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01-21-2007, 11:56 AM
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Kapanen is the one UFA Holmgren will not try to Trade at the Deadline

Sami Kapanen - playing well on the top line. Biggest news about him is he's said recently that he waants to come back next year and not retire. Paul Holmgren confirmed that, and admitted the Flyers would try to resign him to a multiple-year contract and that he would be the one unrestricted freee agent at the end of the season that the Flyers will not trade at the deadline.

http://v2.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=4947

http://www.delcotimes.com/site/news....id=18170&rfi=6

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I like the decision to retain the youth, and the character (Kapanen).

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Well then, starting to believe more and more that Forsberg is going to play in the Garden. I really don't see what the big deal with Kapanen is...

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baffling. you want to have kappenen back next yera fine. Sign him when he is a free agent. the goal is to make this team better and acquire assets. keeping him now you lose the chance to acquire a pick/prospect which is mind boggling. yes he gives 100%, yes he plays hurt and sets a good example but there are plenty players available each year like him

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I said this in another thread...

It's hilarious how Holmgren will sign a washed up role plaer to a multi-year deal, but he'll trade the UFAs that actually could have a future with this team (Calder, Forsberg).

This guy needs to get a grip on reality. I don't feel safe with him as our GM.

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Good. He's worth more to us than we would get in a trade. If he wants to come back, he can stay.

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how is he worth more to the losingest team in the NHL? because of the "intangibles" he brings? I dont think any of the young guys on this team even care how he plays, which is sad in its own right. Dont give me leadership either as you can clearly see this team is leaderless. Move him for an asset regardless of what it is as he will not be part when this team is in true contention again.

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how is he worth more to the losingest team in the NHL? because of the "intangibles" he brings? I dont think any of the young guys on this team even care how he plays, which is sad in its own right. Dont give me leadership either as you can clearly see this team is leaderless. Move him for an asset regardless of what it is as he will not be part when this team is in true contention again.
This team should be in contention next year and if they're not the front office needs to be removed.

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This team should be in contention next year and if they're not the front office needs to be removed.
contention yes, I dont think a legit cup contender yet until we see what they do. The front office needs removal regardless. Kappy types are available all the time. he is ntto the diff between winning and losing. clean house and acquire assets that maybe you can use to acquire additional assets.

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I wouldnt mind sami coming back.

Kyle Calder needs to be resigned. The way he has been playing has been fantastic, and he shows a lot of chemistry with carter. Calder's lack of production early on may allow him to be signed at a cheaper price. A young winger that shows chemistry with our future #1 center and may be cheap...there is no reason not to sign him.

Idk what to do about forsberg...but trading him to the rangers would be shot in the heart to all flyers fans. A lot of teams want forsberg, and the rangers dont really have anything we need, there is no reason to trade him there...no reason at all.

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contention yes, I dont think a legit cup contender yet until we see what they do. The front office needs removal regardless. Kappy types are available all the time. he is ntto the diff between winning and losing. clean house and acquire assets that maybe you can use to acquire additional assets.
Was Carolina a contender last October? No.

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I mentioned this in another thread, but now that it has its own:

I would be fine with Kapanen coming back for next year, possibly one more after that depending on who is ready to make this team. I dont, however, want him taking a roster spot away from anyone who deserves it. The reason I think that it might be a good idea is because all of our young guys Ruzicka, Potulny, Giroux, etc. are all top 6 type players, or at worst the best offensive player on a third line to balance the attack. I dont think any of these guys fit in the bottom 5 players or on the 4th line and would be a waste there. Kapanen fits this role and could be the skilled guy on a 4th "shut down" line if we get a good center in here. He could be the short term solution until Downie, Cabana, etc. get a shot.

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Calder Carter Forsberg/FA
Sanderson Richards Potulny
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Fedoruk, Afanasenkov, Ruzicka

Future - Downie, Giroux, Nodl, Cabana, Bellamy, #1 pick this year.

