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01-15-2007, 05:26 PM
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Edmonton, Ottawa trade proposal

Edmonton to Ottawa

Lupul (2.3 million cap hit)

Ottawa to Edmonton

Corvo (2.5 million cap hit)
3rd rounder (if needed)

Reasons - Ottawa gets a Heatley type player to play with Spezza since Heatley is doing fine without him

-Edmonton gets a good PP QB, puck moving d-man, 3rd

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01-15-2007, 05:29 PM
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Hmm. It seems fair enough... I just don't think I'm ready give up on Lupul, even though we are in dire need of that dman.

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01-15-2007, 05:31 PM
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Fair? Lupul is a kid who scored 28 goals as a rookie. He may not be putting up big numbers now, but he is a lock to emerge as a future 30 goal scorer. He still has several years under contract. He is a major trade chip.

Corvo is a bad one-dimensional dman who was signed to a ridiculous contract by Ottawa, in one of Muckler's worst moves. I think the SENS would have to pay to get at team to suck up that hit to their payroll.

I can't begin to imagine why the Oilers would do this.

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People on this board are FAR too hard on Lupul. The guy is only half way through his third NHL season. He has offensive tools up the yinyang and will only improve, both offensively and defensively, with time. Trading him away would be a Satan-like mistake, imo...

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Edmonton to Ottawa

Lupul (2.3 million cap hit)

Ottawa to Edmonton

Corvo (2.5 million cap hit)
3rd rounder (if needed)

Reasons - Ottawa gets a Heatley type player to play with Spezza since Heatley is doing fine without him

-Edmonton gets a good PP QB, puck moving d-man, 3rd
Corvo is a good offensive defenseman but defensively, he is plain horrible. (-9 this season). If you need a good PP QB puck moving d-man , I don't think that Corvo is the right guy. I think the Oilers should make a push for Rafalski. He is a expensive Dman and the Devils need to dump some salaries, maybe they would accept to trade him for the right price.

Here is the scouting report from TSN (for Joe Corvo)

Assets Has intriguing scoring potential from the back end and also owns enough size to play an effective defensive game.

Flaws May need to play a less risky game in order to see regular ice time in the NHL. Must tighten up his defensive-zone coverage.

Career potential No. 6 or 7 defenseman.

I don't think it would be fair for the Oilers to lose Luppul for this guy. I know that Luppul is having a hard time lately but he is still very young. No need to give up with him already.

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Fair? Lupul is a kid who scored 28 goals as a rookie. He may not be putting up big numbers now, but he is a lock to emerge as a future 30 goal scorer. He still has several years under contract. He is a major trade chip.

Corvo is a bad one-dimensional dman who was signed to a ridiculous contract by Ottawa, in one of Muckler's worst moves. I think the SENS would have to pay to get at team to suck up that hit to their payroll.

I can't begin to imagine why the Oilers would do this.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but with the Oilers needing a dman and everyone knowing it, it puts us at a disadvantage.

Oh and by the way Lupul scored 28 in his sophomore year, not as a rookie.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you but with the Oilers needing a dman and everyone knowing it, it puts us at a disadvantage.

Oh and by the way Lupul scored 28 in his sophomore year, not as a rookie.
True, but that is still very impressive performance. I think he had also scored like 9 playoff goals that season (I could have the numbers mixed up, and I am frankly too lazy to look it up).

I understand the disadvantage stuff, but this is still a major overpayment.

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Now I know why Tony S is on my ignore list...

While we're at it, how about Spezza for Tjarnqvist.

Fair?

Yes?

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True, but that is still very impressive performance. I think he had also scored like 9 playoff goals that season (I could have the numbers mixed up, and I am frankly too lazy to look it up).

I understand the disadvantage stuff, but this is still a major overpayment.
Eh, I think the disadvantage stuff gets blown out of proportions in the first place. The Oilers needed a goalie terribly last year and got one for a 1st and change within their own disadvantage.

As long as more than one team is willing to make a trade, it really doesn't matter how much trouble you're in because you'll get fair market value for the player if you play the other GM's against each other and create a bidding war.

