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12-02-2003, 05:12 PM
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So just what is a modern day coach?

Because the mentality around here is that they are just frikking GUIDANCE COUNSELORS!

In my veiw a good coach knows how to tweak each individual player in the proper way to get the best results. Every player responds differently to a coaches input, so I feel it's damn important.

A good coach knows how to get his team up for the big games.

A good coach knows how to make players accountable and make them play for each other.

A good coach can turn a mediocre team into BELEIVERS. Beleivers in themselves...........and beleivers in a system. That's right......a SYSTEM.

And no folks, "Let's play chase the loose puck" is NOT a system! Nor is, "If we skate faster than the opposition and lob pucks from anywhere on net we should win".

A good coach knows how to choose his line-up before January and stick with it until it's quite obvious he's going backwards.........not 10 minutes after a game starts when things don't go EXACTLY as planned. A good coach allows enough time for linemates to get used to each other. A good coach thinks long and hard before he makes these decisions........because in a perfect world, he's going to go with it for more than 1-2 games.

It just bugs me how people say it's ALL the PLAYERS fault when the team is faultering. So if the player won't listen to the coach.........it's the players fault for playing poorly. True enough........but WHY isn't the player listening to the coach? (THIS IS A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION) Why doesn't the coach have the respect of his players enough to follow instructions? I don't know..........should we ask the coach? Apparently not.............because he's just a guidance counsellor today.

If a school "class average" is low because they don't listen.......should it be ALL the students fault that they don't listen? Well that's the simpletons answer. But wouldn't the school board or principal want to dig a little DEEPER to find out WHY the students won't listen or don't care? I damn well would hope so. To just throw your hands in the air and say, "the low average is all the kids fault" is narrow minded and foolish. Certainly it's not ALL the teachers fault. But come on people......get serious already.

There is often a reason for certain behaivior. Perhaps accountabilty. Perhaps fear of being embarrased in front of the classmates.....who knows? Good teachers have their own ways of making students listen and be accountable. So do good coaches.

Everyone hates Keenan. Go look at his win/loss record. The teacher I feared/hated the most in school, helped me get the best marks ever. This doesn't mean that this approach to the student behind me in class was gonna work though. After that most successful year of school, I had the utmost respect for the guy and fought to get back into his classes.

How many times have we seen a struggling team replace the coach and suddenly they resurrect themselves and make the playoffs with ease? What happened there? You're right!!! It's the players! The players played better and were usually more accountable. Why? Perhaps because they respected their coach and his philosophy.

My idea of a good coach is someone that has HIS finger on the pulse of HIS hockey team and has their EARS.

And berate me if you please (DB)...............but you won't convince me that we have that here in Edmonton.

More posters will agree with me by this time next season.......trust me.

You heard it here....

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GREAT POST...

Good anecdotes and i can totally relate. I couldn't agree more...we need someone who can get the best out of our star players and i think simpson can balance the blows to the younger inexperienced players and they too will come around.

Keenan would take us places and there a handful of other coaches looking for jobs that would step in and exceed what MacT has done.

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(Simply nods in concurrence)

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A good coach knows how to get his team up for the big games.
Good post. One ever so minor disagreement here though; yes, a good coach gets his team up for the big games, but the players do it themselves. No one has to tell Smytty to focus and get pumped up when they play the Canucks, or the Divealanche. A good coach will do this anyhow, but a GREAT coach will get the team up for Columbus, Atlanta, Carolina, Pittsburg, et al.

Another thing that concerns me about the EDM bench boss(es) is the number of guys back there. There has got to be conflicting views when you have a head coach and how many assitants (I really don't know the exact number, but I remember the intros one night, and it was like 3 or 4). Get a head coach, an offensive specialist, and a defensive specialist. No need for a bench full of coaches; you are just going to confuse the players.

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Good post. One ever so minor disagreement here though; yes, a good coach gets his team up for the big games, but the players do it themselves. No one has to tell Smytty to focus and get pumped up when they play the Canucks, or the Divealanche. A good coach will do this anyhow, but a GREAT coach will get the team up for Columbus, Atlanta, Carolina, Pittsburg, et al.

