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01-21-2007, 12:54 AM
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I have plenty of reason to worry that our GM will deal a lot to land Forsberg. Look what he dealt for Lindros, who IMO had a much lower value. A top 5 pick in Brendl, a guy who was really looking like a steal in KJ, and a guy who played well for us in Hlavac who had chemistry with guys on our team.
Good point there about the Lindros deal. It's possible, but I don't see Sather wanting to give up a boatload of young assets, and I don't see Philly dealing within their own division to get burned, or even at the least, help out the Rangers.

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I mean, that was for braindead Lindros. Lindros who's bell was rung more times than any church bell. Lindros who's career was falling apart before our eyes. Lindros who wasn't really valued by any other team other than the Rangers.
Again, I believe back then, Dolan had more of a say when it came to trades like that because back then, I think that he still believed that the 1994 All-star forward team could win games. I believe he's stepped back a bit since, especially after the 04.

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This is Forsberg. A player that plays well in the playoffs and a guy who is still highly coveted around this league. 10x as coveted as Lindros is (quite ironic, no?) even in this day and age where he can't play anywhere but the Quad Hockey League without breaking his ankle or blowing a spleen or dying.
That's the problem, he's as oft-injured as Lindros was. The only thing is that Lindros had a year off from hockey when we traded for him. Apparently, some people still thought his career could be salvaged, and it almost was. His first season on broadway was pretty good.

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I am willing to bet that if WE landed him we'd lose guys like Prucha, Dubinsky, a 1st round pick, and a guy like Dawes.
I SEVERELY doubt that, maybe one of those guys and a 1st rounder, unless it turns into a bidding war. Depends on how many teams still have interest in him come the 27th of February.

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I don't trust this organization while Sather still has a job here. Remember, Dolan loves marquee players. Maloney can say whatever he wants. Fact of the matter is that he, at the end of the day, isn't the guy that signs off on the deals. Sather is. Sather answers to Dolan. If Dolan wants a guy like Forsberg, Sather will spend assets to get him and probably vastly overpay for cripple boy.

That's the brutal truth here, unfortunately.
I agree.

I don't trust the scouting staff enough to replenish our system again if we end up going into a bidding war for Foppa, so I'd rather not do it.

That last part is how it was earlier on in Dolan's tenure here. I think he's smartened up since the 04 purge. I could be wrong, but I really think that with way the last two seasons have gone, and especially with how mediocre we've been this season, I don't see him calling for a move like this. If we were a better team, and we looked like we were one or two pieces away from the cup, then yes, I'd have no doubt in my mind that Dolan would call for Sather to go out and get Foppa.

Another sticking point is that we could have had him and Naslund in August of 05, but Sather passed on it. Forsberg was MUCH healthier back then than he is now.

I see them having interest, but I don't see it developing into much, and I don't see Philly helping us out.

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01-21-2007, 01:04 AM
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at this point, philly is helping philly out. they will get what they think is the best package they can get for Forsberg regardless of who he goes to.

Ask yourself this
is 5 months of Forsberg >>> 5 years of Prucha?
and do you have faith in our D?

Carolina had an average D-line but they also had all the parts including Kaberle for the PP, Wesley w/ veteran leadership, and a group of solid defenseman types like A.Ward.

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01-21-2007, 05:35 AM
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Forsbergs curse is that he never got injured seriously enough.

His feets started hurting in sometime around 98'. Nobody knew what the problems were, but he had no problem playing through the pain. Though he said that he basically were in pain from that time untill he sat out the entire 2001-2002 season. Had a surgery, and he corrected the problem, a tendon that weren't in the right place. He got back, 100% and no real pain.

But playing with painkillers for 3 years, and a tendon in the wrong place, had caused other damages on his feet. One bone had been bent out of its place, not broken but bent several degrees the wrong way. It had gotten so bad that he could put his feet down, and then bend it inwards so much that his inside of his feet were parallel with the ground.

That bone were supposed to be fixed this summer, the doctors pretty much crushed the bones into several pices, then fixated it the rigth angle and let it grow back together. When that were done the reports were that his feets were supposed to be as good as "new". Though, apparantly now he don't have any stability in his foot. Thats something new after the surgery.

You can see it when he skates at times, like he can't push away at all. He can build up speed and turn, but when he trys to make sharp turns and break and go and stuff like that he looses all his speed and just ends up standing still.

The biggest reason for that is not because of any pain, but because since he doesn't have any stability he uses a skate thats extremely stiff, special made for his foot, so that it won't bend despite not having any stability in it.

