exchange may not be realistic for Ottawa. Don't see any "salary dump" candidates on the Sens roster that NYI could take on to help even out the dollars.
You know, I would have agreed 100% with your point up until recently, when someone pointed out that there have been several teams that made the Finals in recent years without a true #1 center. Specifically, Buffalo in '99 (ironically, with Peca), and both the Ducks and NJD last spring. Joe Nieuwendyk and Adam Oates were top-tier centers for many years, but not anymore.
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When is Fischer scheduled back? I actually think if Peca were to be moved to Ottawa that a deal involving Fischer+ may be more plausible than a Bonk for Peca trade. Why? Because, while I like the intangibles that Peca would bring to the Sens, one would really have to question if Spezza is ready to be a #1 center for a Cup team. (I don't). Likewise, White certainly isn't the answer, and neither Peca or Fischer are #1 centers either.
But if you could somehow have Bonk, Spezza and Peca down the middle, that would be sweeeeeet. (Move Smolinski to LW.) This assumes, of course, that your new owner is willing to dish out the $$$.
And, of course, it depends on which direction NYI wants to go. Bonk is obviously an established talent, but he is not going to save NYI much in payroll.
Fischer actually has a little bit of Peca in him, from what I've seen, though he clearly is not as experienced. He could slot in nicely behind Yashin and Scatchard.
OK :p :
Peca ($4.2M)
Niinimaa ($2.9)
Fischer ($.95M)
Volchenkov ($1M)
Sens upgrade with in-their-prime veterans at center and on the backline for the playoffs, as well as the next several seasons. Isles get younger, cheaper talent. Volchenkov is a lot to give up, but you know the old saying....
Aside from the talent involved, the $$$ exchange may not be realistic for Ottawa. Don't see any "salary dump" candidates on the Sens roster that NYI could take on to help even out the dollars.
The thing about Fisher is that we're basically be paying an extra 3.2 million dollars to get an older model of Fisher. Peca would give us an added element of grit, physical play, heart and leadership, but Fisher is huge in that sense. I almost think dealing Fisher for Peca would be counter-active. We really don't gain enough to make it worth the money and age difference. Fisher is a bigger, faster and in all likelihood more talented version of Peca, although he's not there yet.
As for Niniimaa for Volchenkov, it's hard to see this working out, because this would put Rachunek on the third pairing, which would limit his powerplay minutes and ice time in general. Also, Ninimaa doesn't give us anything Rachunek doesn't give us at a cheaper, younger level as well. Rachunek's not as good, but again, it's not worth it really.
It's tough. Unlike trade proposals, this is interesting becasue it is a legit, concrete rumour. I guess we'll have to see.
I like this deal too. The sens would be losing some offensive help but Bonk is pretty much useless in the playoffs. ( up until last year where he was pretty decent)
He is in his contract year and with a pending lockout, Bonk probably wont return.. so we might as well take advantage of Peca's availablity for a playoff run.
Get this deal through, Mucks!
Bonk has had two fairly strong playoffs. And I guess since Phillips has only had two strong playoffs we should get rid of him too.....
Bob McKeinze was a very reliable source of information about trade talks when the Isles originally obtained Peca and Yashin. I've also found him to be reasonably conservative - he doesn't say things without a source. So, I would consider these to be very reliable insights.
Who knows! Maybe he will wind up with Toronto after all. I see that as highly unlikely, but at this point, anything can happen.
I would like to first emphasis the first point - Bob doesn't say anything without a decent source - so this isn't a Garrioch donut dream, this is a live possibility.
Second, on the "who knows" and "anything can happen" that is so true with Mad Mike involved. He will likely do something, it might be quite stupid or even clever, and it will be hard to guess since he does so much that makes no sense.
Speaking from a Sens pov, Bonk for Peca needs something extra for the Sens due to the age and salary advantages the Sens are giving up.
So my guess:
Senators: Peca & Bates (0 points in last 6 games) & 2nd
Islanders: Bonk & Schastlivy (a dump, not to add value to the Islanders) & 4th
Note I really don't care what anybody thinks about this (good, bad, you wouldn't do it, you love it, glad you're not the GM, never happen etc.) though feel free to chime in - this is just my guess that I'm putting on record here.
TSN reported last night that Maple Leafs GM John Ferguson Jr. called his Islander counterpart Mike Milbury about the 29-year-old centre. Another source said Ferguson bristled when Milbury wanted Stajan included in any deal.
So my guess:
Senators: Peca & Bates (0 points in last 6 games) & 2nd
Islanders: Bonk & Schastlivy (a dump, not to add value to the Islanders) & 4th
Note I really don't care what anybody thinks about this (good, bad, you wouldn't do it, you love it, glad you're not the GM, never happen etc.) though feel free to chime in - this is just my guess that I'm putting on record here.
What should really happen:
New GM for Islanders.
nyi pk has been a team strength the last few yrs with Peca,Bates,Lapointe and Blake the best penalty killers.
this trade will have them lose two key pkers, after losing Lapointe at last yr's trade deadline.
I like the idea of a Bonk-Peca swap. That said, if Muckler makes the deal straight-up, I'll be disappointed. Many have pointed out that Bonk has marginally higher trade value, based on a few factors. Nothing major, but the difference is there. Milbury seems more motivated in making a move, and I would like to see Muckler capitalize on it by getting something thrown in, like a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
It may not seem massively significant to get a draft pick thrown in, but to me, it's a good way to evaluate how strong a negotiator a GM is if he can get extra trade assets thrown in by being opportunistic.
