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01-26-2007, 05:21 PM
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yeah well like EE brought up.. we might not even shop for biron or a goalie, cus this new Assistant GM is set in his ways of making a team good by drafting and developing players.. so who knows

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01-26-2007, 05:50 PM
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I won't vote, but let me nominate:
Stu Barnes and Jason Woolley for Chris Wells
Pavel Bure for Igor Ulanov and Filip Novak.
Dan Boyle for Ryan Johnson
Viktor Kozlov for Viktor Uchevatov and Christian Berglund
Scott Mellanby for David Morrisette
Rhett Warrener for Mike Wilson
Jaroslav Spacek for Anders Eriksson
2008 1st round pick (#1 overall, Vincent Lecavalier) for Viktor Kozlov

oh, yeah - Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek, and a 3rd round pick this year for Alex Auld, Bryan Allen, and Todd Bertuzzi. Thanks, GP



I've got more but am having a real problem remembering names today.
No big deal but Ryan Johnson was acquired for Vaclav Prospal. Boyle was traded for a 5th round pick.

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01-26-2007, 06:04 PM
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No big deal but Ryan Johnson was acquired for Vaclav Prospal. Boyle was traded for a 5th round pick.
that's pretty darn bad as well. sheez! take a look at their respective careers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1707 (johnson)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1549 (prospal)

yikes.

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01-26-2007, 08:56 PM
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totally agree- its not blind faith either, this can be easily reached


martin will have to open up the wallet tho for giguere, id love to see him here, but seriously speaking, could we really get giggy?
Why not? If it's obvious that we need goaltending heading into next year, Martin is not just going to stand pat. He will acquire somebody, whether that be through UFA(Giggy, Biron) or a trade. Martin doesn't want to miss the playoffs for three years in a row and risk getting fired. We will have plenty of cap space, I don't see why we couldn't get Giguere. I for one am willing to believe ownership and management's new pledge to put a winner on the ice. I may be in the minority, and call me a fool if you like, but that's just what I believe.

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01-26-2007, 09:01 PM
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the 6th rounder was used to pick winger Sergei Shirokov. He currently has 31 points in 38 games in the RSL. The Canucks will most likely bring him over next year to see what he can do.
Yeah, it definitely wasn't useless. Shirokov would be our 3rd best forward prospect right now behind Frolik and Booth.

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01-26-2007, 09:06 PM
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yeah well like EE brought up.. we might not even shop for biron or a goalie, cus this new Assistant GM is set in his ways of making a team good by drafting and developing players.. so who knows
Yeah, but there's no reason we can't do both. Sign Giggy or Biron this offseason or make a trade, then in the next couple of years draft a goalie, plus we also have Foster up at UNH who looks to be a good prospect, although he is 3+ years from seeing the pros.

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01-26-2007, 09:23 PM
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No big deal but Ryan Johnson was acquired for Vaclav Prospal. Boyle was traded for a 5th round pick.
No problem - I had the exact details of a lot of trades wrong. What'd we get when we traded Johnson to you guys in the first place?

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01-26-2007, 10:28 PM
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IF IF IF

Bertuzzi leaves and the Panthers get nothing for him

Luongo and Lukas Krajicek and Sergei Shirokov for Auld and Allan I think will win this shame game by a tko

The fact of what Luongo has shown this year is legit enough reason for Keenen never to get another job in the nhl

Keenen could lay claim to being part of the two best deals the nucks have done

First was getting Bertuzzi, McCabe and Ruttu for Linden and then getting the canucks Luongo for Bertuzzi. I know on the nuck board I am in the minority, but I like Lukas Krajicek .

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01-27-2007, 12:28 AM
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more to the Warrener trade

First off, they traded Warrener because the dumb and dumber murray brothers hated him personally, ..... He goes on to be a first line defenseman for years, and the clincher is that with the pick we "threw in" the Sabres selected goaltender Ryan Miller, who is twenty times better than Luongo.

Kuba for Rocky Thompson.
Boyle for nothing (thanks iron head mike)
Spacek for Erikkson

all top line d men still in the league


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I know I haven't contributed here in awhile, but you can rest assured that if the words "trade" and "Panthers" are put together in the same sentence, then the Panthers get the short end of the deal.

Except for Luongo/Jokinen for Parrish/Kvasha, the Panthers have a horrible trade history.

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01-27-2007, 09:29 AM
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No problem - I had the exact details of a lot of trades wrong. What'd we get when we traded Johnson to you guys in the first place?
Mike Sillinger.

Now you ripped us off in that trade.

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01-27-2007, 09:39 AM
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I know I haven't contributed here in awhile, but you can rest assured that if the words "trade" and "Panthers" are put together in the same sentence, then the Panthers get the short end of the deal.

