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01-23-2007, 03:47 PM
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Wouldn't you want Greene figuring in the future of the D somewhere?
Sure, I do -- particularly because so much time has been invested in his development. I like his game in the future, I just can't imagine them holding both Gilbert and Roy back who appear to have more of that puck movement capability. For the 6-hole they should platoon a veteran guy with the rooks to minimize their negative impact. As the Smid-Greene pairing has shown us, its better to have a little more veteran content back there.

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01-24-2007, 06:06 AM
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Alright, here's what I think is going to happen;

In about 2 weeks, Lowe makes a deal for a #4 type dman using picks/prospects/excess depth. Something like Sopel. I won't get into what exactly, I'll leave that up to Lowe.

At the same point, Mac-T will put together new lines, that look like this;

Smyth-Nedved-Pisani (this nick is way to easy... for P.N.S)
Sykora-Horcoff-Hemsky (nickname of the 'silencer' is dubbed, because people love lame nicknames)
Torres-Stoll-Lupul (a nickname of 'Whack and Crash' are given the trio)
Thoreson-Reasoner-Winchester (this line isn't cool enough yet to get a nickname)

The lines all seem to click at the same time, and the Oilers start a surge towards the Division title. They come to the deadline,just recently tying themselves for the division lead when Lowe smacks it to us. He takes a gorgeous prospect package, whoever it may be nessasary, with a pair of extra dmen, and he gives us a #1 dman for d-day, that's not UFA to be (or wants to stay in Edmonton and signs extension[Stuart would be nice]).

The lines stay the same until Staios and Moreau come back in time for the playoffs. At that point, we're looking like a true contender. Here's what we'd look like game 1 of the playoffs (I'll use the idea names to fill in the holes):

Smyth-Nedved-Pisani
Sykora-Horcoff-Hemsky
Torres-Stoll-Lupul
Moreau-Reasoner-Winchester (with Moreau added, this line becomes cool, but since Reasoner is boring, still doesn't get a nickname)
PB:Thoreson, Peterson (both versatile so can be brought in for just about any injury)

Smith-Stuart
Staios-Smid
Greene-Sopel
PB: Hejda (I'll say MAB had to go)

Roloson
Jussi

We ride it, all the way to a game 7 Stanley Cup final rematch against Carolina. The game goes to overtime. No goals, yet perhaps the most exciting playoff game ever. Both goalies outstanding. The teams play through an entire action packed 20 minute OT period, only to see themselves go back to their respective dressing rooms and regroup yet again. About half way through the 2nd OT period, after a nice play from Carolina, resulting in an easy Roloson save. Seeing this, Hemsky takes off the other direction, Roloson quickly bats the puck towards towards the opposing net. Having the jump on it, Hemsky easily gets the breakaway, comes in, dekes, backhand, top corner! What! No! He didn't just save that! Hemsky picks the puck up behind the net. There defense is next back, charging in quickly on Hemsky. Who's trailing there? Look, Moreau's charging in, Hemsky sees him. Hemsky slickly makes the pass to Moreau who roofs it in. The defensman finishes his check on Hemsky, causing him to fall. Moreau sees this, and starts a fight, beating the snot out of him. The goalie charges Hemsky, ducks and trips Ward. The rest of the team players on ice start fighting each other. All the Oilers win their individual fights. The team's clear the ice. Hurricane fans, now the loudest they ever have been, chant the Oilers on. The teams shake hands, congratulations are said....

And that's it, the Oilers get the Cup and everyone lives happily ever after.


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01-24-2007, 11:09 AM
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Alright, here's what I think is going to happen;

In about 2 weeks, Lowe makes a deal for a #4 type dman using picks/prospects/excess depth. Something like Sopel. I won't get into what exactly, I'll leave that up to Lowe.

At the same point, Mac-T will put together new lines, that look like this;

Smyth-Nedved-Pisani (this nick is way to easy... for P.N.S)Sykora-Horcoff-Hemsky (nickname of the 'silencer' is dubbed, because people love lame nicknames)
Torres-Stoll-Lupul (a nickname of 'Whack and Crash' are given the trio)
Thoreson-Reasoner-Winchester (this line isn't cool enough yet to get a nickname)

Am I missing something? What the heck is PNS?

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01-24-2007, 11:20 AM
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Hey would anyone object to the Oilers making this deal?

To Edm: Corvo

To Ott: Jacques, Tjarqvist

He's a puck moving defenseman that can quarterback a PP and can handle tougher minutes.

