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01-26-2007, 05:30 PM
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A Brief Look at Next Season's Oilers

Just looking ahead to this offseason, and how much room we have, providing any moves we make between now and the deadline involve only draft picks, prospects, and UFAs. This is how it breaks down:

Players Under Contract:

Forwards (8)
Hemsky - $4.1M
Horcoff - $3.6M
Pisani - $2.5M
Lupul - $2.312M
Stoll - $2.2M
Moreau - $2M
Reasoner - $0.95M
Thoresen - $0.57M

Defencemen (4)
Smith - $1.976M
Staios - $2.7M
Bergeron - $1.064M
Smid - $0.915M

Goalies (1)
Roloson - $3.667M

Total (13) - $28.53M

This leaves us with about $15.5M to fill a roster, based on us having a $44M payroll

Fortunately, our 3 RFAs shouldn't be big money players:

- Winchester could likely be kept near the minimum, or traded and replaced with a minimum salary player.
- Greene around $1M or just over.
- Torres will probably end up with a similar contract to Stoll, I'd assume.

That gives us around $12M of cap space, and about 4 spots to fill. Obviously, re-signing Smyth, and bringing in a top 4 defenceman are going to take up the bulk of that, but the remaining spots are for the backup goalie and 4th line center, so even if Smyth and a top 4 defenceman end up costing us $10M for the pair, we can easily find a backup goalie and 4th line center (preferably LH) for under $2M. Keeping Sykora is another thing altogether.

Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Torres - Stoll - Pisani
Moreau - Reasoner - Lupul
Thoresen - ***** - Winchester

Top 4 defenceman - Smith
Smid - Staios
Bergeron - Greene

Roloson
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Keep in mind, this is without any offseason trades, training camp surprises, or RFA offer sheets (I could definately see Torres getting one from a team like the Sharks).

What kind of things do you see happening in the offseason, and who do you see filling our final 2 (or 4) spots?

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01-26-2007, 05:51 PM
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I thought Nedved was signed for another year?

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My feeling is that Thoresen won't be back next year.

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when did we get $44 million to spend on the team again?

I remember us at around 38, where did that extra 7 come from?

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01-26-2007, 05:56 PM
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when did we get $44 million to spend on the team again?

I remember us at around 38, where did that extra 7 come from?
This can easily spend to the cap and continue to make money. It's not even a question.

With the cap going up $44,000,00 would still leave us with more than enough space.

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01-26-2007, 05:58 PM
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when did we get $44 million to spend on the team again?

I remember us at around 38, where did that extra 7 come from?
Exactly. The Oilers dont have the luxury of spending to the cap max. People tend to easily forget that we have a team budget, which I would imagine stays at around 37-39 million next season.

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Exactly. The Oilers dont have the luxury of spending to the cap max. People tend to easily forget that we have a team budget, which I would imagine stays at around 37-39 million next season.
Despite some of the most expensive tickets in the league and a playoff run that generated a minimum of $12,000,000 profit last spring?

This team was in the black BEFORE the lockout. The Canadian Dollar is much higher since then and the fans are paying a helluva more to get in.

Pat Laforge is certainly getting the job done though. I can't even begin to imagine how many Oiler fans believe that the Oilers are cash strapped.

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Despite some of the most expensive tickets in the league and a playoff run that generated a minimum of $12,000,000 profit last spring?

This team was in the black BEFORE the lockout. The Canadian Dollar is much higher since then and the fans are paying a helluva more to get in.

Pat Laforge is certainly getting the job done though. I can't even begin to imagine how many Oiler fans believe that the Oilers are cash strapped.
Oilers tickets are just slightly above the league average, not even close to being some of the most expensive.

If the team stuck to their budget this season right after the massive inflow of playoff revenue, I am pretty confident they will stick to it next season as well.

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I thought Nedved was signed for another year?

Nope

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Our cap right now is just over 40 million, I don't know why some of you think its going to down to 37-39.

We will be above 40 sure, my guess is around 42.

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Our cap right now is just over 40 million, I don't know why some of you think its going to down to 37-39.

We will be above 40 sure, my guess is around 42.
I wasnt sure of the exact numbers. I was just confident that the Oilers have their own team budget, which will always be less than the league salary cap.

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Oilers tickets are just slightly above the league average, not even close to being some of the most expensive.

If the team stuck to their budget this season right after the massive inflow of playoff revenue, I am pretty confident they will stick to it next season as well.
http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cfm..._nhl_06-07.cfm

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If the team stuck to their budget this season right after the massive inflow of playoff revenue, I am pretty confident they will stick to it next season as well.
I don't want to put words in his keyboard, but I think the issue PDO is trying to address is not "if" they will stick to their budget, but "should" they raise the budget?

Less of a factual issue and more of a debatable one.

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My Bad, I quickly googled it before, and must have misread it the first time.

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I don't want to put words in his keyboard, but I think the issue PDO is trying to address is not "if" they will stick to their budget, but "should" they raise the budget?