Except for Luongo/Jokinen for Parrish/Kvasha, the Panthers have a horrible trade history.
The Valeri Bure for Van Ryn trade worked out well for us.

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The Luongo trade is a bad one IMO because I think we could have gotten more (and I think throwing in Krajicek was ridiculous). I think it's a stretch to call it the worst trade in Panther history at this time. I think at the end of NEXT season when Luongo is halfway through his contract and Bertuzzi has signed (or left), Auld has sunk (or swam) and Allen has developed (or festered) we'll have a much better idea of how things turned out.

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One of the reasons I believe the Luongo trade will go down as the worst of all time is the players we COULD have gotten in return.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't these two deals on the table?

Ottawa offered Havlat, Emery and Volchenkov
LA offered Frolov, Garon, Brown

Somehow, we take the worst deal out there.

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One of the reasons I believe the Luongo trade will go down as the worst of all time is the players we COULD have gotten in return.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't these two deals on the table?

Ottawa offered Havlat, Emery and Volchenkov
LA offered Frolov, Garon, Brown

Somehow, we take the worst deal out there.
I remember them as rumors, but don't recall any of them substantiated in the press.

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I remember them as rumors, but don't recall any of them substantiated in the press.
The LA one was far more rumor since nothing solid has been proven. However, I do remember some type of proof regarding the Ottawa deal. I don't have the article or anything, but I think it was the Ottawa Sun that confirmed that.

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One of the reasons I believe the Luongo trade will go down as the worst of all time is the players we COULD have gotten in return.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't these two deals on the table?

Ottawa offered Havlat, Emery and Volchenkov
LA offered Frolov, Garon, Brown

Somehow, we take the worst deal out there.
The Ottawa offer was Havlat, Emery, Phillips, and their 2006 #1 pick.

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IF IF IF

Bertuzzi leaves and the Panthers get nothing for him

Never gonna happen.

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Never gonna happen.
Agreed. He's either signed (on paper or in principle) or moved by the trade deadline.

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Luongo and Krajicek for Bertuzzi Allen and Auld

VERY CLOSE 2ND

(Its been 10 years or so can you believe it???) Barnes and Woolley for Chris Wells
That 2nd trade,I will always remember That was the end of our CUP run as we knew it.I might flipflop Luongo trade to #1 in next year (Luongo deal had outside circumstances that we do not need to dig up again). 39,we twins or something

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One of the reasons I believe the Luongo trade will go down as the worst of all time is the players we COULD have gotten in return.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't these two deals on the table?

Ottawa offered Havlat, Emery and Volchenkov
LA offered Frolov, Garon, Brown

Somehow, we take the worst deal out there.
L.A. would not give up Brown in the package,if you believe the rumour.

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Surprised no one has mentioned this one.

Sean Burke for Mikhail Shtalenkov plus a swap of picks.

Think of how the season went down. If we had kept Burke, we would never have needed to trade Dvorak for Mike Vernon and we might have been able to hold off Washington for the Division title. Thus, we would have avoided playing New Jersey who had our number every time we played them. That whole playoff run might have gone a lot differently if we didn't have that whole goalie mess going on.

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01-28-2007, 09:18 AM
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In addition to the others mentioned...how about:

Kevyn Adams and a fourth rounder for Ray Whitney

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Surprised no one has mentioned this one.

Sean Burke for Mikhail Shtalenkov plus a swap of picks.

Think of how the season went down. If we had kept Burke, we would never have needed to trade Dvorak for Mike Vernon and we might have been able to hold off Washington for the Division title. Thus, we would have avoided playing New Jersey who had our number every time we played them. That whole playoff run might have gone a lot differently if we didn't have that whole goalie mess going on.
Yes we made that trade because Kidd was playing awesome for us. Panthers managment wanted to save 1M$ on payroll so they dealt for Sthlenkov. Kidd went down and Sthalenkov would have become the #1 but he didnt want to be the #1 he was just happy being the backup and sitting on the bench collecting a paycheck. We ended up trading Dvorak for Vernon. Vernon was solid but Burke played a very strong season for us then and continued that with his new team too. Dvorak played very solid game back then and could have helped us out hugely. He was like a Kolnik who could score.

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In addition to the others mentioned...how about:

Kevyn Adams and a fourth rounder for Ray Whitney
To be fair, in the opinion of Panther Management at the time, Whitney was traded more to get him out of the lockerroom than in what they could get in return for him. They regarded him as a cancer. And, while a while back, I think the Warrener trade was similar. Management thought his early success had gone to his head, he was a rookie on a Cup Final Team and he didn't want to put the effort in to improve himself which of course he did after he was traded which perhaps happened because he was traded.

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