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01-25-2007, 05:42 PM
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As stated before all this gives the Flyers is Halak (who I would certainly value in any potential trade with the Habs), a move up of about 5-10 draft spots, and Samsonov, who has nothing but negative value to the Flyers. If the rumors of 10+ teams inquiring about Forsberg are true, this offer should be easily beaten.

Take out the 2nd from the Flyers and it looks much better.
fine, throw in Ryder vs Ellison

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Know anything about a puck or a hockey stick???
I prefer hard-working players who will spend years with the CH like Lapierre. Kostitsyn doesn't float my boat. He's lazy, pretty soft, albeit skilled but doesn't have great speed. He didn't exactly endear himself to Carbo during his callup.

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A 2nd isn't going to come back from the flyers. You are talking about moving up in the draft about 5 picks from our 2nd to your first. That's a pointless swap.

If this deal goes down for a player like ryder or samsonov, holmgren should be shot dead. We need a top prospect up front or a steady d-man.
You don't need a goalie ? Halak is the best in the AHL right now and he's just 21. The Habs still have Price in their system.

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Ok, some quick calculations of Forsberg's salary for the rest of the year :

Philadelphia has played 47 games which is 0.57 of the year.
Forsberg's annual salary is 5.75M$
Forsberg's salary for the beginning of the year is : 3.28M$
Forsberg's salary for the rest of the year is : 2.47M$

So, if we follow this rumour, the mid level roster player has to have a salary of 1.47M$ and higher for the rest of the year so a annual salary of 3.42M$ or higher (1.95M$ + 1.47M$).

An available mid roster player with a salary of 3.42M$ or higher has to be Sergei Samsonov.
Yeah, but that's if the deal happens now. If the Flyers deal him in late February at or near the deadline, the financial picture is completely different with around ~1M in cap space giving us the ability to add a player with a ~4M cap hit since 3/4's of the season is over by then.

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01-25-2007, 05:47 PM
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It can be like Kovalev vs Balej + 2rd round

Forsberg

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D'Agostini + 2rd pick

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A 2nd isn't going to come back from the flyers. You are talking about moving up in the draft about 5 picks from our 2nd to your first. That's a pointless swap.

If this deal goes down for a player like ryder or samsonov, holmgren should be shot dead. We need a top prospect up front or a steady d-man.
Don't expect to have too much in return for a 5.57M$ (2.47M$ for the rest of the year) rather old vet who has a lot of problems staying healthy.

A 1st + mid level roster player is probably the max value for Forsberg right now.

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It can be like Kovalev vs Balej + 2rd round

Forsberg

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D'Agostini + 2rd pick
keep dreaming, lol.

Im watching sportscentre right now and they just talked about who would win the Forsberg sweepstakes and the habs never came up at all, but Dreger is an idiot, so..

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You don't need a goalie ? Halak is the best in the AHL right now and he's just 21. The Habs still have Price in their system.
Halak would definitely be a nice piece.

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Don't expect to have too much in return for a 5.57M$ (2.47M$ for the rest of the year) rather old vet who has a lot of problems staying healthy.

A 1st + mid level roster player is probably the max value for Forsberg right now.
i disagree

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It can be like Kovalev vs Balej + 2rd round

Forsberg

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D'Agostini + 2rd pick
Can't happen, we would go over the cap

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Oh my god, we're all blind, not Sergei Samsonov...Alex Kovalev

That would explain the cap space:

Kovalev 4.5
1st rounder
possible mid-roster player (as said on Spector), maybe Rivet?

for

Forsberg 6.0

The wool over my eyes has been lifted, Kovalev was never mentioned in an official rumour this year, so, for all you doubters, maybe Kovalev is on the way out...

This is just a theory.

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If we'd get him mid-February or after, his cap hit would be only 1.5M or less. So big salary dumps wouldn't even be necessary. Btw, does anyone know how much do we have cap space left?

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keep dreaming, lol.

Im watching sportscentre right now and they just talked about who would win the Forsberg sweepstakes and the habs never came up at all, but Dreger is an idiot, so..
OT a bit...but I work Tech Support here in Toronto and the other day Darren Dreger called to get help with his product and I was lucky enuff to get the call...I swear...I wanted to tell him that I thought he was the biggest moron, but unfortunately I had to keep it professional cuz they record our calls

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This is just a theory.
That's why you're not Einstein

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Oh my god, we're all blind, not Sergei Samsonov...Alex Kovalev

That would explain the cap space:

Kovalev 4.5
1st rounder
possible mid-roster player (as said on Spector), maybe Rivet?

for

Forsberg 6.0

The wool over my eyes has been lifted, Kovalev was never mentioned in an official rumour this year, so, for all you doubters, maybe Kovalev is on the way out...

