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01-17-2007, 03:27 PM
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2007 Draft Watch

(I'd label this the Kane or Esposito watch but, man, the draft field is so wide open at this point that it's futile to pick who'll go #1.)

Anyway, with three of the next four games coming up against reigning Stanley Cup champ Carolina Hurricanes, the team going south in general and recent word that Mike Green will be out indefinitely, now is as good a time as any to look beyond to this summer's draft.

McKeen's has fresh rankings out:
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1 Patrick Kane RW London (OHL) 5-9/165
2 Angelo Esposito C Quebec (QMJHL) 6-1/185
3 Kyle Turris C Burnaby (BCHL) 6-1/170
4 Alexei Cherepanov RW Avangard Omsk (Rus) 6-0/185
5 Karl Alzner D Calgary (WHL) 6-2/210
6 Logan Couture C Ottawa (OHL) 6-0/190
7 Jonathon Blum D Vancouver (WHL) 6-1/170
8 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) 6-4/205
9 Sam Gagner C London (OHL) 5-10/190
10 Brandon Sutter C Red Deer (WHL) 6-2/175
11 Jakub Voracek RW Halifax (QMJHL) 6-2/190
12 Sergei Korostin RW Dynamo Moscow (Rus) 5-10/190
13 James van Riemsdyk LW NTDP (USA) 6-3/205
14 Bill Sweatt LW Colorado College (WCHA) 6-0/190
15 James O'Brien C Minnesota (WCHA) 6-2/185
16 Mikael Backlund C Vasteras (Swe) 6-0/195
17 Kevin Shattenkirk D NTDP (USA) 5-11/195
18 Maxim Mayorov LW Leninogorsk (Rus) 6-1/190
19 Nick Petrecki D Omaha (USHL) 6-3/215
20 Mark Katic D Sarnia (OHL) 5-9/185
21 Luca Cunti C GCK Zurich Lions (Sui) 6-0/185
22 Jeremy Smith G Plymouth (OHL) 6-0/160
23 Dana Tyrell LW Prince George (WHL) 5-11/180
24 Ryan McDonagh D Cretin-Derham (USHS) 6-1/200
25 Eric Doyle D Swift Current (WHL) 6-2/195
26 Patrick White LW Grand Rapids (USHS) 6-0/190
27 Zach Hamill C Everett (WHL) 5-11/185
28 Nick Spaling C Kitchener (OHL) 6-0/185
29 Tommy Cross D Westminster (USHS) 6-3/195
30 Oscar Moller C Chilliwack (WHL) 5-10/185
This is the best list I've seen lately. There are some minor inclusions or rankings that I might differ with in some respects, but it's fairly accurate, imo.

With the way the Caps have been playing lately, Turris, Alzner or Couture wouldn't be out of the question as possible Caps picks. Cherepanov, too, could fall due to the ongoing tranfer issue.

If the Caps were among the bottom four again would you rather they reached a little for a defenseman (Alzner) or go with the best player available?

Me, I'd go best player available...unless they happen to be a LWer or goalie.

Also, tonight at 7p.m. is the CHL Top Prospects game featuring the majority of the North American players listed above.

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I've been meaning to update my Caps draft pick list for 07 and 08. I will have to work on that tonight if someone doesn't have one pulled together already.

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Alzner, Ellerby, Petrecki, Voracek, or Katic in the first round
Sutter, Kessel in the second
Gillies is falling from being a top ranked guy this past offseason
Maybe Luca Cunti will fall

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ISS - January

1. Alexei Cherepanov, RW
2. Karl Alzner, D
3. James Van Riemsdyk, LW
4. Jakub Voracek, RW
5. Logan Couture, C
6. Patrick Kane, RW
7. Kyle Turris, C
8. Nick Petrecki, D
9. Sam Gagner, C
10. Angelo Esposito, C

Can't draft on need but the best player available that the caps have listed. No fast fixes in this draft...going to be a few years before someone from this draft helps the caps. Alzner seems like a safe pick of all the dmen. Turris,Cherepanov and Voracek are intriguing on the forward side. Seems like this will be a pick your flavor type draft even in the top 10. I'm anticipating the caps will finish somewhere in the 5-12 range.