There is a big diffrence between Bure and Forsberg. Bure's knee were done, that can never be fixed, and you can never skate well with a bum knee.

With Forsberg, the doctors really can't find any problems. They don't know the reason for why he don't have any stability. Its not a strength issue or something.

At the same time, it seems really unlikely for him to comeback to 100%, but at the same time he were pretty good last year beeing far from 100%.

Anyway, I would never want to give up much for him, and Philly will probably want a ton.

From my perspective, I wouldn't mind it if we were active if there were a bidding war situation for him at the deadline. I don't think we are the only team not prepaired to deal guys like Montoya for him. Though if he made some progress during the next month, he is gooing home to see the specialist that made the surgery on him during the all star break, I could defenitly live with something like a Immonen, Marek, Baranka and a 2nd for him, or something like that, and see if thats better then what any other team is prepaired to offer. I think all 3 of thoose guys would challenge for a spot for Philly right now. While its a ****** offer, I just can't see any other team renting him for a spring would be prepaired to offer much more for him. The overwhelming odds are that he won't be able to contribute much, for a great team its possible that he only would be a distraction. Though for us it doesn't seem like we got allot to loose.

And I don't have any real problems loosing thoose guys. We got good depth in HFD now, and 4-5 players comming up next season. If we don't belive in Immonen for example, why keep him around?

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01-21-2007, 09:14 AM
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And I don't have any real problems loosing thoose guys. We got good depth in HFD now, and 4-5 players comming up next season. If we don't belive in Immonen for example, why keep him around?
I don't think that's an unfair question, but it's exactly the thinking that went into the acquisition of Lindros. I'd pose this question as a reply:

If we don't believe in Immonen, why trade him for an old player who misses plenty of games; plays plenty more at less than 100%; is more than likely to retire or go to another city in a couple of months; and won't make this team a Cup contender anyway?

If we don't believe in Immonen, why not deal him for something that has the chance to offer a future rather then something which inadequately addresses the present - as the Lindros and Bure deals did?

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Report: Rangers keeping eye on Forsberg

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=193006&hubname=nhl




Here we go....




Does anyone really think this is the could possibly be a good thing? Looks to me like we'd be going down the Lindros path again.

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Alot of discussion about this on the rumors board

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I am not dying to get a playoff rental such as forsberg but it really depends on the price... i mean this is not damaged goods such as eric lindros, this is possibly the best player in the game who's name is not jagr when healthy, defintely solves our 2nd line center problem

could you imagine
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i am assuming they will want prucha, but they can't have tyutin, lundqvist, staal, or dubinsky

i'd be willing to talk about pretty much anyone else, but this is a trade for a rental so i am not going to overpay period

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01-21-2007, 05:02 PM
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Considering its essentially using the Dellapina story as its source, and we have a large thread already dedicated to this very subject, I would think this thread is officially redundant.

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when healthy
'Nuff said.

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'Nuff said.
which is why i wouldn't overpay, i certainly wouldnt offer a package nearly as good as the one clarke ripped sather off in order to acquire lindros, i will make an offer, but im not giving up the house, maybe just a room

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If the Rangers pick up Forsberg by trading Prucha (or anyone with a future)... well, I'm just going to laugh myself silly.

Picking up Forsberg is the dumbest idea the Rangers can implement. With the Rangers' luck, they'll get him, and he'll suffer a career-ending injury in 2 games on his new team.

Besides... as someone said earlier: He's not nearly old enough to wear a Rangers uniform.

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which is why i wouldn't overpay, i certainly wouldnt offer a package nearly as good as the one clarke ripped sather off in order to acquire lindros, i will make an offer, but im not giving up the house, maybe just a room
I really don't think the Lindros deal shafted us.

- Pavel Brendl was already a bust. He showed up to Training Camp in 2000 15 pounds overweight and was immediately cut and sent to Calgary. At that point, we knew Brendl was done.

- Jan Hlavac has done NOTHING since playing on the Czechmates line.

- Johnsson was the only one to bite us in the ass, and where is Johnsson now? We could use him now, but he isn't in Philly...

I honestly don't know why Clarke wanted Brendl so bad, it was well-known at that point that he had a bad work ethic.


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Well, the injury talk aside... he COULD end up in Atland or Buffalo, and end up dominating their playoff. It's alot of teams out there that are willing to offer much for him, you can't sit out with a arrogant attitude, if youre not totally confident in your own teams youth.