Another thing that concerns me about the EDM bench boss(es) is the number of guys back there. There has got to be conflicting views when you have a head coach and how many assitants (I really don't know the exact number, but I remember the intros one night, and it was like 3 or 4). Get a head coach, an offensive specialist, and a defensive specialist. No need for a bench full of coaches; you are just going to confuse the players.
Yes it's looking a little crowded isn't it?

Although I haven't seen as much of Moores. Maybe he's not standing on his apple crate anymore.

But there's Moores, Simpson, MacT, Ken Lowe and Stafford.

I totally agree with this addition of yours and meant to include it, (thanks), but a GREAT coach will get the team up for Columbus, Atlanta, Carolina, Pittsburg, et al.

Thanks for the feed back.

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It just bugs me that it ALL falls at the foot of the players in some posters eyes. True enough......they have to go out and perform accordingly. The coach can't lace up.

But when they don't succeed.......it's outta Mact's hands now suddenly, according to some people here.

Like MacT standing there hands in the air saying, "But guys.......I SAID all the right things..........didn't I?"

Yes Craig.....you said all the right things. It's ALL "indicative" Craig. It's ALL a "by-product" of something Craig.

Say it again Craig.

suckers.....

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Well I will take the bait and answer your rant


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Because the mentality around here is that they are just frikking GUIDANCE COUNSELORS!

In my veiw a good coach knows how to tweak each individual player in the proper way to get the best results. Every player responds differently to a coaches input, so I feel it's damn important.

A good coach knows how to get his team up for the big games.

A good coach knows how to make players accountable and make them play for each other.

A good coach can turn a mediocre team into BELEIVERS. Beleivers in themselves...........and beleivers in a system. That's right......a SYSTEM.
Sounds like a great guy. But let me add this

A good coach knows his player's limitations.

A good coach knows when a player is humping the pooch vs having a bad game

A good coach does the best with what he has.

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It just bugs me how people say it's ALL the PLAYERS fault when the team is faultering. So if the player won't listen to the coach.........it's the players fault for playing poorly. True enough........but WHY isn't the player listening to the coach? (THIS IS A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION) Why doesn't the coach have the respect of his players enough to follow instructions? I don't know..........should we ask the coach? Apparently not.............because he's just a guidance counsellor today.
Has Lemaire become a bad coach now? Since his team is losing, that means he has lost the respect of his players and they are just not listening...right?


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If a school "class average" is low because they don't listen.......should it be ALL the students fault that they don't listen? Well that's the simpletons answer. But wouldn't the school board or principal want to dig a little DEEPER to find out WHY the students won't listen or don't care? I damn well would hope so. To just throw your hands in the air and say, "the low average is all the kids fault" is narrow minded and foolish. Certainly it's not ALL the teachers fault. But come on people......get serious already.
A good teacher doesn't start off with Calculus in grade 1. They know that their students have to be brought along slowly to build up their confidence so they can reach their potential. A good teacher also knows that not all of them will be surgeons or rocket scientists. Some turn out to be AHL'ers or worse.


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Everyone hates Keenan. Go look at his win/loss record.
The Hockey News had a great article right after he was fired, again. It basically said Buyer Beware. For every Joe Thornton you get a Boumeester. A kid that blossoms under him and one that withers. For every Roenick you get a Shanahan. A player that loves him and one that hates him.

I recommend reading it


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More posters will agree with me by this time next season.......trust me.

You heard it here....
I doubt it.

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Whatever happened to your goofy, obsurd, "feel-good, smell the daisies along the way, and embrace the lovely hockey club" posts?

It seems like your only objective these days is to inform me that I'm always 100% wrong.

I couldn't be any happier about your last comment though.

"I doubt it."

exceeelllleeeeent........we'll be talking again HOZ.

Only time will tell.

I'm pretty confident.

