Speculation by both Pierre McGuire and Bob McKenzie during the first intermission of the broadcast tonight that if the Islanders lose to the Rangers tomorrow night a shakeup will occur...and they mentionned that the Leafs and Senators would be the 2 primary destinations for Peca if he were to be traded. McKenzie said specifically that Bonk would go the other way.
I often think Bob McKenzie makes up his own trade rumours a la Garrioch but what do you guys think? Personally I would be all over that trade but I suspect some of you wouldn't be as intrigued as I would be.
Speculation by both Pierre McGuire and Bob McKenzie during the first intermission of the broadcast tonight that if the Islanders lose to the Rangers tomorrow night a shakeup will occur...and they mentionned that the Leafs and Senators would be the 2 primary destinations for Peca if he were to be traded. McKenzie said specifically that Bonk would go the other way.
I often think Bob McKenzie makes up his own trade rumours a la Garrioch but what do you guys think? Personally I would be all over that trade but I suspect some of you wouldn't be as intrigued as I would be.
Isles fan I will take it and be quite happy with the deal, but I wouldnt be suprised if Havlat was the guy instead.
Speculation by both Pierre McGuire and Bob McKenzie during the first intermission of the broadcast tonight that if the Islanders lose to the Rangers tomorrow night a shakeup will occur...and they mentionned that the Leafs and Senators would be the 2 primary destinations for Peca if he were to be traded. McKenzie said specifically that Bonk would go the other way.
I often think Bob McKenzie makes up his own trade rumours a la Garrioch but what do you guys think? Personally I would be all over that trade but I suspect some of you wouldn't be as intrigued as I would be.
McKenzie is a reasonable source, but this deal seems unrealistic. I think it favors the Isles. Bonk is better offensively, younger, and less expensive.
Speculation by both Pierre McGuire and Bob McKenzie during the first intermission of the broadcast tonight that if the Islanders lose to the Rangers tomorrow night a shakeup will occur...and they mentionned that the Leafs and Senators would be the 2 primary destinations for Peca if he were to be traded. McKenzie said specifically that Bonk would go the other way.
I often think Bob McKenzie makes up his own trade rumours a la Garrioch but what do you guys think? Personally I would be all over that trade but I suspect some of you wouldn't be as intrigued as I would be.
It's not that I don't trust McKenzie, but I think Bonk for Peca would be slight overpaying on our part. That being said, I love Peca, and he would be a fantastic addition. I'm really not sure what we'd give up, but IMO, Peca would be exactly what we need.
That being said, I'd overpay to keep Peca off the Leafs. I think Peca would be ana amazing addition for us, but he's the type of guy that could give us a lot of trouble as a shut-down guy in the playoffs. Plus, he's a 67s alumni.
Peca is exactly what we need to strengthen our team come playoff time..but is he worth Bonk? I think so... bonk is a good player but he won't provide as much as Peca would in the playoffs.
It's not that I don't trust McKenzie, but I think Bonk for Peca would be slight overpaying on our part. That being said, I love Peca, and he would be a fantastic addition. I'm really not sure what we'd give up, but IMO, Peca would be exactly what we need.
That being said, I'd overpay to keep Peca off the Leafs. I think Peca would be ana amazing addition for us, but he's the type of guy that could give us a lot of trouble as a shut-down guy in the playoffs. Plus, he's a 67s alumni.
Totally agree...Peca would be perfect here. He's the ultimate 3rd line centerman who can step up to the 2nd line if there is an injury and has the BALLS that we've lacked in past years. The thing is that if you give Peca a mission (like go shut down THAT player, he won't quit until it's done) he's arguably the best in the league. Now you go stick him on a line with Varada...and that is the line we need in the playoffs to stick it to another teams top line. Ah...the memories of Varada-Peca...*shudder*.
One thing that came to mind when I heard this was what would happen with the likes of Redden, Phillips, Leshychyn and Alfredsson as the "A's" and "C" of the team...and you bring in a guy like Peca who is most undoubtably and "Alpha Male"???
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Peca is exactly what we need to strengthen our team come playoff time..but is he worth Bonk?
