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01-27-2007, 10:59 AM
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Man this sucks. There is no one that is really wowing me this draft.

Here is Mckeen's top 10 as of right now.

1 - Angelo Esposito C
2 - Karl Alzner D
3 - Jakub Voracek RW
4 - Patrick Kane RW
5 - Sam Gagner C
6 - Keaton Ellerby D
7 - Sergei Korostin C
8 - Kyle Turris C
9 - Logan Couture C
10 - James van Riemsdyk

I dunno, the top end talent seems pretty light this year.

I would be quite happy with Kane. I really like his game and think he will turn out to be better then Gagner

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01-27-2007, 11:15 AM
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Im not at all confident in the Oilers ability to A) Draft competent players and B) Develop the competent players they do manage to draft.
Now draft player is not a problem.
Develop is, MacT do not like insert any rookie in the line up
or even give them any change. Like Hejda for example,
how much he play at the beginning of the season,
when injure hit the team, he has no choice but put Hejda in.
Now look how much ice time Hejda has.
The way MacT due with rookie is not developing them,
is killing their confident.

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Which puts them right on target for Tommy Cross in 10th, a 6' 3" defenceman. What are the odds, eh?
While I wouldn't mind Cross at 10- Horcoff's skating in Pronger's body- I'd rather we grabbed one of Ellerby, Plante or Hickey. I see a lot of Chris Summers in Cross, and Summers has five points in 30 NCAA games. Not terrible, but if we're going after a stay-at-home guy with the 10th pick, I like Petrecki a lot more.

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I would be quite happy with Kane. I really like his game and think he will turn out to be better then Gagner
As would I, he possibly has the most potential out of anyone in the entire draft IMO. That being said, I really don't see us picking in the top five. We may not be playing the greatest hockey at the moment but I don't think we're that bad. If I were guessing, I'd say we end up with the 10th pick. In around there, I'd be thrilled with a guy like Logan Couture. Of course, if we become sellers at the deadline the top 5 could become more of a reality.

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01-27-2007, 01:17 PM
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How many other teams have 7 players they drafted and developed in their roster in the last few years. I'm willing to bet most teams which compare had higher draft picks.
Seems like a fair question. How many teams HAVE 6 (since Bergeron was a FA) players they drafted AND developed on their roster.

Anaheim (5)... Getzlaf, Perry, O'Brien, Bryzgalov, Brent (McDonald, Kunitz, Penner, Shannon were all free agent signings that no one else had previously signed as an example of what FA add to a team, and there are lots of them around the league)

Atlanta (6)... Kovalchuk, Slater, Exelby, Coburn, Lehtonen, MacKenzie

Boston (6)... Allen, Toivenen, Stastny, Stuart, Bergeron, Kessel

Buffalo (13)... Tallinder, Afinogenov, Campbell, Kalinin, Peters, Kotalik, Miller, Novotny, Roy, Pominville, Vanek, Paetsch, Stafford

Calgary (6)... Kobasew, Moss, Phaneuf, Lombardi, Boyd, Prust

Carolina (6)... Cole, Tanabe, Wallin, Ward, Staal, Ladd

Chicago (6)... Ruutu, Keith, Seabrook, Barker, Kukkonen, Wisniewski (Hamilton was a FA)

Colorado (8)... Sakic, Stastny, Hejduk, Liles, Svatos, Richardson, Sauer, Budaj

Columbus (8)... Nash, Zherdev, Fritische, Klesla, Johnson, Brule, Tollefsen, Leclaire

Dallas (10)... Jokinen, Lehtinen, Modano, Morrow, Miettinen, Eriksson, Daley, Ott, Turco, Tjarnqvist

Detroit (10)... Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Franzen, Kronwall, Hudler, Filppula, Kopecky, Osgood

Florida (7)… Horton, Weiss, Bouwmeester, Olesz, Campbell, Booth, Stewart

Los Angeles (7)… Frolov, Cammalleri, Kopitar, Vishnovsky, Brown, Blake, Pushkarev

Minnesota (7)… Bouchard, Koivu, Gaborik, Veilleux, Burns, Schultz, Boogard

Montreal (10)… Koivu, Ryder, Markov, Latrendresse, Higgins, Plekanec, Streit, Rivet, Perezhogin, Komisarek,

Nashville (8)… Legwand, Erat, Hartnell, Weber, Radulov, Suter, Hamhuis, Tootoo,

Devils (12)… Elias, Gionta, Gomez, Parise, Brylin, Zajak, Pandolfo, Dowd, White, Rupp, Clemmensen, Brodeur

Islanders (4)… Martinek, Campoli, Gervais, Dipietro (but they have stocked half the NHL of their star players!)