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01-24-2007, 11:23 AM
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Am I missing something? What the heck is PNS?
Perhaps that is how someone with a speach impediment would pronounce PMS?

I miss the STD's - Stoll-Torres-Dvorak and PMS - Pisani Moreau Stoll - or RPM

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01-24-2007, 11:28 AM
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Hey would anyone object to the Oilers making this deal?

To Edm: Corvo

To Ott: Jacques, Tjarqvist

He's a puck moving defenseman that can quarterback a PP and can handle tougher minutes.
Yeah i think i would object, the problem i have with him, is his massive $2.5 mil contract which is signed through beyond this year, and also i have heard his defensive covering is horrible, like atrocious. I would go for someone defensively aware before trying to fix our PP, lets get less goals against before goals for IMO.

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01-24-2007, 01:55 PM
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First of all, realize that very few UFA signs in Edmonton. Unless no one else was interested. if you disagree, which UFA has the Oilers signed in the last 10 years? 20 years? Nothing like arctic climates, canadian taxes, and canadian dollars to entice the free agents.

My moves:
1. Sign Smyth. 4 years $5.5, 5.5, 5, 4.5. If the Oil don't sign Smyth, then we're left with Torres or Sykora as our #1 LW and that's not that great imo.

2. Rolo is fine as the starter.

3. We really need to improve the D.

4. Unless Sykora signs to $2 million or less, he's gone.

5. I think Nedved after the debacle in Phoenix and Philly, would be willing to sign for cheap. Say 2 years $1 million each.

6. Apparently Boston is looking for some energy forwards, which we have in spades, and depth on defense. Trade Bergeron, 2nd round pick, Petersen, Winchester for Stuart.

7. While I like Jussi, I wouldn't sign him in the offseason.

8. If Shea Weber is truly available in Nashville, I'd definitely trade for him. But what does Nashville want? they've got depth everywhere, goal, defense, LW, C, Rw.

9. Or Pitkanen. But what does Philly want? Probably stuff for a rebuild for next season. Would Pitkanen for Bergeron or Greene, Lupul and a 1st rounder interest them?

Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - Stoll - Lupul
Pouliot - Nedved - Pisani
Moreau - Reasoner - Thorsen

Smith - Stuart
Staios - Hejda
Smid - Greene
Gilbert or Roy

Rolo,
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01-24-2007, 03:20 PM
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MacT would be gone. His inability to change up his system when it is painfully obvious that it isn't working would be the reason. MacT's philosophy is backwards. Our top 9 is as good as anyones in the NHL but they don't have a chance to be it. Instead of limiting scoring opportunites he should be encouraging a run and gun style.

It's like a casino.. the more you play the better chance the house has at comming on top because the casino has an edge. Edmontons forwards have an edge compared
to the rest of the NHL. If you gave Edmonton and another team (5) 2-1's. (15)3-2's
(3) breakaways and decided the game that way Edmonton would usually come on top becuase of we have the edge like I said at forward. The more odd man rushes in the game the more likely we are to come out on top. Instead MacT likes to limit other teams scoring chances and our scoring chances.. bur like I said when we have an edge this makes no sense at all!! A game plan like this makes perfect sense to Alain Vigneault in Vancouver because of the lack of scoring depth. MacT has the luxury of scoring depth but he doesn't use it. It start in our own end. We can't clear the puck right? We can't get the puck out of our own zone. Opposing teams D pinch 9/10 to keep the puck in. How do you combat this? Well, instead of having soft forwards trying to win a puck on the boards vs a pinching forward you cherry pick. Opposing D can pinch if they want but if they miss the puck a forward is heading the other way on a break away. We have the players, just let them loose MacT.

It's like in football..teams are blitzing/pinching every play yet MacT is playcalling for the short safe pass.. if someone is blitzing/pinching that means someone is open.. go for the deep pass.. you might miss the first 2 but if you keep sending bombs to Johnson/Hemsky they are too talented not to catch/score a big 1. And the other thing is if you hit someone with the homerun pass they now have to protect against it and won't be blitzing/pinching as much. Defense pinching is a huge problem right now and MacT needs to go for the jugular to combat against us. Once teams stop pinching on us and start respecting something called a breakout it will take alot of pressure off our D. The best way to protect against our D is to play the game in the offense zone, something that we don't do. We shouldn't be passing everything up the boards, our defense are cycling the puck to each other to much, because macT doesn't care how long we spend in our own defensive zone. As long as we keep everything to the out side. Nothing up the middle, all pucks off the glass up the boards.

