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01-13-2007, 07:31 PM
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There was an incident with rinkrat where I was an unfortunate witness to, in my humble opinion, certain conduct and positions he took that I could not forgive or look past. In good conscience, I cannot bring myself to contribute to lgk anymore.
Sounds (not so) surprisingly similar to the events behind my exodus a few years ago.

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HF is more and more becoming the safe haven for LGK refugee's. It's like South America for the Nazi's.

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- Interesting talk on the Pronger deal. Sounds like the Kings were right in there...I wonder which 3 young players the Oilers wanted? Guaranteed Frolov and Gleason were in there...

- Kind of concerning, "I think this is what Marc was doing with Cloutier..." Shouldn't he know what the hell Crow was trying to do definitively?

- Some fans are idiots. "I can't see the team improving next year..." Are you kidding me? This is one of the best young teams in the NHL. "Why can't we watch video and emulate the best penalty-killers?" Right, like the team doesn't watch video. Some of these people have obviously never played hockey in their life, "Get the dmen to stand people up at the blueline."

- I like DL and his answers. He is taking lumps now in order to improve long term. Short-term pain, long-term gain. Too many morons are expecting immediate big name signings, but like DL said - this isn't like fantasy sports.

- Talks to Nashville at least once a month about their young dmen. GOOD stuff. I would love a Hamhuis, Suter, Weber, Parent, whoever. Get ready for a draft trend of young (probably Western Canadian) mobile dmen. DL obviously admires the Preds, and look at his dmen drafting record in San Jose.

- Focus on (i) hockey sense and (ii) competitiveness at the draft...interesting strategy. Bet he would have loved to grab guys like Downie and M. Richards.

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Focus on (i) hockey sense and (ii) competitiveness at the draft...interesting strategy. Bet he would have loved to grab guys like Downie and M. Richards.
That's one area that I think DT fell short on during his drafts. Glad to see DL is zeroing in on it.

As for some of those questions...I feel bad that DL had to sit there and smile, pretending to take them seriously.

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DEAN: I think I know what at least ONE question will be (laughter)

Q: Are we going to acquire any veteran players

DEAN: I didn't see enough young players - we have 6 players 24 and under - that's low - I'd rather get us some young players - we have TOO MANY veterans.

Pronger would have cost me three young players and I didn't want to do that. We're not in a position to get a "core" veteran. We have to keep getting younger players, especially on the back end. If you look at the back, it's old. And then we have the goalie issue... (audience laughs)

Q: Why? (asked to expand) Why play Cloutier for 35 games?

DEAN: You have to let the coach make the decisions of who is on the ice - I understand what Marc is doing? Do you sit him and let him try and get his game back or do you let him push his way through it. I think with unproven goaltenders, you would probably say no, lets get this guy back to the drawing board, lets work with him after practice. In this case with a guy who has had 30 wins in this league for a number of years, or he's a proven guy still in his prime, I think Marc's reasoning is "well, I know he can do it, lets just keep letting him play his way through it". When it snoballed, we had the discussion "lets back off of this, let's callin Billy (Ranford) and go back to basics, and then Mathieu got hurt again. Neither way worked. I can understand what Marc was thinking. Maybe we should have gone the other way about a month ago, but then Mathieu got hurt.

Q: I've been a season seat holder a long time - been through this a long time - but I need a plan - watching the Kings this year it's really hard to see how they are going to improve next year - sell me on why I should continue to buy my season seats.

DEAN: I can't promise anything - In this business you gotta be a little lucky - the only thing I'll promise you is we will work 13 hours a day. There are lot of things the fans can't see - when you look at an organizational chart, I've been through this before - there's a reason why New Jersey has those cups. It's not just the players its the way they do things, the pro scouts, amateur scouts, the trainers, development program is integrated and its my job to build that infrastructure and THEN you will see a product you will be proud of.

I think we can do better than New Jersey but there's a reason why they've had so much success.

I can't give you the answer "will I trade this guy at the deadline". I'm not going after free agents unless they are the RIGHT free agents. We've already started that process. How do I explain this? You start by building the reserve list, then you can build a team.