Rangers (3)… Prucha, Tyutin, Lundqvist

Ottawa (13)… Alfredsson, Spezza, Vermette, Kelly, Meszaros, Fisher, Eaves, Redden, Neil, Phillips, Schubert, Volchenkov, Emery

Philadelphia (9)… Gagne, Forsberg, Pitkanen, Carter, Richards, Potulny, Picard, Fedoruk, Nittymaki

Phoenix (2)… Doan, Sjostrom

Pittsburg (14)… Crosby, Malkin, Recchi, Whitney, Ouelett, Staal, Armstrong, Christensen, Malone, Talbot, Melichar, Scuderi, Orpik, Fleury

San Jose (14)… Marleau, Cheechoo, Michalek, Bernier, Carle, Ehrhoff, Clowe, Pavelski, Vlasic, Hannan, Smith, Goc, Toskala, Nabokov

St. Louis (8)… Stempniak, Cajanek, McClement, Mayers, Backman, Jackman, Backes, Schwarz,

Tampa (5)… Lecavalier, Richards, Craig, Alexeev, Ranger

Toronto (10)… Kaberle, Wellwood, Ponikarovsky, Stajan, Steen, White, Antropov, Colaiacovo, Bell, Tellqvist

Vancouver (7)… Sedin, Sedin, Bieksa, Ohlund, Kesler, Linden, Cooke

Washington (9)… Ovechkin, Semin, Pettinger, Zednik, Gordon, Eminger, Sutherby, Green, Kolzig

So to answer your question, pretty well all of them.

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01-27-2007, 01:38 PM
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No matter who Lowe drafts, he'll get bashed anyways. My question is why even draft anyone when you'll get bashed once again.
because he is making big bucks to draft?

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I would be quite happy with Kane. I really like his game and think he will turn out to be better then Gagner
I would agree. Kane would be my top choice as well. But at 5-10 and 165, without top end speed, he may not be an effective pro.

Still, he's likely got the most talent in this draft. Well, him Cherapanov or Esposito.

Why couldn't we have sucked during a year with some top end talent.

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Is Tavares in the 2008 or 2009 draft?

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I think the Oilers would have some very irate clients should Lowe decide to write off the season, given the price hikes for seats and boxes this past summer.

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No matter who Lowe drafts, he'll get bashed anyways. My question is why even draft anyone when you'll get bashed once again.

When Schremp was drafted, McGuire said, hopefully he doesn't turn into the next Bonsignore. He probably would have said the same had the Oil drafted Parise. The Oil's draft always gets bashed.
I doubt it... he has one of his famous man crushes on Parise. You can tell cause he gets all plegmy and french when he says his name.

He was bang on about Schremp. What a waste of a draft pick.

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While I wouldn't mind Cross at 10- Horcoff's skating in Pronger's body- I'd rather we grabbed one of Ellerby, Plante or Hickey. I see a lot of Chris Summers in Cross, and Summers has five points in 30 NCAA games. Not terrible, but if we're going after a stay-at-home guy with the 10th pick, I like Petrecki a lot more.


Ha, sorry my apologies I should have had a smiley. I was going more for the "drafting for height vs skill" thing. We know they're hard up for defence, and ever since the Poul/Parise debate we know they value height more, therefore I say that's what they'd pick, not that I'd think he'd be the better choice. I have zero clue on who or what is the best pick out here at that spot, although Cross was at spot 10 on that link provided.

That's why I come here, to listen to guys like you who are informed, learn something new, and basically add in a smart arse comment on our management when I can. The fact that the guy's last name happened to be Cross was too much to bear, restraining myself wasn't an option. Though I suppose it should've been. I'm weak.

Edit: But hey, I learned something so it's all good.


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Is Tavares in the 2008 or 2009 draft?
2009.

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That list if I'm not mistaken is just NA SKATERS, not even goaltenders. Here is a PROJECTED list by Cups that knows his stuff on the prospects board:

1. Angelo Esposito, C, Quebec (QMJHL)
2. Zach Hamill, C, Everett (WHL)
3. Alexei Cherepanov, RW, Omsk (Russia)
4. Sam Gagner, C, London (OHL)
5. James Van Riemsdyk, LW, U.S. National U-18
6. Kyle Turris, C, Burnaby (BCHL)
7. Keven Veilleux, C, Victoriaville (QMJHL)
8. Mark Katic, D, Sarnia (OHL)
9. Brandon Sutter, C/RW, Red Deer (WHL)
10. Jakub Voracek, RW, Halifax (QMJHL)