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I communicated with someone familiar with the Rangers thinking and take the Rangers "supposed interest" in Peter Forsberg with a grain of salt.The Rangers are committed to keeping the young players in the organization and are not making another trade such they have previously made where they surrender young assets/draft picks for a quick fix.If a deal makes sense long term,then they will pull the trigger.It comes straight from the horse's mouth


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Considering its essentially using the Dellapina story as its source, and we have a large thread already dedicated to this very subject, I would think this thread is officially redundant.
Someone is trying to punk the Rangers.Three stories coming out of the Philadelphia area with the same theme.I already posted links to two of them earlier.This is the third

http://www.delcotimes.com/site/news....id=18170&rfi=6

Did Paul Homgren gather all three Flyers beat writers in his office down in Voorhees and tell them the same story?It looks like Holmgren did.John Dellapina must have also been in the room

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Why would we need Prucha? Or Dubisnky or Immonen?
We are set at centers with Carter, Richards, Umberger, Potulny and coming up Downie. If Forsberg decides to resign with Rangers, fine! We still do not need Rangers centers (who won't outplay Carter, Richards etc) and we will have $ to sign any UFA. We need D and goalies: Tyutin or Staal or Sanguinetti or Montoya and 1st?

11 teams are lookng to get Peter? This is a great news for the Flyers if we looking to trade Forsberg...

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Why would we need Prucha? Or Dubisnky or Immonen?
We are set at centers with Carter, Richards, Umberger, Potulny and coming up Downie. If Forsberg decides to resign with Rangers, fine! We still do not need Rangers centers (who won't outplay Carter, Richards etc) and we will have $ to sign any UFA. We need D and goalies: Tyutin or Staal or Sanguinetti or Montoya and 1st?

11 teams are lookng to get Peter? This is a great news for the Flyers if we looking to trade Forsberg...

For one, Prucha's not a center, and Dubinsky can play the wing. However, most likely the story's a plant to establish a price range for Forsberg, by using the Rangers as a likely persuer. And, its unlikely the Rangers would move either Dubinsky or Prucha in such a deal.

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If the Rangers pick up Forsberg by trading Prucha (or anyone with a future)... well, I'm just going to laugh myself silly.
You won't have time to laugh yourself silly. If a deal like that went down, you'd be far to busy giving me a crash course on Devils history and introducing me to all the members of my new home on the Devils board.


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Besides... as someone said earlier: He's not nearly old enough to wear a Rangers uniform.
Hey!!! Only Rangers fans are allowed to say that. You're only allowed to think it over here.

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For one, Prucha's not a center, and Dubinsky can play the wing. However, most likely the story's a plant to establish a price range for Forsberg, by using the Rangers as a likely persuer. And, its unlikely the Rangers would move either Dubinsky or Prucha in such a deal.
Good.. Like I said.. I do not think the Flyers would be interested in both of them or any of them. We need D-man more then anything and Rangers have it.

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WOuld you guys trade Montoya and a mid lvl pick for a rental ?

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NO! Montoya is alot more valuable in my eyes, and as great as Forsberg has been, he is an extremely high risk on this type of team for injury city. look at how bad they push Jagr around, luckily he's a horse , especially next to a fragile guy like Forsberg, its just too risky at this point in his career, besides it still doesn't address the most pressing need, which is an upgrade of the defense.

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WOuld you guys trade Montoya and a mid lvl pick for a rental ?
No. This team is not a player away from competing for the Cup. Add in Forsberg's injury concerns and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, IMO.

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No. This team is not a player away from competing for the Cup. Add in Forsberg's injury concerns and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, IMO.
The question isn't whether we think the Rangers are one player away from competing for a Stanley Cup, the question is whether management feels that way. And how desperate they are to prove they are right.

Also, remember that Dolan said ticket prices go up again if the Rangers made the playoffs--they don't if the team misses the playoffs-additional pressure on Sather and Co.

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Good.. Like I said.. I do not think the Flyers would be interested in both of them or any of them. We need D-man more then anything and Rangers have it.
How do you know that the Flyers would not be interested in them, Holmgren?

You know NOTHING about any of them.

According to you, their trade value is down, since they are not having good years, like the almighty Carter and Richards, who - combined - have 25 points in 58 games.

Apparently, Kaktus Jack knows more about the Rangers than any of us do, therefore we shouldn't say a thing.

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what a joke. Yeah, cuz he plays a lot, right?

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