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01-26-2007, 09:45 AM
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Is Stuart the anwser?

There has been a lot of talk about Brad Stuart being the anwser for our defence. I'm not sure he is the best choice (40 gp, 16 pts, -12). Personally I think we should target Adam Foote. He is a shut down kind of defenceman, he mkaes good decisions, and good passes. He isn't an offensive threat (although he does have 11 points) but he would certainly help out with the cluster ***** that occur in our zone. Plus he has stanley cup rings!

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Foote is also a -18 this year... and the difference in goal differential between Columbus and Boston isn't that great (in fact, Boston's is worse).

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01-26-2007, 10:46 AM
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There are not many sole players in this league that could be labelled as "the answer" to this team's problems. These players are few and far between, and for the most part, are untouchable. Unfortunately, one such player is Chris Pronger, and we all know that he won't be coming back to Edmonton.

Therefore this isn't one player that would provide the solution to our woes, however, Brad Stuart would definitely help.

The answer in my opinion:
- 2 solid defencemen
- 1 hard-nosed, checking veteran

Get it done KLO!

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01-26-2007, 10:53 AM
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I think Stuart could be the answer, in addition to other moves, and this year's stats don't scare me nearly as much as having him for 3 months that we don't need him. The only way we acquire Stuart is if we have some sort of guarantee (conditional 1st). If SJ doesn't want to re-sign, hopefully he would re-sign with us, but if not we would have 3 - 1sts.

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Brewer > Stuart

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01-26-2007, 11:35 AM
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There are not many sole players in this league that could be labelled as "the answer" to this team's problems. These players are few and far between, and for the most part, are untouchable. Unfortunately, one such player is Chris Pronger, and we all know that he won't be coming back to Edmonton.

Therefore this isn't one player that would provide the solution to our woes, however, Brad Stuart would definitely help.

The answer in my opinion:
- 2 solid defencemen
- 1 hard-nosed, checking veteran

Get it done KLO!
I think Foote is equal to pronger in terms of defensive zone play, physicality, and decision making. He also has one thing pronger doesn't have....championship rings!

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01-26-2007, 11:39 AM
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Brewer > Stuart
What, did Eric Brewer cure his cough, I would take Stuart over Brewer any day of the week.

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01-26-2007, 11:40 AM
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I think the Oil are better off targeting a dman that might be willing to resign in Edmonton. Stuart is not one of those guys. He wants to go down south for California to be with his wife and new born child.

Brewer is certainly the best option. IMO Somebody who likes Edmonton and also has the skill to improve the team.

Don't expect the new guy to be the new Pronger though or you will all be dissapointed.

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I think Foote is equal to pronger in terms of defensive zone play, physicality, and decision making. He also has one thing pronger doesn't have....championship rings!
Probably right.. but Foote is also a lot older, and as each year passes his quality of play continues to go down hill.

Not to mention he has a NTC would he waive it to come all the way up North to Edmonton? I think he has a pretty comfy pre-retirement position with a fairly rich although loosing team. Nevermind a division rival of Colorado. Doubtfull. Not to mention is he even on the trade block?

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I'd rather have Bowmeester. But thats not gonna happen either.

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I think Foote is equal to pronger in terms of defensive zone play, physicality, and decision making.
I don't think he's anywhere close to Pronger in regards to play in his own end. Foote does not have anywhere near the presence in his own zone that Pronger does. Pronger (speaking strictly defence), controls everything in the defensive zone. Foote is nowhere close to that. In fact, I don't think Foote is much better than Smith in his own end.

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He also has one thing pronger doesn't have....championship rings!
He's done something Pronger has never done... play on one of the worst teams in the league.

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I don't think he's anywhere close to Pronger in regards to play in his own end. Foote does not have anywhere near the presence in his own zone that Pronger does. Pronger (speaking strictly defence), controls everything in the defensive zone. Foote is nowhere close to that. In fact, I don't think Foote is much better than Smith in his own end.