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I've been meaning to update my Caps draft pick list for 07 and 08. I will have to work on that tonight if someone doesn't have one pulled together already.
You mean what picks they have?

I think the only additions / subtractions so far are as follows:

Dealt:
Third-round pick in '07 (sent to Montreal for Zednik)

Acquired:
Fourth-round pick in '07 (from the NY Rangers in exchange for the 137th pick in '06 which the Caps had previously acquired from the Canucks in exchange for Max Ouellet).

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Some opinions, via HF themselves:

#3 Kyle Turris
#4 Alexei Cherepanov
#6 Logan Couture
#8 Keaton Ellerby
#9 Sam Gagner
#14 Bill Sweatt
#20 Mark Katic
#23 Dana Tyrell
#27 Zach Hamill

Outside the Top 30:
Colton Gillies
Thomas Hickey
Logan MacMillan
Nick Ross
Linden Rowat

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01-17-2007, 04:08 PM
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Here's Central Scouting Service's mid-term rankings:

North American skaters:

1. Angelo Esposito, C, Quebec (QMJHL)
2. James Van Riemsdyk, LW, US U-18 NTDP
3. Sam Gagner, C, London (OHL)
4. Patrick Kane, RW, London (OHL)
5. Kyle Turris, C, Burnaby (BCHL)
6. Keaton Ellerby, D, Kamloops (WHL)
7. John Blum, D, Vancouver (WHL)
8. Karl Alzner, D, Calgary (WHL)
9. Brandon Sutter, C/RW, Red Deer (WHL)
10.Tommy Cross, D, Westminster (USHS)
11.Logan Couture, C, Ottawa (OHL)
12.Ryan McDonagh, D, Cretin-Derham (USHS)
13.Kevin Shattenkirk, D, US U-18 NTDP
14.David Skokan, C, Rimouski (QMJHL)
15.Jakub Voracek, RW, Halifax (QMJHL)
16.Keven Veileux, C, Victoriaville (QMJHL)
17.Nick Ross, D, Regina (WHL)
18.David Perron, W, Lewiston (QMJHL)
19.Eric Doyle, D, Everett (WHL)
20.James O'Brien, C, Minnesota (WCHA)
21.Colton Gillies, C, Saskatoon (WHL)
22.Zach Hamill, C, Everett (WHL)
23.Max Pacioretty, LW, Sioux City (USHL)
24.Mike Hoeffel, W, US U-18 NTDP
25.Patrick White, C, Grand Rapids (USHS)
26.Thomas Hickey, D, Seattle (WHL)
27.Colby Cohen, D, US U-18 NTDP
28.Taylor Ellington, D, Everett (WHL)
29.Maxime Tanguay, C, Rimouski (QMJHL)
30.Nick Spaling, C, Kitchener (OHL)

European skaters:

1. Alexei Cherepanov, RW, Omsk (RSL)
2. Mikael Backlund, C, Vasteras (Sweden-2)
3. Maxim Mayorov, W, Leninogorsk (Russia-2)
4. Joakim Andersson, C, Frolunda (Sweden-Jr.)
5. Lars Eller, W, Frolunda (Sweden-Jr.)
6. Vladimir Ruzicka, C, Slavia (Czech)
7. Vitali Karamnov, C, Dynamo Moscow (RSL)
8. Radim Ostrcil, D, Vsetin (Czech)
9. Niklas Torp, D, HV 71 (Sweden-Jr.)
10.Sergei Korostin, RW, Dynamo Moscow (RSL)
11.Lassi Kokkala, C, TPS (Finland Jr.)
12.Luca Cunti, C, Dubendorf (Swiss-3)
13.Maxim Goncharov, D, CSKA 2 (Russia-3)
14.Niklas Lucenius, C, Tappara (Finland Jr.)
15.Jan Piskacek, D, Kladno (Czech Jr.)