Pat Kane and Karl Alzner aren't even in this lists top 10, both of whom played in the World Jr's this year, and in Kane's case was a star, and I'm not saying this trashing the list, I'm saying it because it shows how good this draft is going to be. It's not like he didn't get some flack for this list but he backed up his claims and the dude REALLY knows his stuff! Cherepanov is going to be the FREAKIN show and anyone that doesn't know that needs to look at some footage. He's the guy I would DESPERATLY want as an Oiler, I think in the end, even if they don't end up with an agreement with the Russian's, he'll be the top pick because he's simply the top player. I can't believe a lot of you think this is a weak draft, do your homework boys. I've been told by people in the know that this draft is much like 03 with it's depth, the only difference is that the Superstar prospects are only about 5 or 6 players deep instead of 9 or 10 like they were that season.

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Seems like a fair question. How many teams HAVE 6 (since Bergeron was a FA) players they drafted AND developed on their roster.



So to answer your question, pretty well all of them.

I'm no fan of the Oilers' drafting record, but to be fair, if you are going to include players like Moss & Prust for Calgary (& similar for other teams), then you should also include Roy, Jacques and MAP. Jussi should be included, regardless.

So, given your criteria, we are at 10 (9 + Jussi), which puts us in the top 3rd of your list.

Edit 2: Stupid math... never was my strong point

Results are a different subject altogether, of course...


Incidentally, I think it's fair to include MAB and Thoresen as well. They may not have been drafted, but they are NHL regulars who were first (only?) identified by Oilers' scouts. At 11, we'd be 6th on your list.


Edit1: How could I forget Smyth?!? If you are going to include players like Forsberg (under PHI? Seriously...?), Modano, Linden, and Alfredsson, then Smyth makes the cut as well. The count increases to 10 or 12. I think thome_26 has a reasonable point. Again, though, results....


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I noticed that as well, I made mention of the fact that we have a legitimate shot at a lottery pick in the GDT. I hate to think this way, but if things don't chnge quick, it looks like we are headed there.

Edit - If L.A. beats us tomorrow they'll be only 8 points back and they're in second last place in the league.

there are 11!!!!!!!!!!! team below the oilers

The oilers would have to lose EVERY FRIGGEN game to get into the bottom 4

it aint going to happen

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Seems like a fair question. How many teams HAVE 6 (since Bergeron was a FA) players they drafted AND developed on their roster.

Anaheim (5)... Getzlaf, Perry, O'Brien, Bryzgalov, Brent (McDonald, Kunitz, Penner, Shannon were all free agent signings that no one else had previously signed as an example of what FA add to a team, and there are lots of them around the league)

Atlanta (6)... Kovalchuk, Slater, Exelby, Coburn, Lehtonen, MacKenzie

Boston (6)... Allen, Toivenen, Stastny, Stuart, Bergeron, Kessel

Buffalo (13)... Tallinder, Afinogenov, Campbell, Kalinin, Peters, Kotalik, Miller, Novotny, Roy, Pominville, Vanek, Paetsch, Stafford

Calgary (6)... Kobasew, Moss, Phaneuf, Lombardi, Boyd, Prust

Carolina (6)... Cole, Tanabe, Wallin, Ward, Staal, Ladd

Chicago (6)... Ruutu, Keith, Seabrook, Barker, Kukkonen, Wisniewski (Hamilton was a FA)

Colorado (8)... Sakic, Stastny, Hejduk, Liles, Svatos, Richardson, Sauer, Budaj

Columbus (8)... Nash, Zherdev, Fritische, Klesla, Johnson, Brule, Tollefsen, Leclaire

Dallas (10)... Jokinen, Lehtinen, Modano, Morrow, Miettinen, Eriksson, Daley, Ott, Turco, Tjarnqvist

Detroit (10)... Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Franzen, Kronwall, Hudler, Filppula, Kopecky, Osgood

Florida (7)… Horton, Weiss, Bouwmeester, Olesz, Campbell, Booth, Stewart

Los Angeles (7)… Frolov, Cammalleri, Kopitar, Vishnovsky, Brown, Blake, Pushkarev

Minnesota (7)… Bouchard, Koivu, Gaborik, Veilleux, Burns, Schultz, Boogard

Montreal (10)… Koivu, Ryder, Markov, Latrendresse, Higgins, Plekanec, Streit, Rivet, Perezhogin, Komisarek,

Nashville (8)… Legwand, Erat, Hartnell, Weber, Radulov, Suter, Hamhuis, Tootoo,

Devils (12)… Elias, Gionta, Gomez, Parise, Brylin, Zajak, Pandolfo, Dowd, White, Rupp, Clemmensen, Brodeur

Islanders (4)… Martinek, Campoli, Gervais, Dipietro (but they have stocked half the NHL of their star players!)