No...I'd be PISSED OFF right straight if we traded Bonk for Peca. Why? Bonk is our #1 centerman for now...and he's more important to the team than Peca could be. Peca can't hold Bonk's jock strap for offensive output right now and Bonk is the quintessential 2nd line centerman where Peca is the quintessential 3rd line centerman.
Bonk is invisible for games quite often...but when he is...what is the output of the oppositions top forwards those games? I'll tell ya one thing...it ain't a heck of a lot. When Bonk isn't producing...neither are the players from the opposition that are on the ice either.
I want Peca really badly...but we'd majorly regret it if we moved Bonk for him, and I don't think that Muckler would do it no matter how much he likes Peca. My take on the whole idea is that it would be a very, very, very big mistake to move Bonk for Peca.
Totally agree...Peca would be perfect here. He's the ultimate 3rd line centerman who can step up to the 2nd line if there is an injury and has the BALLS that we've lacked in past years. The thing is that if you give Peca a mission (like go shut down THAT player, he won't quit until it's done) he's arguably the best in the league. Now you go stick him on a line with Varada...and that is the line we need in the playoffs to stick it to another teams top line. Ah...the memories of Varada-Peca...*shudder*.
One thing that came to mind when I heard this was what would happen with the likes of Redden, Phillips, Leshychyn and Alfredsson as the "A's" and "C" of the team...and you bring in a guy like Peca who is most undoubtably and "Alpha Male"???
For the Alpha Male idea, Peca would be a lot easier to fit in to the group than a guy like Messier. I think guys like Alfie would realize, we aren't trying to acquire a short term captain, but a core guy with leadership abilities. Peca would step in to the core of this team. Messier would be a periphery guy, a short term pick-up that would IMO piss off Alfie. I don't think he'd feel threatened by Peca. It's not as though Peca has done anything Alfie hasn't in terms of playoff play and all. It would complement Alfie, whereas Messier would be a vote of non-confidence to Alfie.
Bonk has done a VERY good job at shutting down the oppositions top lines and put up some points.
Peca brings the whole leadership and brass balls mentality to the team. He's arguably one of the best leaders in the NHL and I'd admit that I'd love to have him, but he's not worth Bonk right now...who's more offensive, and is able to fufill the job of a shutdown centerman as good as Peca.
For the Alpha Male idea, Peca would be a lot easier to fit in to the group than a guy like Messier. I think guys like Alfie would realize, we aren't trying to acquire a short term captain, but a core guy with leadership abilities. Peca would step in to the core of this team. Messier would be a periphery guy, a short term pick-up that would IMO piss off Alfie. I don't think he'd feel threatened by Peca. It's not as though Peca has done anything Alfie hasn't in terms of playoff play and all. It would complement Alfie, whereas Messier would be a vote of non-confidence to Alfie.
I see your point...but how about this...just to play devil's advocate.
Trade for Peca, who's under contract, who's known across the leage to be one of the best captains out there. What message would that send to Alfie about renewing a contract with the Sens?
From a captaincy point of view...it wouldn't really send a good message to Alfie in my opinion. It could be viewed as a "If you don't re-sign, we've got our next captain" type of move.
...and quite frankly...I'd much rather have Alfie over Peca at this point in my life.
Peca is exactly what we need to strengthen our team come playoff time..but is he worth Bonk? I think so... bonk is a good player but he won't provide as much as Peca would in the playoffs.
McKenzie is a reasonable source, but this deal seems unrealistic. I think it favors the Isles. Bonk is better offensively, younger, and less expensive.
Totally agree. But what would it honestly take?
Top 4 dman? No...so Rachunek can't be offered...
Top 6 forward? Havlat would be even more than Bonk in return...
Prospects? I don't know what the Isles need right now, but we can't really part with Vermette or Emery...
I can envision Sens fans crying in their beers as a Tucker Peca Nolan line turns your number one line into dog mush as once again the mighty leafs bounce the Sens out of the playoffs again.
Bonk for Peca is a Muckler steal which I hope does not happen.
I can envision Sens fans crying in their beers as a Tucker Peca Nolan line turns your number one line into dog mush as once again the mighty leafs bounce the Sens out of the playoffs again.
Bonk for Peca is a Muckler steal which I hope does not happen.
