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01-24-2007, 07:44 AM
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Best Czech Players Ever?

And how do you rate them among other players, including both Canadians and Russians?

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01-24-2007, 09:13 AM
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1970-2006:
Nedomanský, Hlinka, Martinec, Jiří Holík, Machač, Pospíšil, Růžička, Holeček, Hašek,
Jágr.
Difficult to pick one, I was born in 1984 so I'd choose Jágr or Hašek as I couldn't
see the rest playing in their prime. My father says Martinec was the best one before
1989, while Jágr is the best all-time.
Most of these 70's and 80's Czech greats admit that the best Soviets were better
than them. Again, it was Tikhonov and his methods. The Soviets used to practise 10 hours a day under him. (I couldn't believe this but I have it from a reliable source.)


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01-24-2007, 09:23 AM
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The best Czech-born player ever? Stan Mikita. One of the best all-round players to ever play the game.

In terms of Czech born and trained, Hasek, Jagr and Nedomansky would be my top three.

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Jagr and Hasek are better than Mikita.

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Jagr and Hasek are better than Mikita.
I'll take Peter Stastny thank you.

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Stan the man ... great all-around player, scorer and, late in his career, a real defensive pest ... drove Bobby Orr into such a rage that Orr shot the puck at him (and hit him in the butt) late in a 73-74 game in Chicago. Brought all the ingredients, most competitive European player I've ever seen with a nod to Boris Mikhailov.

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Jagr, Hasek, Mikita.

I would rate Hasek as #1.

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Jagr, Hasek in top, followed Nedomansky.

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Jagr and Hasek are better than Mikita.
Mikita was a better all-round player than Jagr. Mikita was close to, if not Jagr's equal offensively, and was better defensively and more physical. A better playoff player, too. Would have won a Conn Smythe if it existed back in the early 60s.

Not that it enters into the equation when comparing centres and right wingers, but Mikita's one of the best ever in the face-off circle, too.

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You mean Czech or Czecho-Slovakian players?

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01-24-2007, 12:19 PM
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Yes, both Czechs and Slovaks.

Anyway, my list would be Jagr, Hasek, Martinec, Nedomansky, Hlinka, Pospisil, Peter Stastny.

I consider Mikita to be Canadian player.

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Yes, both Czechs and Slovaks.

Anyway, my list would be Jagr, Hasek, Martinec, Nedomansky, Hlinka, Pospisil, Peter Stastny.

I consider Mikita to be Canadian player.
If we're counting Slovaks into the equation, then Stastny definitely deserves to be on the list, No. 4 after Mikita (if he counts), Hasek and Jagr.

Stastny was one of the best playmaking centres who ever played the game. Imagine what he would have done if he entered the league before the age of 25. Hard to believe that he never played 1,000 games in the NHL.

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Well if we're including Slovaks, here's my all-time Czechslovak all-star team amongst players I saw at their best:

Jagr P.Stastny Bondra
Chara T.Kaberle

Hasek

Mikita was likely better than Stastny, but I never saw him at his best and IMO he shouldn't be included since he was trained and raised in Canada.


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You mean Czech or Czecho-Slovakian players?
When Stastny played I believe he was Czech not Slovak.

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I know it's difficult to compare positions, but nobody was as dominant as Hasek.

A case can be made for Hasek being the best ever at his position......the same can't be said for Jagr, Mikita, Stastny, Nedomansky, etc.

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I know it's difficult to compare positions, but nobody was as dominant as Hasek.

A case can be made for Hasek being the best ever at his position......the same can't be said for Jagr, Mikita, Stastny, Nedomansky, etc.
I would agree with this. I would say Hasek and Mikita at the top with the nod to Hasek followed by Jagr and Stastny. Mikita couldn't be called the greatest centre of all time, but he is in the crapshoot that is 4-10 after Gretzky, Lemieux, and Beliveau(I have him 6th behind Clarke and Morenz). Top 10 all time in the position with the deepest pool puts him pretty damn close to Hasek IMO.

During the regular season Mikita and Jagr might be close, but when the games start to really mean something Mikita pulls way ahead.

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When Stastny played I believe he was Czech not Slovak.
He surely is Slovak, trust me .

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When Stastny played I believe he was Czech not Slovak.
Oops...
Yes, he's is Slovak as 12#Bondra said, and frankly, Št'astný would take your post
as an insult probably. He's a Slovak patriot, one would even say a Slovak
nationalist.
There are also some disputes on Nedomanský's nationality.

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Mikita was a better all-round player than Jagr. Mikita was close to, if not Jagr's equal offensively, and was better defensively and more physical. A better playoff player, too. Would have won a Conn Smythe if it existed back in the early 60s.

Not that it enters into the equation when comparing centres and right wingers, but Mikita's one of the best ever in the face-off circle, too.
Jagr was a superior player to Mikita in every way. So was Hasek.

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Oops...
Yes, he's is Slovak as 12#Bondra said, and frankly, Št'astný would take your post
as an insult probably. He's a Slovak patriot, one would even say a Slovak
nationalist.
There are also some disputes on Nedomanský's nationality.
I remember hearing that Nedomansky were a Slovak. Though its just something I have in the back of my head...

Jagr, Hasek and Nedomansky are my top 3.

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Jagr was a superior player to Mikita in every way. So was Hasek.
It's so easy to say that one player is better than the other one without giving reasons. I don't have a problem with someone saying a player is better than another certain player, but when you don't give reasons you have no arguement.

Jagr wasn't superior to Mikita in anything. He was a better goal scorer than Mikita but not by much. Jagr has been in the top ten in goals 7 times and also was Mikita. Playmaking ability Mikita gets the edge here too. He finished in the top 5 in assists 8 times while Jagr has only finished in the top 5 five times. Jagr has one more Art Ross Trophy than Mikita but Mikita has one more Hart Trophy than Jagr, which is a much more important trophy to win.

Where Mikita is superior to Jagr is defensive play, physical play and playoffs. Mikita was a great penatly killer where Jagr rarely kills penatlies. Mikita brought a physical game where Jagr doesn't and Mikita was also the better playoff performer. Mikita, if the Conn Smythe was awarded back then, would have one where Jagr hasn't got close to one.

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1970-2006:
Nedomanský, Hlinka, Martinec, Jiří Holík, Machač, Pospíšil, Růžička, Holeček, Hašek,
Jágr.
Difficult to pick one, I was born in 1984 so I'd choose Jágr of Hašek as I couldn't
see the rest playing in their prime. My father says Martinec was the best one before
1989, while Jágr is the best all-time.
Most of these 70's and 80's Czech greats admit that the best Soviets were better
than them. Again, it was Tikhonov and his methods. The Soviets trained 10 hours
a day under him. (I couldn't believe this but I have it from a reliable source.)
Actually the russians were together for over 300 days of the year. They didnt even get to go home. I seen a document about this. I cant remember was it 300 days or was it even 350 days

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Based on their NHL careers:

1. Jagr
2. Mikita (Czech born) Jagr is #11 and Mikita is #12 on my list of alltime greats.
3. Peter Stastny

Hasek is clearly the best goaltender

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Mikita was Slovak born (for those who dont know) .

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