Rangers (3)… Prucha, Tyutin, Lundqvist

Ottawa (13)… Alfredsson, Spezza, Vermette, Kelly, Meszaros, Fisher, Eaves, Redden, Neil, Phillips, Schubert, Volchenkov, Emery

Philadelphia (9)… Gagne, Forsberg, Pitkanen, Carter, Richards, Potulny, Picard, Fedoruk, Nittymaki

Phoenix (2)… Doan, Sjostrom

Pittsburg (14)… Crosby, Malkin, Recchi, Whitney, Ouelett, Staal, Armstrong, Christensen, Malone, Talbot, Melichar, Scuderi, Orpik, Fleury

San Jose (14)… Marleau, Cheechoo, Michalek, Bernier, Carle, Ehrhoff, Clowe, Pavelski, Vlasic, Hannan, Smith, Goc, Toskala, Nabokov

St. Louis (8)… Stempniak, Cajanek, McClement, Mayers, Backman, Jackman, Backes, Schwarz,

Tampa (5)… Lecavalier, Richards, Craig, Alexeev, Ranger

Toronto (10)… Kaberle, Wellwood, Ponikarovsky, Stajan, Steen, White, Antropov, Colaiacovo, Bell, Tellqvist

Vancouver (7)… Sedin, Sedin, Bieksa, Ohlund, Kesler, Linden, Cooke

Washington (9)… Ovechkin, Semin, Pettinger, Zednik, Gordon, Eminger, Sutherby, Green, Kolzig

So to answer your question, pretty well all of them.
The problem is if course that 6 is not the correct total for the Oilers, I am surprised that you went out of your way to try to proove a poster wrong and then not even do research on the Oilers. The original poster was going by the top of his head but you actually took the time to do some research!

These kind of posts using spurious reasoning are starting to come an academic on this board.

Are we so willing to be right that we hope that by omitting relevant facts in our posts that it will make you look good, did you think no one would notice or just felt that since the only mode is negative that NO one would bother? Maybe you just forget to check the Oilers in your LUST to post this?

Greene, Horcoff, Stoll, Winchester, Markkanen, Pisani, Roy, Stortini, Hemsky and Smyth (10) were all drafted by the Oiler and have played this season and were developed by the Oilers so the correct total is 10 and if I include your first paragraph in the Anaheim paragraph, players signed by the Oilers and played nowhere else. Bergeron and Thoresen.

So I guess your answer of QUITE a few has dwindled just a little!

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So to answer your question, pretty well all of them.
Actually as it was pointed out above, the Oilers number is a lot higher, so not pretty well all of them. Also, Redden wasn't drafted by the Sens.....do you know who did draft him??? One more thing, I don't believe that you can include guys like Osgood and Recchi on there teams, they may have been drafted by them, but they were also free agent pickups. But that's just my opinion and probably won't be shared by many.

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Bottom line with this thread.....the Oilers draft well, just not in the 1st round. If they do a good job of drafting in the latter rounds, I chalk that up to being simply snake bit in the 1st round. If they're in the top 5, in this draft, I see them screwing it up. They've only had one chance ever to screw up a top 5 pick(and Slats did, like most things he did in the 90's!), and never had the chance to do it with a top 3 pick.

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The problem is if course that 6 is not the correct total for the Oilers, I am surprised that you went out of your way to try to proove a poster wrong and then not even do research on the Oilers. The original poster was going by the top of his head but you actually took the time to do some research!
Doh! Got some egg on the face there. You're right, I didn't even look at the Oilers, and after I did they are mkuch better than Thome_26 suggested. I actually found the connection kind of goofy, as asset management does not always mean that drafting a player means you're going to sit on him until he develops. Organizational needs may mean that you need to move a player just drafted to meet an immediate need. Dallas drafted Iginla, but moved him for Nieuwendyk, and it was Calgary that developed him. Conversely, the Islanders have been brutal at spending time developing players, then trading them just before they breakout and become dominant players. Player development is crucial, if you're sitting on your young players (which leads us to the lack of a minor league system for the Oilers, but that's another post altogether), but sometimes moving a youngster is as good as developing him.

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there are 11!!!!!!!!!!! team below the oilers

The oilers would have to lose EVERY FRIGGEN game to get into the bottom 4

it aint going to happen
Not to get into the bottom 5 though. There are only 4 teams that don't have a realistic chance of catching Edmonton:

Philadelphia
Los Angeles
Chicago
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