He's done something Pronger has never done... play on one of the worst teams in the league.
Didn't pronger play for Hartford?

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I wouldn't mind getting Stuart, but not if he wants 4+ million per year. He's a good, puck-moving d-men, but I'm not convinced that he is a real #1-2 defencemen. That being said, he might be the best the Oilers can do, since tons of teams are looking for puck-moving defencemen, and there's only a few available.

.... And I wouldn't touch Foote with a 10-Foote pole. He's simply past his prime, and we desperately need a puck-moving defencemen, which isn't his strength.

This is all CFP's fault. Lowe got a good d-men in Smid, but I like our defence a lot more with the gap-toothed one, which is unfortunate considering his character.

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Brewer > Stuart
If you're talking about the number of on ice F-bombs screamed so loud that it caused cyclists in Beijing to wipe out against the side of mailboxes, then we are in agreement.

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Well one thing I will say for Stuart is he is one of the best D men in the league at making the breakout pass.

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Well one thing I will say for Stuart is he is one of the best D men in the league at making the breakout pass.

Then the Bruins must be terrible at scoring on the rush because Stuart only has 9 assists this year.

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I don't think that one defenceman is the answer, we need two guys back there who can log some minutes. My ideal situation is to see Lowe acquire both Boynton and a guy like Stuart - Boynton would be a good long-term fit and he'd replace Smith on the backend eventually while Stuart would be a good rental for the playoff drive (although I have a feeling he might cost a bit too much strictly as a rental). I can dream though...

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The answer in my opinion:
- 2 solid defencemen
- 1 hard-nosed, checking veteran

Get it done KLO!

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The answer in my opinion:
- 2 solid defencemen
- 1 hard-nosed, checking veteran

Get it done KLO!
Whoops, I think I double posted. Anyways, I would say that we don't need to trade to get that hard-nosed checking veteran. We got moreau coming back for that. But we do desperately need help on D. Problem is, so does everyone in the league pretty much and everyone except a few teams are still in playoff hunt.

Carolina has a few extra d-men right now though. And they do owe us for us letting them win game 7.

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I think the Oil are better off targeting a dman that might be willing to resign in Edmonton. Stuart is not one of those guys. He wants to go down south for California to be with his wife and new born child.

Brewer is certainly the best option. IMO Somebody who likes Edmonton and also has the skill to improve the team.

Don't expect the new guy to be the new Pronger though or you will all be dissapointed.
agreed...Stuart wants to be back in California...he wont be here

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If you're talking about the number of on ice F-bombs screamed so loud that it caused cyclists in Beijing to wipe out against the side of mailboxes, then we are in agreement.
Maybe they'll just think we're screaming about Fukifuji?

As for the topic at hand..

If Tjarnqvist and Staios are both healthy; yes.

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I'd rather have Bowmeester. But thats not gonna happen either.
Bowmeester hates Edmonton and rejected going to Edmonton is the supposed rumour with Florida.

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Bowmeester hates Edmonton and rejected going to Edmonton is the supposed rumour with Florida.
Link? You got anything to substantiate that?

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Brewer > Stuart
I dunno about that one. I think Brewer is a better fit for what Edmonton needs. I think he had a few promising years when he was younger. I think he would be a great fit for the OIl as long as they can pay him less then 3.5mil. I don't think he is worth any more than 3 + mil.

If Stuart comes, Smyth goes, it's a pretty simple decision IMO.

Edmonton needs two top 4 goes, not necessarily a number dman. There aren't many Prongers around or available. Those that are available are gonna be expensive.

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Bowmeester hates Edmonton and rejected going to Edmonton is the supposed rumour with Florida.
He doesn't have a NTC so why would the opinion of an uner 25 year old dman be considered. I personally believe that there never was a deal for Boumeester. If there was I think Lowe probably would have taken that deal over the one he got, unless he was being greedy with the prospect of Smid and the two firsts. I really don't think Florida even made a serious inquiry into Pronger or Lowe probably would have taken bow

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