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Has Lemaire become a bad coach now? Since his team is losing, that means he has lost the respect of his players and they are just not listening...right?

I just knew you would resort to being ridiculous HOZ. What other alternative would you have.....right?

I can't even name another player on that team besides Gaborik. Oh yeah....Willie Mitchell.

I have a hunch that Lemaire is doing his job sufficiently.

How about that guy in Tampa? John Tortellashell? Any beleivers on that team?

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Because the mentality around here is that they are just frikking GUIDANCE COUNSELORS!

In my veiw a good coach knows how to tweak each individual player in the proper way to get the best results. Every player responds differently to a coaches input, so I feel it's damn important.
Did you know that you can train a labrat to instinctively know how to maneuvre through a maze from start to finish at the fastest route, but the second you put it under any mental pressure (i.e. put a cat in with it), it's performance radically changes, either for better or worse?

You can hammer it into someones head how to do something, or you could have them at their absolute best, but it doesn't mean that when the time comes to perform, they won't mess up, or they won't make bad decisions.

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A good coach knows how to get his team up for the big games.
Explain something to me...

You get paid $1M+, and you need someone who played 15 years ago to get you pumped up and excited over a game? Or a game against a division rival, or against a team who has beaten you 11 out of the last 14 games? If you need someone to "get you up" for these games, someone messed up big time when they were judging your character.

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A good coach knows how to make players accountable and make them play for each other.
What hint have you gotten that these guys don't play for each other? There has been benchings, bag skates, probably more than a few ***** sessions... other than a public flogging and/or execution, what more is there to do to make a player accountable (taking budget restrictions into account)?

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A good coach can turn a mediocre team into BELEIVERS. Beleivers in themselves...........and beleivers in a system. That's right......a SYSTEM.
When the team is winning, everyone beleives in the system. 2 weeks ago everyone loved the fast skating Oilers, and their offensive production. Now the players suddenly don't beleive? They out-played both the Avalanch and the Sharks, and lost. They are winless in 5, but in that time, they were out-played (effort wise) once. That isn't the sign of a team who doesn't beleive, it is the sign of a team who isn't executing, which is a big difference. If this team was losing like they were, but getting massively out-shot and out-chanced, then you may have a point, but they aren't. They are controlling the play, but they aren't finishing. That isn't the system, that is the player.

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And no folks, "Let's play chase the loose puck" is NOT a system! Nor is, "If we skate faster than the opposition and lob pucks from anywhere on net we should win".
Because I am sure Mac-T's whole offensive philosophy is "lob the puck at the goalie". The Oilers right now pannic. They pannic on the PK, on the PP, and when they are having trouble scoring. Instead of killing the penalty, we have 2 forwards leaving the zone before the puck is even cleared. That isn't the system, that is forwards making very poor decisions. The defenceman chasing the puck carrier into the corner and leaving a man open out front isn't the system, it is the defenceman making a very poor decision.

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A good coach knows how to choose his line-up before January and stick with it until it's quite obvious he's going backwards.........not 10 minutes after a game starts when things don't go EXACTLY as planned. A good coach allows enough time for linemates to get used to each other. A good coach thinks long and hard before he makes these decisions........because in a perfect world, he's going to go with it for more than 1-2 games.
We had a coach like that... his name was Ron Low. Remember him? "Oh, we are losing 2-0 10 minutes in, let's just ride it out. Damn, 3rd period, it's still 2-0, better try and change now. Oh well, game over, we lost 2-1." There is nothing wrong with being proactive. Then according to you, the next time Mac-T comes out with a lineup, you won't criticize it if he leaves it for 10 games, no matter what. There are 200 GM's on this board who can't even decide what they think the lineup should be from one day to the next. Horcoff is in the lineup... according to you, that should be okay because he is waiting for it to show he is going backwards.

This isn't Colorado, where they can be mediocre for 42 games, then turn it on and blow past everyone with all their talent. The Oilers can't afford to be 15 points back in January. This team has to go with the mentality that they need to win the very next shift, nevermind the game. There were only a handful of teams who had a leading scorer with less points than Edmonton's top scorer. This team does not have an abundance of top line talent. Nor does it have that guy who can take a game by the horns consistantly. They need 2 or 3 or 4 lines playing at a high level to win. In order to do that, you need to make changes as you go along.