Why would anybody do the Jack Johnson deal? It CLEARLY hurt this team. I agree with you. People sent me e-mail... He's a young defenseman. How do I answer that question? It would take me five hours.

The only thing I can promise you is that nobody's going to give you more of an effort.

It is a chance, given where we're at, we're not in a good position but in some ways we are in a good position because you might end up being a seller when everyone's a buyer. Maybe we can maximize asset value, i.e. draft picks and young players.

(gave an example of the Dodgers and the minors, then repeated himself)

The next question was a big whine fest about how many goals the Kings gave up and Norstrom and Miller, the lousy penalty kill, etc, then made a reference to Cloutier's deal before playing a game... to which Patrick O'Neil said "next!" -

DEAN: That's a COACHING issue, not a personel issue.

Okay, Now you're in my suit. Let's talk about defense. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?? How are YOU going to make it better?

Let's talk about the defense...

I believe in starting from the back - As much as I like these young kids we got up front, if I had my druthers, I'd like to have Nashville's reserve list with Suter and Weber and Hamhuis and Erat and all those kids that are defenseman on the back. I would like to flip the assets but I can't.

The only way to get that shored up is by drafting and making hopefully deals like Jack Johnson and maybe we'll make another deal like that here at the deadline. To really shore it up like you want has to come from a process from within.

The offers I get for Vishnovsky (the audience: NOOOOOOO!) - He's a good player, but you can't find them! It's almost like good pitching.

The reason I'm asking YOU. Look at Anaheim. Once you get past Pronger and Neidermeyer, there's a MAJOR dropoff and then you get down to 5 and 6 and it's ANOTHER dropoff.

I don't like the fact that every one of our defensemen is 30 or over but how are you going to get that asset, I'm sorry, it has to come from within because nobody is going to trade me a top young defenseman in his prime.

Even Nashville and those young defensemen. I talk to them at least one a month about trading one of those, I'll stay on them.

(Dean then rambled on about Norstrom and talked about Derian Hatcher and his game, the guy asking the question *****ed about the penalty kill)

DEAN: The goaltending has not been good, and that's your best penalty killer. You don't like to pin it all on one position but lets get real here. We were in the top 10 early in the year, but if there are pucks going in, its gonna wear on you.

You've been a fan for 18 years, have you ever seen so many blocked shots? That's why teams are collapsing in. These are better questions for Marc, but your goalie has to stop them.

Q: Scheduling question - and where would you rank the kings in regards to scouting?

We have the worst schedule. The traveling. People don't realize how hard it is out here. Remember when expansion came, the theory was they were gonna be bad teams. You wanted to be able to market Mario and Wayne, they didn't care about division rivalries, 'cause those new teams were gonna get the crap beat out of 'em anyway. They didn't have any good players. Now, the issue is, they want the division rivalries to create anger. The problem is: No fighting and players switching teams! Philadelphia and the Rangers fought in warmups! Ask the fans now - are you better off seeing Ovechkin or Crosby 3 times a year? That's a vote that should go to the fans. We have Kopitar, he's gonna be better than those two (gag).

Right now, in the last 6 months, we are moving... When I was making my decision on which team to go to, my biggest concern was spending on infrastructure and they have not denied me one resource. Everything I've asked for... we're completely redoing the war room. The technology. We're still in the process of getting the people buying into how I want things done. That will pay off in the long run rather than going and spending money on a free agent. They have not denied me one penny.

Q: Can we have 1 or 2 games at 7:00?

DEAN: The theory is people can't get there. The game ends at 10:00, what's wrong with that?

Q: Can you explain the Cloutier extension and is his contract on your "long list of mistakes"?

HEXTALL: First of all, thanks for being here (laughter) - When we came in Labarbera had played 32 games, Matty 120 - Clouts had been a proven goaltener, played with Crow. I've been asked this a lot of times. I don't have an answer. We looked at the free agent market for 07 and it ain't pretty (see CBGB's thread). We felt Clouts was the best at the time. Look at Khabibulin. Won a cup with Tampa, goes to Chicago and couldn't play last year. He was terrible. All of a sudden he's great this year. I don't know what it is about the position, I've been there myself.