Another way to combat the pinch is to pass the puck infront of your own net. It goes against everything they teach you in hockey but again if D are pinching up the boards that means the center is open. Teams are overloading us along the boards in our defensive zone, we need to take what the D gives us. If these guys are going to pinch every play we need to start making them pay and be aggresive not ultra conservative.

Again just to reiterate my point, with the team we have we should be aggresive playing for barn burners not playing conservative going for 2-1 games.

As soon as our D get the puck the forwards should rush right up the ice. If the D stay and try to pinch, the forwards will get breakaway passes. If the D protect against that they will have to skate backwards and out of the offensive zone, thus giving the defense more time and space to create a break out.


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01-24-2007, 03:32 PM
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Wrong, he's made plenty of 2-line passes leading to goals.
Bergeron has not made 5 two line passes all season, little alone ones that lead to goals. In fact, we should nickname him the "BLACK HOLE" because the puck goes back to him and never comes out. What is even harder to figure out is how he could have played 50 games paired with Pronger and not picked up on how effective long QUICK breakout passes are. Must not have been watching his partner in any of those 50 games. Which explains why he gets the nickname.... BH

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Hey would anyone object to the Oilers making this deal?

To Edm: Corvo

To Ott: Jacques, Tjarqvist

He's a puck moving defenseman that can quarterback a PP and can handle tougher minutes.
I wouldn't be a fan of that at all, but that's only because I'm not particularly fond of Corvo and his lengthy contract. There's better places to invest 2.5 million than a one-dimensional defencemen. I suppose it looks ok in terms of value, I would think Tjarnqvist has zero value at best on the trade market and Jacques value has probably plummeted slightly but I don't think Corvo would be a good fit here at all.

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01-24-2007, 05:30 PM
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At this point I would say we are still in it. So my 1st priority would be to aquire Stuart, if the price is too steep I pick up Brewer. And I sit back and pray.

If we fall out of it by the deadline, I deal Smyth if he will not resign for no more then $5 mil per. I deal Smith, it seems like he has lost his effectivness. I deal Markannan to a team looking for a backup insurance. Dal maybe comes to mind. I deal Peterson, lots of hustle but not in the plans for next season and would be a good energy forward on another team. Bring up Pouliot and let him play out the season in whatever postion MacT sees him playing next year in. Likely LW if we lose Smyth.

Assuming we get back nothing more then picks and prospects for the players I mention trading we move to the summer.

Goaltending I roll with Roli, and JDD (time to decide if he is going to be a player). On D I again try and sign Stuart, I resign Brewer, Staios, Bergeron, Smid, Greene and Hejda round out my top 6/7. If we are able to sign Stuart I deal Bergeron.

Up front I am fine with Hemsky, Lupul, Pisani, and 1 of Pouliot, Shremp, Winchester, Jacques on right wing. I am also fine with Horcoff, Stoll Reasoner and 1 of Pouliot, Schremp, Brodziak, Cogliano in the middle. On the left side there are question marks if Smyth does not resign I would like to add a LW in the $5 million range a Kariya, Hartnell (not for $5mill) and roll with Torres, Moreau and 1 of the countless prospects I named above.

So I guess to make this long story short, I still like the core of the team, if we could move Horcoff and sign a more offensive center I would love that, and D is going to be a question mark until the end of time I think.

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Am I missing something? What the heck is PNS?
Okay, I was only half awake at the time, but just think very juvenile, then say the letters outloud fast.

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Right, he both goes up the middle and throws the puck up the middle causing brutal turn overs that end up in the back of the net.

He's not playing well, all he's bringing to the table each night his the big shot, that's it.
Interesting how he has more assists than every other defenceman on the team with that big shot of his, eh?

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Okay, I was only half awake at the time, but just think very juvenile, then say the letters outloud fast.
lol ok that makes a bit more sense, you meant the p*n*s line. I thought you meant something to do with ladies days and got the letters wrong

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Interesting how he has more assists than every other defenceman on the team with that big shot of his, eh?
Yes, because last I checked you got assists for rebounds.

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First of all, realize that very few UFA signs in Edmonton. Unless no one else was interested. if you disagree, which UFA has the Oilers signed in the last 10 years? 20 years? Nothing like arctic climates, canadian taxes, and canadian dollars to entice the free agents.


Ummm.... Sykora? Tjarnqvist? Roloson?

You are right, there are reasons why Edmonton is not that enticing to UFA's, but taxes and the Canadian dollar are not included. First of all, all players get paid in U.S dollars, even by Canadian teams. Secondly, believe it or not, Alberta is probably one of the best places to earn a paycheck in terms of tax structure for guys in that tax bracket.

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