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02-02-2007, 03:25 PM
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Worst Trade Ever

Had a chuckle thinking about this today, and wanted to know what everyone thought was the worse trade in team history. Was it Gilmour et al. for Leeman et al.?Or perhaps Savard for Zainullin? Or something else.....

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02-02-2007, 03:27 PM
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Had a chuckle thinking about this today, and wanted to know what everyone thought was the worse trade in team history. Was it Gilmour et al. for Leeman et al.?Or perhaps Savard for Zainullin? Or something else.....
overall? or in flames history?... the Gilmour one would be the worst... Savard is a moot point as he wanted out and the Flames just took a risk on a prospect who never came over

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02-02-2007, 03:32 PM
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.. the Gilmour one would be the worst...

I would have to agree. That's the worst one that comes to mind right now.

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02-02-2007, 03:33 PM
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i don't think hull for wamsley and ramage really worked out in calgary's favor.

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i don't think hull for wamsley and ramage really worked out in calgary's favor.
2 contributors to a stanley cup... and hull wasnt expected to be anywhere near as good as he was... its like faulting them for releasing martin St. Louis.... he did nothing in calgary and went undrafted... who would have known?

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i don't think hull for wamsley and ramage really worked out in calgary's favor.
Much like the Pitkanen for Fedotenko and a couple 2nd Rounders didn't work out for Tampa Bay.

Anyways, the Gilmour one would be the worst, as Gilmour was a much better player than Savard was and we might have gotten the 5 worst players of the 8 involved.

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Ever? Joe Thornton for Stuart Sturm and Primeua

Worst for the flames? Gary Leeman Hands Down!

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he did nothing in calgary and went undrafted... who would have known?
Wrong on both counts. Hull was indeed drafted by the Flames, just in the 6th round in '84. Cliff Fletcher told other members of the hockey staff that he expected Hull would go on to be a 50-goal scorer. His output exceeded the wildest expectations, but they had a pretty good idea of what they were giving up.



Other franchises:

The Blackhawks received Stephane Beauregard and a washed-up Christian Ruutuu (wasn't that good to being with, come to think up of it) for Dominik Hasek.

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Actually Badger, go back and read his post. He was referring to St Louis being undrafted and doing nothing in Calgary.

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Actually Badger, go back and read his post. He was referring to St Louis being undrafted and doing nothing in Calgary.
Stand corrected. (The style is not always easy to read.)

Yeah, St. Louis has been written about ad nauseum. He was used in a checking role in Calgary, and probably did as much as he could've under the circumstances without complaining. Same with Giguere. Every organization has those things happen.

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Much like the Pitkanen for Fedotenko and a couple 2nd Rounders didn't work out for Tampa Bay.
Have to disagree there, Tampa Bay won the Cup after a strong playoffs from Fedotenko where he scored two goals in the final game to clinch the cup for the Lightning.

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02-02-2007, 07:32 PM
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Ever? Joe Thornton for Stuart Sturm and Primeua
pfft. have you heard of a guy named Lindros?

lets recap.

sending six players (including Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall and Steve Duchesne), two first-round draft choices and $15 million to the Nordiques for Lindros. One of the picks netted them Jocelyn Thibault, who was then packaged with Ruchinsky and Andrei Kovalenko for Patrick Roy and Mike Keane.

I don't think theres much doubt that trade won Colorado all those cups.

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Ever? Joe Thornton for Stuart Sturm and Primeua


haha, wow. take the easy way out much??


thats not even close to the worst trade ever. not even considerable.

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pfft. have you heard of a guy named Lindros?

lets recap.

sending six players (including Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall and Steve Duchesne), two first-round draft choices and $15 million to the Nordiques for Lindros. One of the picks netted them Jocelyn Thibault, who was then packaged with Ruchinsky and Andrei Kovalenko for Patrick Roy and Mike Keane.

I don't think theres much doubt that trade won Colorado all those cups.
Forsberg, alone, was worth the price of Lindros. The fact of the matter was that there was impatient GM work done by whomever ran the show in Quebec at the time. Other teams were sweetening the pot, and a deal from the Rangers got rejected. So, it's possible that even more could've been extracted from Bobby Clarke.

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revisiting the Gilmour-Leeman trade

The Doug Gilmour-Gary Leeman trade had to be the worst in Flames history. Here's the recap for those who weren't around then or can't remember:

to Toronto:

Doug Gilmour
Jamie Macoun
Ric Nattress
Rick Wamsley
Kent Manderville

Macoun was a solid defenseman who had some good years left in him. Nattress was out of hockey a couple of years later, as was Wamsley. Kent Manderville was a prospect at the time, who's chances were already fading. Gilmour was the obvious key here, but aside from him the Flames didn't give up a whole lot.

to Calgary:

Gary Leeman
Alexander Godynyuk
Craig Berube
Jeff Reese
Michel Petit

Leeman was supposed to be the key guy here. A couple of things factored into this trade. Doug Risebrough, the Flames' GM at the time, was dealing with former Flames GM Cliff Fletcher, who'd been like a mentor to Riser. Risebrough didn't believe that his buddy would fleece him. Also whispering in Riser's ear was (I think) the Flames Head Scout, who'd been absolutely sold on Leeman since his junior days. Also, fans should remember that Gilmour had left the team in midseason at the time of this trade, and the Flames, still a contending team at the time (haha), weren't in a position to just let him sit. Leeman was just a year or two removed from a 50 goal season in the NHL at the time but accomplished nothing as a Flame, unfortunately, and was traded to Montreal midway through the following season, having scored 11 goals in 59 games with Calgary. As for the others, the Flames got a year of solid service from both Reese and Berube. Petit was a spare part, and Godynyuk had some promise at the time, but never panned out. If we'd included, say, Carey Wilson in this deal instead of Gilmour, it wouldn't have been too bad.

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02-03-2007, 11:43 AM
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overall? or in flames history?... the Gilmour one would be the worst... Savard is a moot point as he wanted out and the Flames just took a risk on a prospect who never came over
I thought the prospect was Tarathukin. Is this incorrect?

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i don't think hull for wamsley and ramage really worked out in calgary's favor.
there were 6 players from St.louis that played on the 89 cup winning team. That was a depth move for a player who didn't want to be here and a team that knew they couldn't afford him.

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I thought the prospect was Tarathukin. Is this incorrect?
nope flames drafted taratukhin if i remember correctly... they traded for Zanulinin (i cant spell his name)

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nope flames drafted taratukhin if i remember correctly... they traded for Zanulinin (i cant spell his name)
That's correct. The Flames drafted Taratukhin 41st overall in 2001.

Ruslan Zainullin was originally drafted 34th overall in 2000 by the Lightning, before being acquired in the Savard trade. That trade still bugs me. Not that I disagreed with sending Savard packing, but surely Button could have gotten more for him, especially if he'd acted before the Gilbert-Savard fiasco. Talk about the dark days.

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That's correct. The Flames drafted Taratukhin 41st overall in 2001.

Ruslan Zainullin was originally drafted 34th overall in 2000 by the Lightning, before being acquired in the Savard trade. That trade still bugs me. Not that I disagreed with sending Savard packing, but surely Button could have gotten more for him, especially if he'd acted before the Gilbert-Savard fiasco. Talk about the dark days.
i think it was more of a revenge thing... afterall Savard continued his losing ways in Atlanta... and now they are continuing in Boston... coincidence? maybe but 550+ games into his career he still has yet to see a playoff game

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