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It just bugs me how people say it's ALL the PLAYERS fault when the team is faultering. So if the player won't listen to the coach.........it's the players fault for playing poorly. True enough........but WHY isn't the player listening to the coach? (THIS IS A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION) Why doesn't the coach have the respect of his players enough to follow instructions? I don't know..........should we ask the coach? Apparently not.............because he's just a guidance counsellor today.
The players are on the ice. The players make a decision. The players move the puck. You cannot teach instinctive decision making. Whether you should hammer it off the glass, or flip it up high and out, or whether you should wind up to slap it out, skate all the way to the puck and force it out. It has nothing to do with the player not listening to the coach, because it isn't the same mistakes being made. It isn't that the penalty killers are too aggressive, or too passive, it's that they continually make the wrong decisions. That isn't coaching, that is playing. When the defenceman is at the point with his stick along the boards, that is when you need to be aggressive. When the puck carrier is standing in the corner waiting for a man to get open, you can't have 3 guys after him. I mean, I can't beleive that the Oilers made a completely drastic change to the pk to the point where it is significantly worse than last year. The only major change is a player or two who made a lot more correct decisions while out there than wrong ones.

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If a school "class average" is low because they don't listen.......should it be ALL the students fault that they don't listen? Well that's the simpletons answer. But wouldn't the school board or principal want to dig a little DEEPER to find out WHY the students won't listen or don't care? I damn well would hope so. To just throw your hands in the air and say, "the low average is all the kids fault" is narrow minded and foolish. Certainly it's not ALL the teachers fault. But come on people......get serious already.
You are comparing children to adults, which is unrealistic. The very basic principle is similar, but the circumstances are completely different.

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There is often a reason for certain behaivior. Perhaps accountabilty. Perhaps fear of being embarrased in front of the classmates.....who knows? Good teachers have their own ways of making students listen and be accountable. So do good coaches.
And what is being accountable? Would it make you feel better if Mac-T singled out players after every game? It isn't like the team is getting dominated in every aspect. They have played very well the past two games, firing 70+ shots on the net but just 2 goals. They dominated the sharks out-shooting them 15-1 in the first period, but came out tied 1-1. That isn't coaching, that is bad luck, and failure to execute.

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Everyone hates Keenan. Go look at his win/loss record. The teacher I feared/hated the most in school, helped me get the best marks ever. This doesn't mean that this approach to the student behind me in class was gonna work though. After that most successful year of school, I had the utmost respect for the guy and fought to get back into his classes.
Keenan also can't hold a job... if he was such a great coach, he wouldn't be out of work every 2-3 years. He may have a great short term effect, but what good is that?

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How many times have we seen a struggling team replace the coach and suddenly they resurrect themselves and make the playoffs with ease? What happened there? You're right!!! It's the players! The players played better and were usually more accountable. Why? Perhaps because they respected their coach and his philosophy.
Define struggling. Out of the last 5 years, how many teams have comeback from being seriously out of a playoff race to making the playoffs after they had a new coach? I honestly can't think of any right off the top of my head, and I would venture the answer isn't more than one or two. Sometimes it is simply a kick in the ass because the players feel guilty that they cost their coach a job. I wonder how many players in the past few years have blamed the coach for the teams troubles after the coach got fired? I am going to be not many.

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My idea of a good coach is someone that has HIS finger on the pulse of HIS hockey team and has their EARS.
So suddenly out of nowhere, no one is listening to Mac-T? I mean, last 2 weeks ago the Oilers were this fantastic machine, and everyone was on the same page. Now, a 5 game winless skid later and Mac-T has lost the room. There was a huge article in the Toronto Sun last year about how Mac-T had lost the room, and the team still finished 13 points up on their closest chaser.