I'd also want to see Muckler get Milbury to cover the difference in salary this year. Again, not that significant, but he may as well if he can, as it will give us a bit more breathing room if any more additions need to be made at the deadline (like adding more scoring due to Bonk's absence).
McKenzie, if you heard him, didn't (I don't think) use a good source in naming Bonk. I THINK that came from various rumours he had heard, combined with knowledge that Peca might be on the block. I didn't get the impression that Bonk was a name he got from anyone, but simply the name that a) made sense to him, and b) was in a few of the rumours.
But this was no Lindros anouncement, but was as flaky as McKenzie gets....
Bob McKeinze was a very reliable source of information about trade talks when the Isles originally obtained Peca and Yashin. I've also found him to be reasonably conservative - he doesn't say things without a source. So, I would consider these to be very reliable insights.
Who knows! Maybe he will wind up with Toronto after all. I see that as highly unlikely, but at this point, anything can happen.
Here's how I read Big Head Bob's column:
There is SPECULATION that the Islanders MIGHT shakeup the team with a trade IF they lose tonight. Peca MIGHT be the one to be traded because he is stuggling. IF he is going to be shopped around the Senators MIGHT jump in.
That's an awful lot of IFs.
Plus in one sentance he basically says Peca isn't necessarily who may go then he says there's scuttlebutt that there's a Sens/Isles deal in the works?
Sounds more like information gleaned from one of the proposals on here than concrete information.
TSN reported last night that Maple Leafs GM John Ferguson Jr. called his Islander counterpart Mike Milbury about the 29-year-old centre. Another source said Ferguson bristled when Milbury wanted Stajan included in any deal.
For all the offensive talent Ottawa has had over the years, they have never translated regular season success to post season success.
I think it's inevitable that the Senators trade some skill for grit if they are to advance further in the playoffs than they have in the past.
Bonk would be a heavy price to pay to get Peca, but I think Michael is the type of player that the Senators need when it comes to the postseason.
hefty price, but the question that comes is do the Senators think they can win it all this season? I think they can, and would Peca enhance those chances more greatly than Bonk or Havlat? Yes, Probably, and would Peca be happy in Ottawa? Certainly would.
hefty price, but the question that comes is do the Senators think they can win it all this season? I think they can, and would Peca enhance those chances more greatly than Bonk or Havlat? Yes, Probably, and would Peca be happy in Ottawa? Certainly would.
So either of these two work for me
TO Ott-Peca and a 2nd
To NYI-Bonk
To Ott-Peca and a 4th
To NYI-Havlat
From an Ottawa perspective, I jump all over the first one but I wouldn't trade Havlat for Peca. I think Havlat has more trade value than Bonk but that's just MO.
Ottawa is last in the league in faceoffs and needs a heart and soul top 6 forward...I think the first deal makes sense for both teams.
From an Ottawa perspective, I jump all over the first one but I wouldn't trade Havlat for Peca. I think Havlat has more trade value than Bonk but that's just MO.
Ottawa is last in the league in faceoffs and needs a heart and soul top 6 forward...I think the first deal makes sense for both teams.
Well, I dont know if Peca is suited to be a top 6 guy , & as I said in another post;
"Mike Fisher is almost a mirror image of Peca (though he is injury prone).
I cannot see the Sens giving up anything signifigant to get a piece of a puzzle they already kinda have."
Obtaining Bonk and losing Peca would (still) give the Islanders a very good set of centers:
Yashin
Bonk
Scatchard
Yashin & Bonk are not so hot on faceoffs so Scatchy would be needed for that role. All three have good size. Islanders get better offensive production from Bonk than Peca, and still get good D play. One plays wingers that need to get the puck with Bonk, while playing wingers that like to pass with Yashin.
I’m a Sens fan, and I have both doubts and hopes about a Peca deal (can Peca return to previous levels, or will he fade like Zamuner), but if I was an Islanders fan I would make this deal as Bonk is a known quantity at this time.
And for the game tonight, expected attendance:
9,000 fans
7,000 scouts
Well, I dont know if Peca is suited to be a top 6 guy , & as I said in another post;
"Mike Fisher is almost a mirror image of Peca (though he is injury prone).
I cannot see the Sens giving up anything signifigant to get a piece of a puzzle they already kinda have."
Fair point...Fisher is a poor man's Peca. The Sens have really missed Fisher so far this year - he is generally the hardes working Senator on most nights. He does seem to miss 20-30 games each year, though.
It seems as though a Peca for Bonk trade has drawn mixed reviews from fans of both teams which suggests to me it's fair. The Sens are deep at centre with Spezza, Smolinski, Fisher, White (who I would much rather trade then Bonk) and Bonk...but who on the Sens could win a key defensive zone faceoff in overtime of a playoff game? Peca is still playing 19 minutes a game this year and I think would be a perfect fit on the second line. He is a premiere penalty killer and shutdown guy. Bonk is very good on the power play and is a good defensive centre. I like it from a Sens point of view but not everyone agrees. There is a definite tradeoff there. Should be interesting to see where the talk on this goes in the next few days.