Goalies are ranked too but I don't see the Caps taking one until the late rounds (if at all).

There's a great deal of talent coming from the USHL and the high school ranks that'll be heading to the NCAA either next year or the year after. Seeing as how Hershey will likely be stocked up for the immediate future, it'd be a good idea if the Caps targeted a couple of NCAA-bound youngsters this year. Guys like Casey Pierro-Zabotel, Kevin Shattenkirk or Tommy Cross would be solid early second round picks.

The USHL will have their 2007 Prospects / All-Star Game on January 30th.

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Alexei Cherepanov, RW, Omsk (RSL)



^^^ where do I sign?

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if we got Alexei Cherepanov ... well do that math



damn Chimaera beat me!!



one more edit: Colton Gillies intrigues me (or at least the write up about him) - fast & big ain't bad.


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Alexei Cherepanov, RW, Omsk (RSL)



^^^ where do I sign?
you and matty are on it. a russian we could call alex? sign him up today. if he's anything like semin, by the time he gets here he'll be 6'2, so i'm not worried about him being a tad small.

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Time to get some solid D prospects into the fold - Ellerby, Alzner, or Blum.

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You mean what picks they have?

I think the only additions / subtractions so far are as follows:

Dealt:
Third-round pick in '07 (sent to Montreal for Zednik)

Acquired:
Fourth-round pick in '07 (from the NY Rangers in exchange for the 137th pick in '06 which the Caps had previously acquired from the Canucks in exchange for Max Ouellet).
Yes, that is what I meant; IIRC, the Clark trade had some 2007 pick swap as well as the 2006 pick. I have to look up/track down the details, but it was something like, 2006 7th and 2007 6th rounders to Calgary and Calgary gives Caps 2007 7th rounder. (whatever the details it was a great trade for the Caps)

Anyway, it would be nice to pull together the list before the trade deadline to know what picks the Caps have to work with at this time. So corrections would be appreciated

2007 Washington Capitals Draft Picks

Round 1
Round 2
Round 3 none (sent to Montreal in Zednik trade)
Round 4
Round 4 (acquired from NYR in draft day pick swap)
Round 5
Round 6 none (sent to Calgary in Clark trade)
Round 7
Round 7 (acquired from Cgy for Clark)

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Alex X 3? Sounds good, but I hope it doesn't go that way. IMO the Caps need high-end C and D prospects much more than Ws. I know you aren't supposed to draft needs, but Backstrom is the only potentially high-end C in the entire organization, and he hasn't played a game in the NHL yet.

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A high end RW is not a bad option if he is there.

I'd rather take that kid than a reach on a Defenseman (who is 3-4 years away at best) or a Center who might have some knocks on him.

RW is still a position of need. Fehr's a possibility, but still just that. Throw in a RW with some flash and finish, and this team would be down right deadly. Plus, I don't think he would be too far off in development. He already plays well in the RSL (more points than what? Malkin at his age?) give it another year, and it would be interesting.

However, I would be shocked if he gets past 5. (I wouldn't be against moving up though)

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I think you have to draft on the best player available...the prospect could be traded and better the prospect the better return.

As far as centers Esposito seems like a playmaker style Couture an offensive two way. Not sure if Turris projects to be a center in the NHL.

The defense in this draft, though it has depth and quality, doesn't excite me much. Even though Alzner is rated higher and is better O potential Ellerby intrigues me more...fast and rugged though inconsistent and doesn't show much O apparently.

Center, RW, and Defense (in no particular order) could use another high end prospect.

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Most people around here would say the Caps need to take the best defensman available. But as much as this team needs a top 4 defensman I am not sure another young defensman is what this team needs. This team has drafted 5 defensman in the 1st round since 2002, that is enough young depth in my opinion. This team needs a vet D much more than they need to spend another 1st rounder on one.