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And berate me if you please (DB)...............but you won't convince me that we have that here in Edmonton.
And you have done nothing but use vague speculation. In watching most of the games, most of the problems are a result of bad decisions, or bad excecution. That to me isn't coaching. It would be coaching if the same situations and problems are arising over and over and over again, and the players are making what "the coach's system" says is the right decisions. I can't honestly beleive this is the case, because quite frankly, there is no one that stupid. When you have an average fan questioning the thought process of a player after a stupid play, you can be sure that the coach isn't sitting there saying "You did it right, they just beat us".

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More posters will agree with me by this time next season.......trust me.
People have been calling for Mac-T's head on and off since his first season. This isn't anything new, nor will it stop anytime soon. It is always easiest for fans to blame the following in hockey:

1. The coach
2. The goalie
3. The highest paid player
4. The 4th line plugger who is using ice they feel is better off suited to some prospect they have heard about but never, or rarely seen.

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You heard it here....
I've heard it everywhere.

Blaming the coach is an excuse, and a poor one at that. There is barely a coach in pro sports anymore that lasts more than 5 seasons in the same position. Does that mean there aren't any good coaches in pro sports? The easiest person to blame is the coach, and that is always why they are the first one to get the fingers pointed at them.


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What a surprise. The dawgbone "school of high hockey knowledge' is on the scene to make everything right and take me to school again.

How phucking predictable is that?

It's like nobody can come on here with an opinion without going through the mandatory "Dawgbone school of upper hockey knowledge" and a LONG WINDED DISECTION of their post. I'm pretty sure it wears on alot of posters. Especially when most of what you are serving up is a bunch of recycled hot air. Tiresome. And it's rarely that we are partly wrong.........we're just always COMPLETELY wrong.

Tell me something.......are you related to Craig MacTavish or something? Because the guy can NEVER do anything wrong in your eyes. It's like he's your god or something. What, did he give you an autographed hockey stick or something?

I'm calling you out to dig up ONE post were you said something REMOTELY negative about MacT. It's like he's bloody perfect or something. Just ONE comment. Nobody is perfect Dawgbone. That's right................not even you.

You seem like a pretty smart guy Dawgbone. But your blind love (that's right) for coach MacT is so blatantly obvious that I'm almost embarrassed for you.

I can accept that you disagree. But do you ALWAYS feel a need to treat other posters like they have only been watching hockey for only a month?

Again, tiresome and very predictable.

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What a surprise. The dawgbone "school of high hockey knowledge' is on the scene to make everything right and take me to school again.

How phucking predictable is that?

It's like nobody can come on here with an opinion without going through the mandatory "Dawgbone school of upper hockey knowledge" and a LONG WINDED DISECTION of their post. I'm pretty sure it wears on alot of posters. Especially when most of what you are serving up is a bunch of recycled hot air. Tiresome. And it's rarely that we are partly wrong.........we're just always COMPLETELY wrong.

Tell me something.......are you related to Craig MacTavish or something? Because the guy can NEVER do anything wrong in your eyes. It's like he's your god or something. What, did he give you an autographed hockey stick or something?

I'm calling you out to dig up ONE post were you said something REMOTELY negative about MacT. It's like he's bloody perfect or something. Just ONE comment. Nobody is perfect Dawgbone. That's right................not even you.

You seem like a pretty smart guy Dawgbone. But your blind love (that's right) for coach MacT is so blatantly obvious that I'm almost embarrassed for you.

I can accept that you disagree. But do you ALWAYS feel a need to treat other posters like they have only been watching hockey for only a month?

Again, tiresome and very predictable.
Awwwww, dawgbone didn't agree with g2k.

Suck it up you big baby. This board is meant for posters with differing opinions. Would you rather everyone agreed with you everytime??

What makes you right?? That you ramble on, or that you're so hardcore that you'll type phucking???

If you're so right, prove him wrong.

Or you could just throw in some personal attacks again instead.

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Awwwww, dawgbone didn't agree with g2k.