Q: Looking at all the signings this summer, they're all below expectations. Why should I faith in our future and stick with my season seats?

HEXTALL: We had to build a winning culture. Blake's a winner. McCauley, hurt, is a winner. There's no way to check free agents automatically. He was supposed to be healthy. Blakey hasn't been a Norris candidate, but I don't think he's played poorly.

When we were coming in here we tried to sign Zdeno Chara, we tried to sign Patrik Elias. Chara wanted to stay on the east coast, Elias wanted to go back to the Devils but we did try and sign top players.

Jack Johnson is a short term pain, long term asset. We had to take some short term lumps.

Q: What are we looking for in this years draft?

DEAN: There are no Ovechkin's or Crosby's. It's always the best player. Like football. It's an asset. You want to maximize that draft slot. Nashville is sitting on a gold mine with all those defenseman they have. If two players are equal, I trend towards the defenseman. It's harder to find them. The 2nd thing, and Hex is the same way. Every GM has his beliefs and tells his scout what to look for. I developed my own style.

Here's what I look for: 1) Hockey sense - it's the hardest thing to teach - you integrate the development program, there are certain skills that a player will naturally get better at: His skating will improve, his skating will improve, even his size will improve but its very hard to improve his hockey sense and that takes an enormous amount of work.

Hex and I were here last night looking at film: "Back it up. Does he get under his sticks in traffic, what type of angle is he taking, is he staying on the right side... those are all little things that give you clues on his hockey sense.

Other GM's say they like skating. I think skating is very overrated. I think you can improve skating but give me the asset you can't prove.

The second thing is ??????? (character???)

Getting back to the goalie issue... In 07, Vokoun was the only guy we saw. Too expensive. Biron, Buffalo ain't gonna give up. I saw Gerber, who had nowhere near Cloutiers record go for 4 million. That's why we locked him at 3. It didn't work. Flat out.

Q: Do we have a ETA on Jack (MF) Johnson and Petiot

HEXTALL: Petiot is a couple weeks away from playing in Manchester. On Jack, we don't know. He has to decide. We feel he's ready to come out.

Q: Don't even think about trading Visnovsky - We need bigger players up front - Demitra was a cancer, but he produced

DEAN: I agree on the size issue, but I'm not as adament because of the rule changes. I would like to have more size, but we need size that can play. Frolov, Kopitar and Brown don't play small. I wish Cammy was bigger but he has a big heart. I'm curious on how this Pushkarev kid continues to come along. They're learning how to protect the puck, go to the hole and pay the price. I thought our defense would be fine. I thought we left ourselves short up front. That's where most of the upside on the roster was. And actually that has gone beyond my expectations. Marc's done a tremendous job. He was VERY underrated in Vancouver. With Jovo and Bertuzzi and the Sedins. Those were not proven players when he got them and he turned them into good players. Would I like big guys? Absolutley, but one thing I like about this Pushkarev that I've seen so far is that he doesn't play small.

Dialogue with your players is critical. I have Sean Avery in my office every two weeks, lets talk it through... Let me tell you about a few things in the development of a player that are critical, that you can't put your finger on.

Pushkarev was not paying attention in the minors. He had his own agenda, thought he should be in the NHL, acting up, his numbers were brutal, wasn't doing anything the coach told him to do and he could not look at himself.

We started hearing he wants to go back to Russia, like the kid from Phoenix did. A young player, as soon as things aren't going their way blame everybody else and go somewhere else, so he's on this path and Russia's after him... "You shouldn't be in the minors, they're sticking it to you, come here and play" - There's no way he's going to get any better if he goes back to Russia and Phoenix lost a player like this, that Lisin kid, good player, but he wasn't quite ready for the NHL and he's gonna lose significant development time.

Hex is down there, I'm losing my patience, I'm saying "this is character, If I quit now, am I gonna trust him the Stanley Cup playoffs" and Hex says "calm down, I'll take care of it. I really like this kid. Deep down, he's a competitor. So he goes there, I'm scouting in Western Canada, I'm driving across the border and there's a huge line and I've just about had it with him. I say "get him out of here! I don't want him around our players anymore".

