The ultimate goal of any hockey team is to win the Cup. When Calgary traded Hull, they got Ramage and Wamsley, maybe not stars, but it could easily be argued that they helped win Calgary a Cup. Thats all that matters.
Sometimes you need good veterans who are solid, give you depth and good in the room, more than a 20yr old goal scorer with a chip on his shoulder.
(dont get me wrong, I love Hull, but until he got to Dallas, he was not a team player in my opinion)
Not stars? Ramage was a Norris Trophy winner, and once Gary Suter went out with an injury in the playoffs, he stepped up(so did MacInnis). Without him, it might not have happened.
I still cry at how we reinvigorated the Leafs franchise with the Doug Gilmour trade - especially when the rumour was around that Ron Francis could have been available in a straight swap.
Friggin Gary Leeman.
[QUOTE=WhalerBoy][QUOTE=feff]Not stars? Ramage was a Norris Trophy winner,
sorry, but i dont think rob ramage ever won the norris trophy. At least not according to hockey database.
that said, i agree with you (i think), in that he was a VERY valuable addition.
My err - candidate - until I find the article I read stating he won (or possibly, contested) the Norris. Either way, he was a good pick up, though I would have like to see Hull don the Flaming C longer.
I think it was some interest we owed the Blues after fleecing them in the Gilmour trade.
Speaking of which, his name pops up here a lot. Wonder if he's the player most likely to be involved in a lopsided trade?
There have been loads of bad Montreal trades of almost the same magnitude. 4 bona fide NHLers, including future 2-time Norris winner Rod Langway, to Washington, for 2 players, Ryan Walter and Rick Green comes to mind. John Leclair, Eric Desjardins and Gilbert Dionne were a lot to pay for Mark Recchi, as good as he was then. Not getting anything for the likes of Eric Weinrich, Vincent Damphousse and Bobby Smith was not terribly inspired either: they were not just good players, but pillars of the team.
i remember that one, wasn't his full name Christer Olsson, what the hell was the Sens GM at the time thinking? i don't think he was at all.
Demitra was a ninth-round pick who had scored only 12 goals and 26 points in 59 games as a Sen (under half a point a game, in a much more offensive time than today), scattered over three separate seasons of trying (and failing) to establish himself with the big club.
They were thinking the same as everyone else was thinking - like most managers, they did not have the gift of future sight. All they had to go on was what they saw up to that trade - and there wasn't much to see.
Can't think of one for Atlanta Stephen? How about Marc Savard to Atlanta. Calgary recieved an ECHL player in return.
Originally Posted by Stephen
Anaheim - Selanne to San Jose
Atlanta - can't think of one
Buffalo: Andreychuk and Puppa and 1st rounder to Toronto for Fuhr
Calgary: Doug Gilmour trade, Brett Hull trade
Chicago: Hasek to Chicago
Carolina/Hartford: Ron Francis, + to Pittsburgh, Pronger for Shanahan
Colorado: Mats Sundin to Toronto, Theo Fleury trade
Dallas: can't think of one
Detroit: trading Marcel Dionne to LA. Trading for Ulf Samuelsson, trading Adam Graves to Edmonton
Edmonton: Messier to Edmonton, Weight to St. Louis
Florida: Jovanovski trade to Vancouver for Bure, trading the Lecavalier pick to get Viktor Kozlov
Los Angeles: Bourque pick to Boston for nothing
Minnesota - ?
Montreal: Chelios to Chicago, Roy to Colorado
New Jersey: can't think of one
Islanders: too many to list
Rangers: Zubov for Kevin Hatcher
Ottawa: Demitra to St. Louis
Philadelphia: trading away the 1990's for Lindros
Pittsburgh: Naslund to Vancouver
St. Louis: can't think of one
San Jose: flipping the Lecavalier pick to get a hold of Bryan Marchment
Tampa Bay: Hamrlik to Edmonton
Toronto: Sittler to Philadelphia, Parent to Philadelphia, Courtnall for Kordic
Vancouver: Neely to Boston
Washington: letting Scott Stevens go, or trading Carter, Allison and Carey to Boston
Phoenix/Winnipeg: Selanne trade to Anaheim
Lindros was the best player in the deal until injuries mounted. More important than being the best player involved though was the spark he caused off the ice. Flyers were flagging at the time, Lindros re-lit the fire of a hockey city. Plus, acquiring 'The Next One' sold the Flyers to Comcast. No Comcast, no juicy money streams and no First Union Center (now the Wachovia Center).
RE: Dallas' Worst Trade
It was a few years before they moved, but the Stars sent Hall-of-Fame bound Larry Murphy in his prime to Pittsburgh for a pair of grunts (Jim Johnson and Chris Dahlquist).
Small one to add: Willie Mitchell for Sean O'Donnell.
O'Donnell was pretty bad during his stint with NJ. Best shown by him getting scratched in games 5 and 6 of the Cup Finals for the defensive stalwart known as Ken Sutton. Mitchell in the mean time has turned into a pretty solid defender.