Suck it up you big baby. This board is meant for posters with differing opinions. Would you rather everyone agreed with you everytime??

What makes you right?? That you ramble on, or that you're so hardcore that you'll type phucking???

If you're so right, prove him wrong.

Or you could just throw in some personal attacks again instead.
Stay on the porch......little puppy.

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Hahaha, maybe I PHUCKING will.

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Hahaha, maybe I PHUCKING will.
Yeah.....I know.

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Ok...

G2K is right fellas or at least in my mind. MacT knows the game but struggles to get the finer points across to some of his payers...the important ones.

Last year i was all for signing a MacT extension, even though many were calling for his head. The main reason was although we weren't scoring we had talent coming up through the system. I thought give MacT a couple years to preach his defensive game and when all is said and done the current all-stars will be coherant vets and the youngsters will be responsible at both ends.

Problem is this year our PK is ranked at 27th. This tells me that although MacT was a strong defensive presence in his day the team was feeding off Machants two-way game and his ability to teach the PK...although i know that will improve in time to about 15-18...MacT or no MacT.

Next thing i want to bring up is face-offs. I was under the conception that MacT was a key face-off guy for most of his career. Taking a face-off can be taught and i don't care what anybody says...you don't even really have to know how skate to win a draw. MacT was good in his day but i am guessing players like Stoll have learned from past coaches. Point is, the Smyth at center ordeal has gone far enough and MacT is just not good at getting his knowledge across to his players.

Offence is not the problem this time around, although it has been of late. But i still feel bringing in somebody who played an offensive minded game and has coaching experience to work with Simpson and maybe Huddy is in our best interests. Moores was to blaim on these boards for the bad PP last year...now we rank 30th, i sure hope that is not an improvement in you eyes. It is time for him to go. I think i have explained the two reasons that MacT deserves to be canned but the line juggling just tops it off. Simpson should be promoted from "so-called" special teams to an assistant coach and we should bring in at least another assistant and a new head coach to fill the foids. I haven't looked into the situation and i won't bring up Ted Nolan but i do feel a coaching change should be a priority and maybe even above a Comrie deal.

I guess i am just insuring my agreement with G2K and i too feel that by next year the coaching staff will be significantly changed or the seats will be significantly emptier at Rexall Place.


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What a surprise. The dawgbone "school of high hockey knowledge' is on the scene to make everything right and take me to school again.

How phucking predictable is that?

It's like nobody can come on here with an opinion without going through the mandatory "Dawgbone school of upper hockey knowledge" and a LONG WINDED DISECTION of their post. I'm pretty sure it wears on alot of posters. Especially when most of what you are serving up is a bunch of recycled hot air. Tiresome. And it's rarely that we are partly wrong.........we're just always COMPLETELY wrong.

Tell me something.......are you related to Craig MacTavish or something? Because the guy can NEVER do anything wrong in your eyes. It's like he's your god or something. What, did he give you an autographed hockey stick or something?

I'm calling you out to dig up ONE post were you said something REMOTELY negative about MacT. It's like he's bloody perfect or something. Just ONE comment. Nobody is perfect Dawgbone. That's right................not even you.

You seem like a pretty smart guy Dawgbone. But your blind love (that's right) for coach MacT is so blatantly obvious that I'm almost embarrassed for you.

I can accept that you disagree. But do you ALWAYS feel a need to treat other posters like they have only been watching hockey for only a month?

Again, tiresome and very predictable.
This is the exact post that annoys me about people on hear at times. YOu share you opinion - as misguided as I thought it was I read and respect it. DB responds to it with stuff that I generally agree with - and you come back with nothing but personal attacks for him tying to show the other side of the spectrum. You tried to create a witch hunt and he opposed you. He isn't taking you to school - he was mearly responding to your criticism. I echo the sentiments of others - if DB is wrong - prove it to him. Why puss out with a personal attack, to me that just proves your inability to justify your post. One thing to keep in mind in all of this is neither opinion can been proven 100% right or wrong. it is personal opinion and observation. You think MacT is brutal, me and DB disagree. The fact remains MacT is well respected in the hockey community and his value is evident. He was close to going to broadway or even TO before signing with Edmonton. If he is that pathetic why would to of the NHL's more storied franchises be interested in his services?