"I can get to this guy, dean. I can get this guy, Dean"

I say, "Well don't you kiss his butt. He's gonna be telling every other player out there to try and go somewhere else to get your way."

"Trust me, Dean, I'm not gonna kiss his butt"

Slowly the dialogue, I mean, he commands so much respect for what he stood for, and even a Russian like Pushkarev can appreciate what this guy stands for and I don't know what he did, but there's a joke now around the office that this is his son (laughter). Because I think Hex saw a little of himself, 'cause if you see Pushkarev, he's got it, this guy competes but does he compete when he wants to?

So you see this kid now out there, he's on the top line. The oldest guy on the line is 22. That gets exciting. You ask about season tickets. When you see a kid like that, there's hope. Think about how those kids come together. The amount of work that goes into that. Calling him into the office, going over his tapes, coaches go publicly, they went over all his tapes in Manchester "this is what you need to do"

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Thanks for the write up. Saves a lot of people abotu 40 minutes of their life

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Interesting to hear about Pushkarev. Backs up what some of our Monarchs posters have been saying.

Mobile d-men.... Man we are going to be hurt next year when we still don't have a goalie and still don't have much speed on the blueline...

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Huge thanks for the write-up. I could only listen to 1/2 the audio, some of those "fans" were very aggravating and ignorant.

Can't say I agree with what seems to be pinning so much hope on Pushkarev...

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Huge thanks for the write-up. I could only listen to 1/2 the audio, some of those "fans" were very aggravating and ignorant.

Can't say I agree with what seems to be pinning so much hope on Pushkarev...
Reaper - thanks for the write up as well. As far as pinning so much hope on Pushkarev...I see this as hope in the way the organization handles issues that arise. In the former regime, Pushkarev would have gone back to Russia after this season. Instead, these guys took proactive steps and took him aside and are working with him...do they expect him to blossom and become a first line player? I don't think they are putting inrealistic expectations on him, they are just doing the right thing in developing him. They are taking the time to work with him and do whatever they can in his individual situation - and not by kissing his butt or giving him a lot of leeway. They expect things from him, yet have rewarded him by giving him a shot....this is great. If Push fials, he fails. But it won't be because the Kings staff didn't do their best to work with him and develop him....we may have the makings of a 60+ point top 6 player here. The guy has hockey sense and can definitely play.

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Reaper - thanks for the write up as well. As far as pinning so much hope on Pushkarev...I see this as hope in the way the organization handles issues that arise. In the former regime, Pushkarev would have gone back to Russia after this season. Instead, these guys took proactive steps and took him aside and are working with him...do they expect him to blossom and become a first line player? I don't think they are putting inrealistic expectations on him, they are just doing the right thing in developing him. They are taking the time to work with him and do whatever they can in his individual situation - and not by kissing his butt or giving him a lot of leeway. They expect things from him, yet have rewarded him by giving him a shot....this is great. If Push fials, he fails. But it won't be because the Kings staff didn't do their best to work with him and develop him....we may have the makings of a 60+ point top 6 player here. The guy has hockey sense and can definitely play.


I think they have already given up on the season but not on Pushy. So if it takes puting him on the Kings to wake him up they are willing to deal with him maybe not being totally ready.

But I have to say I remember the prospect games with Pushy, Brown, and Kopitar. Funny to see it in a NHL game so soon....

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That transcript leaves some stuff out. Heres some of things I thought were the most interesting:

I was shocked about how openly DL talked about Norstrom's ineffectiveness...

"You should hear the offers I get for Visnovsky..." -DL
He went on to say that he'll be looking to re-sign Visnovsky this offseason.

DL also mentioned that he inquires about Nashvilles' young D prospects about once a month.

"I have not been denied one penny" -DL
Refencing AEG's spending on the team.

"O'Sullivan will be an NHL player when he learns to pay the price in traffic...He needs to do what Cammy does...I should have ticketed him to Manchester from the very start..." -DL

"If Cammy's Agent see's him as a 35 goal scorer, he'll want a number (salary figure) that's way different than what we see him at..." -DL
In reference to trying to sign Cammy long term this coming offseason.