I think the Caps need to look at the best C/RW available.

I think Gagner is someone the Caps could take a hard look at if they end up with a pick around the 8 or 9 spot. Hunter seems to think pretty highly of this kid, and he could become a pretty good 2nd line center for the Caps. Couture is also a guy I have mentioned before as a guy I think would be a really nice fit here.

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Sutter wouldnt be a bad fit as Ovechkin's RW

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Yes, that is what I meant; If I recall correctly, the Clark trade had some 2007 pick swap as well as the 2006 pick. I have to look up/track down the details, but it was something like, 2006 7th and 2007 6th rounders to Calgary and Calgary gives Caps 2007 7th rounder. (whatever the details it was a great trade for the Caps)
Good stuff. Thanks for the heads up. I'd looked over the Clark trade only briefly before and just saw mention of conditional '06 picks. Looking into it further, the full deal was (according to the OMB):

To Calgary:
2006 6th rounder
2007 7th rounder

To Washington:
Chris Clark
2006 7th rounder

I'm not sure if that's right, though, since the Caps had two 6ths in '06 (used on Gwidt & Perreault) and no 7th. It may be that they got Clark & a 6th in '06 for a 7th in '06 and a 6th in '07. So, Clark for a 7th round pick more or less. Quite a steal on GMGM's part. No doubt about that.

As far as forwards go, if they're picking from 5-10 then I'd lean towards Cherepanov, Couture or Voracek. Couture seems like a safe pick that could turn into a very steady second line center. I've heard that he may be the most NHL-ready of the forwards (along with Cherepanov) based on his defensive awareness.

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Most people around here would say the Caps need to take the best defensman available. But as much as this team needs a top 4 defensman I am not sure another young defensman is what this team needs. This team has drafted 5 defensman in the 1st round since 2002, that is enough young depth in my opinion. This team needs a vet D much more than they need to spend another 1st rounder on one.

I think the Caps need to look at the best C/RW available.

I think Gagner is someone the Caps could take a hard look at if they end up with a pick around the 8 or 9 spot. Hunter seems to think pretty highly of this kid, and he could become a pretty good 2nd line center for the Caps. Couture is also a guy I have mentioned before as a guy I think would be a really nice fit here.
How's this:

Best prospect available, but I hope it's a c/RW?

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Alexei Cherepanov, RW, Omsk (RSL)



^^^ where do I sign?
AO, AS and now folks want AC.

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AO, AS and now folks want AC.
True, but this ones an Alexei

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Good stuff. Thanks for the heads up. I'd looked over the Clark trade only briefly before and just saw mention of conditional '06 picks. Looking into it further, the full deal was (according to the ...
I'm not sure if that's right, though, since the Caps had two 6ths in '06 (used on Gwidt & Perreault) and no 7th. It may be that they got Clark & a 6th in '06 for a 7th in '06 and a 6th in '07. So, Clark for a 7th round pick more or less. Quite a steal on GMGM's part. No doubt about that.

....
ha, well, some of that mess was posted by me and I had the years mixed up; I had someone with the Caps clarify it closer to the draft. I believe this is the correct version, but outside confirmation would be appreciated. The Caps 2 6th rounders in 06 were the Caps pick and one acquired from Buffalo (not Calgary).

To Calgary:
2007 6th rounder
2006 7th rounder

To Washington:
Chris Clark
2007 7th rounder

A great trade for the Caps, but confusing

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I'm all for a good defenseman prospect. But the problem is, they're packed with 3-5s already.

Don't really need another long range Jeff Schultz kind of a project.

If there's a kid that can be a #1 or #2 down the road, you take him. In lieu of that, I'm all for adding a forward that might have a higher ceiling.

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I want either:


John Blum

or

Zach Hamill


is that too much to ask??

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How's this:

Best prospect available, but I hope it's a c/RW?

Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

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