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Boondock.........it's not so much that he disagrees. Happens all the time here. Not a big deal.

It's the way he likes to talk down to people like he's some mighty hockey god and anyone who has an opinion that differs with his.........he treats like a little naive peasant.

And he's always RIGHT. And NEVER has the nuts to admit when he's wrong. NEVER!

I can at least admit when I'm wrong. When has this guy?

I work with people like this guy and it just sucks when you need an escape on a hockey board and this asswipe is there dissecting every inch of peoples posts and indirectly calling them idiots.

I need to ignore him. It brings out the WORST in me.

I CAN ADMIT THIS.....

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mmmm.... tastes like burning.

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Indeed...

...Sorry G2K but now you are pushing buttons that don't need to be pushed on these boards. You are making things personal and as much as i am in favor of ringing the bells and watching a slugfest i don't think this is the time nor the place...so back off a little man.

There are a number of us that agree with you, me being one of them, and a number of us that agree with Dawgbone. It's not like he has formed a posse on this board with the attempt of cutting you down as a hockey mind.

Different people analyze the game different, thus the quote, "What game we're you watching?"
It just so happens that Dawgbone sees a different game than us but i don't think in any way that he is an asswipe and his Roadrunner opinions are very helpful to the board.

I agree with G2K on the issue of MacT and former Oilers needing to be removed from the present team. KLO is the main, and maybe only one, that belongs in my eyes but then again KLO is calling all the shots right?

I guess i am just singing, "why can't we be friends" in the drunk non-gay fashion. It is 1:20 a.m. in Alberta and we are arguing on a hockey chat board. Seriously chill pills all around...the issue will settle itself and all will be good in time...the future is bright!


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This is the exact post that annoys me about people on hear at times. YOu share you opinion - as misguided as I thought it was I read and respect it. DB responds to it with stuff that I generally agree with - and you come back with nothing but personal attacks for him tying to show the other side of the spectrum. You tried to create a witch hunt and he opposed you. He isn't taking you to school - he was mearly responding to your criticism. I echo the sentiments of others - if DB is wrong - prove it to him. Why puss out with a personal attack, to me that just proves your inability to justify your post. One thing to keep in mind in all of this is neither opinion can been proven 100% right or wrong. it is personal opinion and observation. You think MacT is brutal, me and DB disagree. The fact remains MacT is well respected in the hockey community and his value is evident. He was close to going to broadway or even TO before signing with Edmonton. If he is that pathetic why would to of the NHL's more storied franchises be interested in his services?
Walsher......what the hell are you talking about now? What am I to do now? Repeat my original opinion?

Stand here and say, "I know you are but what am I?" I gave my opinion and (as usual) he dissected it with all his hot air. Quite similar to someone else I'm getting to know here.

You just said, "One thing to keep in mind in all of this is neither opinion can been proven 100% right or wrong. it is personal opinion and observation." Right after you tell me to prove that I'm right. Wow.

Witch hunt? It's my opinion Walsher. I fully expected backlash. I fully expected "hockey god" to trot up, bugle in hand. I guess I didn't think I was going to react the way I did when I seen his reply/dissection that took up HALF the frikkin board page.

I over-reacted.........and I can admit it.

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Sorry everyone.

I just can't stand the guy. I'll need to show more restraint in the future.

And I STILL think McTavish is the WRONG coach for THIS hockey club. (couldn't help it)

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Don't worry G2K, unleash at will, some of us make our reputations on it

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Don't worry G2K, unleash at will, some of us make our reputations on it
No, I need to chill.

It's nice that you can make a point without being interupted mid sentence here. Nothing bothers me more than that. That's the great thing about boards. People don't interupt you and you get a fair chance to make your point.


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True enough, and I can see the point, just don't let experiences like this throw you off making the strong statements you do, the board needs them.

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