"I don't know if we had enough information to give Cammy what he wanted..." -DL
In reference to negotations with Cammy last offseason.

"The closer he gets to free angency the harder and harder it's gonna be (signing Cammy long term)...Someday I might have to give Cammy 5M over 10 years and it might not turn out." -DL

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Uhh. Wait. Pushkarev doesn't do what they want him to do in Manchester, "has his own agenda, thought he should be in the NHL, his numbers were brutal" he whines that he wants to go back to Russia and as a reward for all this he gets a call-up to L.A?

***?

I guess O'Sullivan is gonna have to start getting in trouble and stop putting up decent numbers, apparently that's the message from the Suits in LA.

What a freaking clusterfuch.

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Reaper - thanks for the write up as well. As far as pinning so much hope on Pushkarev...I see this as hope in the way the organization handles issues that arise. In the former regime, Pushkarev would have gone back to Russia after this season. Instead, these guys took proactive steps and took him aside and are working with him...do they expect him to blossom and become a first line player? I don't think they are putting inrealistic expectations on him, they are just doing the right thing in developing him. They are taking the time to work with him and do whatever they can in his individual situation - and not by kissing his butt or giving him a lot of leeway. They expect things from him, yet have rewarded him by giving him a shot....this is great. If Push fials, he fails. But it won't be because the Kings staff didn't do their best to work with him and develop him....we may have the makings of a 60+ point top 6 player here. The guy has hockey sense and can definitely play.

On a 2nd read, I realized I misread the info. They were talking more about the development of prospects in general and using Push as an example. I agree with your line of thought.

As for Cammy, this is one guy that DL seemed really high on. Him and Kopitar.

I was also SHOCKED to hear him talk about Matty. Not that it isn't true, just that he would talk about the captain like that. He actually compared him to Derian Hatcher pre and post lockout!

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Reaper - thanks for the write up as well. As far as pinning so much hope on Pushkarev...I see this as hope in the way the organization handles issues that arise. In the former regime, Pushkarev would have gone back to Russia after this season. Instead, these guys took proactive steps and took him aside and are working with him...do they expect him to blossom and become a first line player? I don't think they are putting inrealistic expectations on him, they are just doing the right thing in developing him. They are taking the time to work with him and do whatever they can in his individual situation - and not by kissing his butt or giving him a lot of leeway. They expect things from him, yet have rewarded him by giving him a shot....this is great. If Push fials, he fails. But it won't be because the Kings staff didn't do their best to work with him and develop him....we may have the makings of a 60+ point top 6 player here. The guy has hockey sense and can definitely play.
I have only been able to view Pushkarev's perfomance at today's game, which i enjoyed by the way even though we lost! He looked a little awkward at times to me(lots of falling), but hey he put up another point, so this is good and it can't hurt having him up there. I'm in support of the young ones getting their shot. I have to say the whole not kissing his *** thing, however, does not sit well with me. I saw a few games on line awhile back and it looked like he was really buying into the playing as a team member thing, he was battling along the boards, putting up some points, etc. I then saw another game just before he was called up and it looked like he was show casing himself to the detriment of the team (getting the pucked stripped from him as he was attempting to control the play too long etc). I just thought he looked like he took a major step back, and then he was called up. i was suprised as i did not think that sent a very good message to the team. So i am glad they are working with him, he is talented, but i do think they kissed his *** just a little giving him that shot maybe before he completely earned it.

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That transcript leaves some stuff out. Heres some of things I thought were the most interesting:

"If Cammy's Agent see's him as a 35 goal scorer, he'll want a number (salary figure) that's way different than what we see him at..." -DL
In reference to trying to sign Cammy long term this coming offseason.

"I don't know if we had enough information to give Cammy what he wanted..." -DL
In reference to negotations with Cammy last offseason.

"The closer he gets to free angency the harder and harder it's gonna be (signing Cammy long term)...Someday I might have to give Cammy 5M over 10 years and it might not turn out." -DL
Exactly why some of us think Cammalleri is a goner.

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And sorry guys, I stole that recap from CBGB, give him credit. I just figured it'd be easier to read that then listen to the whole thing.