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People on this board are FAR too hard on Lupul. The guy is only half way through his third NHL season. He has offensive tools up the yinyang and will only improve, both offensively and defensively, with time. Trading him away would be a Satan-like mistake, imo...
Agreed. But my goodness is he frustrating to watch right now at times. I have been defending him most of the year but he is just not playing very smart most of the time and gives up on puck battles along the boards way too easy and way too often. He has the tools to turn it around and really become a good player that will get you 35 goals a year, I just hope he gets on with it soon and at least starts showing some sort of consistency and steady progress. Some games the effort looks good and others it look non-existent.

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01-15-2007, 05:56 PM
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Don't think it makes sense to trade Lupul at this point - even though I don't mind Corvo. Give the guy a shot to adjust to this team - get used to his role. How young is Lupul? He could be a future 30+ goal scorer...

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Agreed. But my goodness is he frustrating to watch right now at times.
Absolutely, but very few of us spring from the womb a fully-formed anything. I would be more suprised if a 23 year old offensive player could play great defence and put in a consistenly high degree of effort night in and night out. The guy is 23, a year and a half removed from his rookie season, and coming from a sunbelt team. (That last part is my own little bias against sunbelt players - they turn soft, imo). IMO, give him a year or two of playing within a defensively-responsible system and he will become an excellent asset to the Oilers...

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Counter proposal:
Tjarnqvist+3rd
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Lupul is like Heatly. He doesn't do much at all but if you pass him the puck when he is in the slot he will score more often than not. We didn't trade for Lupul to be a defensive specialist. He is the one shot scorer that this team has needed for the last 15 years. Im not expecting Lupul to do much when he plays 70 percent of the game in his own zone. If Lupul were playing for the ducks right now he would already have 20 goals..Getzlaf playing under Craig "2-1 or 3-2" MacTavish's defensive minded gameplan would probably have less than Lupul right now. Watch a game. Time how much time we spend in our own zone. See how much time Lupul has in the offensive zone. The few times in a blue moon that we actually have the puck on a rush we dump and chase and try to create turnovers.

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Brutal trade for the Oilers.

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The Oilers need a defenceman so I don't see how this deal helps them at all.

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2nd instead of 3rd?

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The Oilers need a defenceman so I don't see how this deal helps them at all.
Corvo is a d-man

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Corvo is a d-man
Just barely.

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Edmonton to Ottawa

Lupul (2.3 million cap hit)

Ottawa to Edmonton

Corvo (2.5 million cap hit)
3rd rounder (if needed)

Reasons - Ottawa gets a Heatley type player to play with Spezza since Heatley is doing fine without him

-Edmonton gets a good PP QB, puck moving d-man, 3rd
Yikes! Lowe better hide if he ever does something like that.

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No way, I think we're all giving up on Lupul too early. And for a guy like Corvo? C'mon, Lupul's going to be a great bargaining chip (if we decide to trade him, which I hope not)....and should be able to get us a solid return.

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Corvo is a d-man
Really? I've seen quite a few Ottawa games this season and I wasn't really sure.

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If we're going to be trading with Ottawa I'd like to see one or two of Schaefer, Phillips, Preissing, Redden coming back. Schaefer is probably only there because I'm a huge fan of his game but the 3 defencemen would be welcome additions, yet costly I'm sure. Redden probably won't be going anywhere, but an extended Chris Phillips or Tom Preissing at that bargain price would be very intriguing to me.

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if klowe makes this trade, he might as well send torres, hemsky and the next 5 first rounders to toronto for tucker as well. i'm not a big corvo fan because of his lack of defensive skill. IF a trade had to be made, i like the rumor of lupul and ____ to phily for pitkanen.
but barring any trades, lupul still needs some time to find his niche in this team and if coach macblender will just keep his lines in tact for a few games, lupul may find some chemistry with someone.

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If we're going to be trading with Ottawa I'd like to see one or two of Schaefer, Phillips, Preissing, Redden coming back. Schaefer is probably only there because I'm a huge fan of his game but the 3 defencemen would be welcome additions, yet costly I'm sure. Redden probably won't be going anywhere, but an extended Chris Phillips or Tom Preissing at that bargain price would be very intriguing to me.
Schaefer, 3rd for Lupul?

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