Depending on what they do and who they resign, we could potentially have too many forwards. I think Potulny has earned a spot in this line up and is a waste on the 4th line. Fedoruk and Afanasenkov can play full time. I think Umberger is a waste on the 4th line too. Its a good problem to have, but a problen none the less.

I do agree that Calder should be resigned. Holmgren scares the **** out of me!!!!!

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I think its time to explore moving umberger

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The thing is, Hitch used Umberger as a winger, and played well with Carter. Stevens had Umberger in the AHL, and he was a center there, and Stevens has switched him back to center. His drop off in production may be attributed to that

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Was Carolina a contender last October? No.
that is not the norm and if the queen had balls she would be king. if you think by adding a several free agents they will be cup contenders fine, unless one of those acquisitions is a goalie and a new coach forget about it. this team is a mess. if these players play yht same way next year, you still think they will contend with f/a they add?

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I have no problem with Kapanen coming back for another year or two. I have a problem with Paul Holmgren being the GM of this team after April.

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baffling. you want to have kappenen back next yera fine. Sign him when he is a free agent. the goal is to make this team better and acquire assets. keeping him now you lose the chance to acquire a pick/prospect which is mind boggling. yes he gives 100%, yes he plays hurt and sets a good example but there are plenty players available each year like him
what kind of pick/prospect do you expect for him? He is worth more to this team than any other because he wants to be here - why that is I have no idea...

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what kind of pick/prospect do you expect for him? He is worth more to this team than any other because he wants to be here
He gives his all every night. To me, it isn't about production. As odd as that sounds, to see a guy like him, who is playing on a last place team, and is still giving his all says something about his character. If Kapanen wants to be a Flyer come next year I'm all for it. Maybe guys like him are a 'dime a dozen' but to me, he is the Flyers right now. He's the only one who looks like he wants to be out there right now.

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He gives his all every night. To me, it isn't about production. As odd as that sounds, to see a guy like him, who is playing on a last place team, and is still giving his all says something about his character. If Kapanen wants to be a Flyer come next year I'm all for it. Maybe guys like him are a 'dime a dozen' but to me, he is the Flyers right now. He's the only one who looks like he wants to be out there right now.
Actually, he is one guy I would like to see retire as a Flyer. As long as he is on the "4th" line and not taking ice time away from a younger player, I am fine with him being here.

Thing is, I saw Afanasenkov as kinda the replacement for Kapanen. It is looking more and more like Afanasenkov probably wont have a place on this team next year. Not a huge loss obviously, but I wanted to see him given a chance.

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multi year deal? Well I hope it won't be for a big $...

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multi year deal? Well I hope it won't be for a big $...
I am guessing they only mean 2 years. Anything more then that would be beyond stupid.

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what kind of pick/prospect do you expect for him? He is worth more to this team than any other because he wants to be here - why that is I have no idea...
He is nto worht more as they sit in last place. Doesnít matter, this team needs to acquire assets. Even if it is a 4th rd pick. Maybe you use that pick with another player/pick to move up or acquire decent prospect or player. Kappenen makes no difference on this team. Obviously the way he plays hasnít rubbed off on the other players, which is a whole diff story, so why not trade him? He wants to return next year as a free agent fine for a 4th line role. But to not trade him is bad asset management, plain and simple.

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I am guessing they only mean 2 years. Anything more then that would be beyond stupid.
I'm sure that's all it will be for, and he will sign cheaply.

He should definatly be re-signed. There is an alful lot of dead weight this team has to drop, but Kapanen isn't one of them.

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As one poster pointed out: he's got more value to PHILLY than he would have in trade value.

Hes a great veteran to have around and for a last place club, he is instrumental with his leadership and effort.

PHI has a lot of youth and need some veterans to help them along, 3rd/4th line and extra next year of:

Umberger-Richards-Downie
Fedoruk-Potulny-Kapanen
Eager

doesn't look too bad, compared to the mismash they've had this year...

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