Oh boy, that line would be a nightmare for any top line to go against....but especially a division rival would be even worse. I am sure the Leafs will try to outbid the Sens for Peca's services
I can envision Sens fans crying in their beers as a Tucker Peca Nolan line turns your number one line into dog mush as once again the mighty leafs bounce the Sens out of the playoffs again.
Go talk to a Flyers fan about how the Sens have been the last 2 years...
I feel for you insecurity...but the idea of the Leafs taking out the Sens now when they actually have gotten the time to mature and become one of the top 3 teams in the NHL...is quite frankly..ridiculous.
When the Leafs took out the Sens so many moons ago is was like a highschool senior beating up on a grade 9er...They've grown up..and you KNOW they don't stand a chance now that they've grown up.
Peca is exactly what we need to strengthen our team come playoff time..but is he worth Bonk? I think so... bonk is a good player but he won't provide as much as Peca would in the playoffs.
Peca has not proven to be a great, heck not even good, playoff performer. Why is this such a common misconception. Needn't look farther than last years playoff, he was terrible.
When the Leafs took out the Sens so many moons ago is was like a highschool senior beating up on a grade 9er...They've grown up..and you KNOW they don't stand a chance now that they've grown up.
Wasn't it 3 of the last four years the Leafs knocked out the Sens? If Nolan wasn't hurt last year it would have been 4 of 4. Why do you think Muckler wants Peca? He heard the leafs wanted him and he thought
Peca has not proven to be a great, heck not even good, playoff performer. Why is this such a common misconception. Needn't look farther than last years playoff, he was terrible.
I recall Peca leading the Sabres to the stanley cup final and along the way he shut down the Sens and the leafs. He was also their best player against the leafs until Tuck hit him with his hip check.
Wasn't it 3 of the last four years the Leafs knocked out the Sens? If Nolan wasn't hurt last year it would have been 4 of 4. Why do you think Muckler wants Peca? He heard the leafs wanted him and he thought
Tucker Peca Nolan
Yikes! Who will stand up to this line?
Varada-Peca-Neil
'Nuff Said
Have you stopped to think what it would cost the Leafs to get Peca yet?
So did Corson. Point is, Hasek was the reason for the cup run, not Peca.
Great Goaltending is a prerequisite for a cup run every year. Belfour out played Hasek that year. You knew in OT Belfour wasn't going to give up a goal in Game 6. The point is the Peca was the leader and he made that team go on the ice. Look what happened to Buffalo the year he sat out and they still had Hasek.
Speculation by both Pierre McGuire and Bob McKenzie during the first intermission of the broadcast tonight that if the Islanders lose to the Rangers tomorrow night a shakeup will occur...and they mentionned that the Leafs and Senators would be the 2 primary destinations for Peca if he were to be traded. McKenzie said specifically that Bonk would go the other way.
I often think Bob McKenzie makes up his own trade rumours a la Garrioch but what do you guys think? Personally I would be all over that trade but I suspect some of you wouldn't be as intrigued as I would be.
can't see this trade from an Ottawa perspective,but i hope im wrong because Peca would look good with Sens, from what I remmember the Sens were not to happy when Bonk recived 3.5m a year from an arbitrator, how can they then add peca who i think is making 4.5-5m a year.
peca would be a great addition, good sandpaper we can use.
would i trade him for bonk? no way. i dont know if milbury would either, hes gotten direct orders from managment to cut salary, so he saves 250k this year or whatever it is, but bonk is on his contract year, and will get a raise of at least that probably. so there right back where they started. thats my theory at least.
who do we trade then, its hard to tell, in a perfect world we'd do it without distrupting the core...if milbury is crazy enough it could happen, since he does need to cut salary despretly apparently. but in my books the most moveable is havlat. now before i get attacked, the kid is gonna be good once he becomes more consistant (people flame bonk for inconsistancy, what about havlat sheesh..lol), havlat signed a one year deal, and quite frankly, i dont see anything changing this summer, wouldnt suprise me one bit if he sat out all over again. plus with the log jam and RW, and alfie in contract talks, it doesnt look like havlat can move up the ladder anytime soon. i love the kid, but out of the supposed core, hes the most moveable. but maybe we can get lucky again and get a steal like the yashin trade..lol...milbury isnt the sanest man on earth