Less of a factual issue and more of a debatable one.
Thanks for putting words in my keyboard, jerk!

You nailed it. The Oilers have the complete ability to spend to the cap and turn a profit. That's while their investment is growing at a rapid rate according to Forbes. That's also with a 12% raise in ticket prices that put them to 6th highest in the league.

The Oilers have 0 excuses in regards to budget constraints.

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My Bad, I quickly googled it before, and must have misread it the first time.
No worries, my stats there could just as easily be wrong.

For the facts of this argument which are only as accurate as the internet, the Oilers are hosing their fans

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Years ago we were spending about $30M US and were reportedly roughly breaking even. At that time, the Canadian dollar was worth about $0.65 US. That comes to $46M Cdn. With the dollar now at around $0.90 US, $46M Cdn equals about $41M US. Considering that ticket prices have risen enormously, I fail to see why this team can't afford to spend well in excess of $40M and still make a sizeable profit.

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Odd that they still have us paying for programs, and cheaper beer.

I can't believe we're more expensive than Toronto.

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Odd that they still have us paying for programs, and cheaper beer.

I can't believe we're more expensive than Toronto.
Especially since Toronto could practically set ANY price and they would still fill the building.

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Years ago we were spending about $30M US and were reportedly roughly breaking even. At that time, the Canadian dollar was worth about $0.65 US. That comes to $46M Cdn. With the dollar now at around $0.90 US, $46M Cdn equals about $41M US. Considering that ticket prices have risen enormously, I fail to see why this team can't afford to spend well in excess of $40M and still make a sizeable profit.
Because Pat Laforge is great at spinning and Joe Sixpack isn't smart enough to realize what you just posted (and no, that's not directed at anyone in this thread).

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Odd that they still have us paying for programs, and cheaper beer.

I can't believe we're more expensive than Toronto.
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No worries, my stats there could just as easily be wrong.

For the facts of this argument which are only as accurate as the internet, the Oilers are hosing their fans
I think a possible explanation is that the Oilers are in a much smaller arena than the ACC, so their average ticket price is higher due to not having as many cheap seats.

I'm sure Toronto's gross is much higher even if the Oilers had a higher average.

There's also something funny done with luxury boxes in the reporting of ticket prices, can't remember exactly what it is though. If they're excluded that would further why the Oilers ticket average ticket prices could be higher.

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I think a possible explanation is that the Oilers are in a much smaller arena than the ACC, so their average ticket price is higher due to not having as many cheap seats.

I'm sure Toronto's gross is much higher even if the Oilers had a higher average.

There's also something funny done with luxury boxes in the reporting of ticket prices, can't remember exactly what it is though. If they're excluded that would further why the Oilers ticket average ticket prices could be higher.
I've heard something similar, IIRC it's something along the lines of the highest priced tickets don't count towards the average or something to that effect.

I don't dispute we have high tickets, but I don't necessarily completely buy those numbers.

There are some discrepancies there for sure.

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Agreed with the discrepancies note. I would think Toronto has a higher ticket price, simply because they can set higher prices without really affecting attendance.

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To bring this thread back on topic:

I don't see any way for Pouliot to not make the big club and still be with the organization next season. He already seemed disappointed with starting in the AHL this season and I can't see how he would accept another season that way. He's also approaching that point of no return as a prospect...

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Great Thread Misfit Was wandering what was the situation next year

Well if we have $28.53 mil tied up next season, I'll assume that we are still stingy and have a self imposed cap of $41 mil, thus leaving us 12.47 mil to spend

Priority #1.) Sign Smyth to a contract extension of 5 mil/yr for 5 years with a NTC. (I dunno i'm assuming players like that sort of stuff and then he'll sign )

After this movement it leaves us:

$ 7.47 Mil to spend.

Priority #2.) Sign a #1 puck moving top notch D-man. Say Brad Stuart wants to play for the Oilers. Sign him to a $6.0 Mil/yr for 4 years contract.

After this, we have:

$ 1.47 Mil to spend.

#3.) We call up Brodziak and his Rookie enterance level contract $ 0.450 mil, (is that right??)

$1.02 Mil to spend.

#4.) Trade Bergeron (assuming it doesnt happen now) for say a draft pick and free up his salary.

1.02 +1.064 Mil = $2.084 Mil.

#5.) Sign Hejda to a contract extension worth $1.1 Mil/yr for 2 years (he shouldn't get a significant raise should he? )

Leaving us with = 0.984.

#6.) Bring up JDD for Back-up duties. He should be ready. $450k

Our Total Cap hit in the end is $40.466 Mil

Lineup:

Smyth-Horcoff-Lupul
Torres-Stoll-Hemsky
Moreau-Reasoner-Pisani
Thoreson-Brodziak-Winchester
Peterson

Stuart-Smith
Hejda-Greene
Staois-Smid
Gilbert

Roloson
JDD

Not to shabby if i do say so myself Anyway thats my crack at it...feel free to add changes.


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