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Uhh. Wait. Pushkarev doesn't do what they want him to do in Manchester, "has his own agenda, thought he should be in the NHL, his numbers were brutal" he whines that he wants to go back to Russia and as a reward for all this he gets a call-up to L.A?

***?

I guess O'Sullivan is gonna have to start getting in trouble and stop putting up decent numbers, apparently that's the message from the Suits in LA.

What a freaking clusterfuch.
Umm...they said he was called up after Hextall had worked with him and made progress on turning his attitude around...

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Exactly why some of us think Cammalleri is a goner.
Going into this offseason, his market value will probably be close to 3.5M per. Do you think that's too much to pay for him?

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I'm not Reaper, but my answer to the question is "most certainly".

The team is way too close to the cap to be sucking like this, it's just a waste of money.

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Going into this offseason, his market value will probably be close to 3.5M per. Do you think that's too much to pay for him?


I think you sign him. Part of having a good young team is KEEPing you good young talent when they are RFA.

We are two years away from being damn good (if we get a goalie). Can't lose cammy now.


Although if we can get some nice young d-man in trade... well that is a different story.

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I think you sign him. Part of having a good young team is KEEPing you good young talent when they are RFA.

We are two years away from being damn good (if we get a goalie). Can't lose cammy now.


Although if we can get some nice young d-man in trade... well that is a different story.
I think one of those Nashville d-men for Cammy + could work....

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I'm just happy we won't have to hear about anymore Visnovsky trades... right.... right??

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Cammy...2 years, 6 Mill. Take it or leave it.

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I think one of those Nashville d-men for Cammy + could work....


Yeah that would be perfect. In two years time we'll say we're one or two players away from having a real good roster only to move another two important pieces and fall four good players behind. Everybody will be moaning about another top six player when we already had one.
It's a constant rewind here and I think Lombardi is a w@nker for even going the route he is with Cammy. His pride is total overkill and he's already making his bed on this one.......just like he did with Cloutier! Cammy will shine for years to come and saying he's not worth it is completely stupid. He's the same kind of player Hemsky is for Edmonton and they took care of him. The sad part is he shelled out six million a year without even blinking for a washed up 37 yr old defenseman.

Am I impressed?.......not really. I just keep putting up with the **** like the rest of you. My expression is usually this

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Yeah that would be perfect. In two years time we'll say we're one or two players away from having a real good roster only to move another two important pieces and fall four good players behind. Everybody will be moaning about another top six player when we already had one.
It's a constant rewind here and I think Lombardi is a w@nker for even going the route he is with Cammy. His pride is total overkill and he's already making his bed on this one.......just like he did with Cloutier! Cammy will shine for years to come and saying he's not worth it is completely stupid. He's the same kind of player Hemsky is for Edmonton and they took care of him. The sad part is he shelled out six million a year without even blinking for a washed up 37 yr old defenseman.

Am I impressed?.......not really. I just keep putting up with the **** like the rest of you. My expression is usually this
Did you even read what Lombardi said about Cammalleri?

"If Cammy's Agent see's him as a 35 goal scorer, he'll want a number (salary figure) that's way different than what we see him at..." -DL
In reference to trying to sign Cammy long term this coming offseason.

"I don't know if we had enough information to give Cammy what he wanted..." -DL
In reference to negotations with Cammy last offseason.

"The closer he gets to free agency the harder and harder it's gonna be (signing Cammy long term)...Someday I might have to give Cammy 5M over 10 years and it might not turn out." -DL

I think that says a lot. Cammy's young. He's proven he can score. From those comments alone, it doesn't seem like Lombardi is too positive that Cammy will want to stay here, or that he'll even be able to sign him. And that's the vibe I've always had with Cammalleri. He's already 24. He'll be a free agent in a few years, and he just doesn't seem like the kind of guy to sign with a rebuilding team like us for a decent salary long term. Is he really worth throwing more money at than he's worth? Say we sign him to one year deals until he hits free agency right when this team is about to compete. Will it be any good to have him bolt for free, or would it make far more sense to move him, even if that means moving him now, and get something valuable for him that will be around when we're going to be competitive?

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