This is just a theory.
Overpayment IMHO by us.

There's no guarentee that Forsberg will even be healthy come playoff time.

Just a quick question: Are teams allowed to do something like, Forsberg for Kovalev and a Conditional 1st if we get to the Conference Finals?

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That's why you're not Einstein
I never said I was.

What's wrong with my theory anyway?

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why are you all so excited about this? I wouldnt give much for a soon to be UFA player who'll probably get injured after a few games anyway.

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I prefer hard-working players who will spend years with the CH like Lapierre. Kostitsyn doesn't float my boat. He's lazy, pretty soft, albeit skilled but doesn't have great speed. He didn't exactly endear himself to Carbo during his callup.
Lazy - that would be why he is one of the hardest working players on the Bulldogs this year. It would also explain why he has made steady improvements to his game throughout his time in Hamilton. Each time he has gone from Montreal to Hamilton, he has picked his game up and worked on the aspects of his game he has been asked to focus on, hence the improvement.

Pretty soft - exactly, can't stand guys who can lay opponents out with their checks or work hard on the boards and come away with the puck. Or guys who can weave through traffic with the puck while they have a defenceman on their back.

Doesn't have great speed - well, he isn't as fast as a guy like Grabovski, that is for sure. But he is hardly even 'average' in terms of speed. He can beat a defenceman to the front of their own net from the outside though, so he's fast enough.

Can't really complain about the rest of your post as its mainly your opinion with the comment about Carbo, which is true, otherwise he might have stayed in Montreal longer. But your analysis of his game is somewhat wide of the mark, as have been a few other comments I've seen posted about AK lately from various people. Apparently his understanding of English is holding him back, yet he gave an English interview to CJAD when he was called up for the first time this year. It's also been said that he has lacked intensity recently, which is news to me. I know not everyone is a fan of the guy but I don't see where some of the recent comments I've seen about him are coming from (unless the answer is 2005, in which case I can understand it somewhat).

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when i see it on tsn or sportsnet they i will believe.

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why are you all so excited about this? I wouldnt give much for a soon to be UFA player who'll probably get injured after a few games anyway.
same...

my offer:

Perezhogin + 2nd pick + Niinimaa(salary dump)

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Foppa

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when i see it on tsn or sportsnet they i will believe.
TSN and Sportscentre are Toronto-biased sports networks.

And what, something from freickin Montreal, the team 990, is less reliable than that leaf-biased crap.

Please.

And no comment about the FAN 590

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Lazy - that would be why he is one of the hardest working players on the Bulldogs this year. It would also explain why he has made steady improvements to his game throughout his time in Hamilton. Each time he has gone from Montreal to Hamilton, he has picked his game up and worked on the aspects of his game he has been asked to focus on, hence the improvement.

Pretty soft - exactly, can't stand guys who can lay opponents out with their checks or work hard on the boards and come away with the puck. Or guys who can weave through traffic with the puck while they have a defenceman on their back.

Doesn't have great speed - well, he isn't as fast as a guy like Grabovski, that is for sure. But he is hardly even 'average' in terms of speed. He can beat a defenceman to the front of their own net from the outside though, so he's fast enough.
Good post. Way too many people apply the overused and stupid 'European stereotype' around here without seeing the guy play enough to make a judgement.

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fine, throw in Ryder vs Ellison
Considering Ellison will likely never amount to more than an NHL journeyman, that basically amounts to throwing in Ryder to that deal. So, basically Ryder, Halak, a move up of likely around 5 spots, and negative value in Samsonov. Samsonov's negative value more than takes away any positive value that the move up in the draft creates.

That would basically boil down to Halak + Ryder for Forsberg. Doesn't do much for me, to be honest. I'd much rather have a 1st than Ryder, solely considering the Flyers' needs. I still think there are likely better deals out there for the Flyers. I would certainly be pleased to add Halak to the system though.


Besides, I think the ones proposing Ryder or Kovalev are missing the whole point of trading for Forsberg. Obviously it would still improve your team, but you are looking to add to your roster for the playoff run, not to replace guys in your top 6. Why would any team looking for a rental for the playoffs trade their 3rd or 4th leading scorer? They wouldn't. That's why it will almost certainly be picks, prospects, and/or insignificant roster players.

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The title of this thread is misleading. Unless a deal has actually happened it remains a rumour. I got all excited for a second.

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The title of this thread is misleading. Unless a deal has actually happened it remains a rumour. I got all excited for a second.
You're darn right. The title is misleading. IT IS STILL A RUMOR !

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