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01-27-2007, 08:02 AM
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Ohl Player Point Leaders

1 John Tavares Oshawa Generals 45 52 46 98 32
2 Tyler Donati Belleville Bulls 47 43 47 90 36
3 * Patrick Kane London Knights 39 35 53 88 36
4 * Sam Gagner London Knights 37 23 58 81 20
5 * Steven Stamkos Sarnia Sting 48 34 41 75 38
6 Bobby Hughes Kingston Frontenacs 44 34 40 74 70
7 Steve Downie Kitchener Rangers (total) 34 29 43 72 102
Peterborough Petes 28 23 36 59 92
Kitchener Rangers 6 6 7 13 10
8 Bobby Ryan Owen Sound Attack 44 29 43 72 56
9 Evan Brophey Plymouth Whalers 46 18 54 72 57
10 Brett MacLean Oshawa Generals 46 31 38 69 31
11 Bryan Little Barrie Colts 36 28 41 69 44
12 Justin Donati Sudbury Wolves (total) 43 31 37 68 26
Toronto St. Michael's Majors 35 26 30 56 24
Sudbury Wolves 8 5 7 12 2
13 Daniel Ryder Plymouth Whalers (total) 35 28 40 68 21
Peterborough Petes 29 24 35 59 21
Plymouth Whalers 6 4 5 9 0
14 Dustin Jeffrey Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds 47 27 41 68 36
15 Nick Foligno Sudbury Wolves 46 23 45 68 109
16 Matt Caria Toronto St. Michael's Majors 47 30 35 65 89
17 Sergei Kostitsyn London Knights 38 21 44 65 42
18 Harrison Reed Sarnia Sting 47 22 41 63 20
19 Chris Lawrence Mississauga IceDogs 43 34 28 62 84
20 Cal Clutterbuck Oshawa Generals 44 26 36 62

what are your thoughts?

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01-27-2007, 09:48 AM
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downie would be neck and neck with tavares if he hadn't played 10 less games. interesting

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So would Kane if he hadn't played 6 less, or Gangner if he hadn't played 8 less. I would also be a bike if I had wheels, interesting.

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So would Kane if he hadn't played 6 less, or Gangner if he hadn't played 8 less. I would also be a bike if I had wheels, interesting.
Indeed, Downie is behind both Kane and Gagner in points per game. Plus he's 18 months older than Kane and 2 1/2 years older than Gagner.

Downie -- 2.11 ppg
Gagner -- 2.18 ppg
Kane -- 2.25 ppg

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Give it a rest guys... kz was making an observation, not slagging Kane/Gagner/Tavares.

I was also surprised to see Downie so high up on the scoring list. He's just not one of the guys I automatically think of this year when I'm thinking of the top point getters in the league.

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01-27-2007, 02:36 PM
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So would Kane if he hadn't played 6 less, or Gangner if he hadn't played 8 less. I would also be a bike if I had wheels, interesting.
Wow, whats with the unnecessary ***** slap? The dude made an observation.

Or are you one of the cult members who believe Steve Downie actually sucks?

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Indeed, Downie is behind both Kane and Gagner in points per game. Plus he's 18 months older than Kane and 2 1/2 years older than Gagner.

Downie -- 2.11 ppg
Gagner -- 2.18 ppg
Kane -- 2.25 ppg
You know what dude, eat it. Every time Downie gets caught with his toe over the line, HF is right there to condemn him. It's about time some one throws a little credit his way.

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You know what dude, eat it. Every time Downie gets caught with his toe over the line, HF is right there to condemn him. It's about time some one throws a little credit his way.
You mean besides me, you, and CG anyway.

I think there's a lot of Downie fans out there, they're just afraid to get attacked by the masses of tools who believe he's nothing but a goon.

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6 Bobby Hughes Kingston Frontenacs 44 34 40 74 70
18 Harrison Reed Sarnia Sting 47 22 41 63 20

what are your thoughts?
Good to see from a Carolina standpoint.

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You know what dude, eat it. Every time Downie gets caught with his toe over the line, HF is right there to condemn him. It's about time some one throws a little credit his way.
Whoah, dude, chill. I didn't bash Downie in the least -- he's a hell of a player. Chill out, my man.

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You mean besides me, you, and CG anyway.

I think there's a lot of Downie fans out there, they're just afraid to get attacked by the masses of tools who believe he's nothing but a goon.
Hey I'll give him tons of credit for a great Junior career which included two WJC Golds. In the first one he had one of the most memorable WJC for me in how he barely got invited and then worked his way up to the top line. Also already been to one Mem Cup and has another chance to get back this year. He has great hockey sense and works the boards as good as anyone. Also gets the other team off their game.

However as a prospect I really question his skating ability in getting to the next level. Time will tell.

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However as a prospect I really question his skating ability in getting to the next level. Time will tell.
Agreed. Flyers fans have been talking about this all year.

For those that only saw him at the WJC this year, his poor skating was amplified by the big ice. But it is indeed a concern.

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What no Donati talk

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Agreed. Flyers fans have been talking about this all year.

For those that only saw him at the WJC this year, his poor skating was amplified by the big ice. But it is indeed a concern.
I simply don't see his skillset translating to the NHL.

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What no Donati talk
Why ....what is there to say as they are both wrapping up Junior careers with fine overage years as expected. Never really led their teams to anything and they will always be remembered fondly in Shhwa for pouting out on the Gens who were a weak team and assuring them of finishing last and getting Tavares.

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I simply don't see his skillset translating to the NHL.
Fair question: can I ask why?

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So would Kane if he hadn't played 6 less, or Gangner if he hadn't played 8 less. I would also be a bike if I had wheels, interesting.
The guy said "what are your thoughts?" So i made an observation based on what i saw. I wasn't even trying to compare him to gagner or kane... more of an observation showing that downie is more than a grinder who cant put the puck in the net as so many around here percieve him to be.

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Or are you one of the cult members who believe Steve Downie actually sucks?
No.

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Why ....what is there to say as they are both wrapping up Junior careers with fine overage years as expected. Never really led their teams to anything and they will always be remembered fondly in Shhwa for pouting out on the Gens who were a weak team and assuring them of finishing last and getting Tavares.
Still upset about that are you maybe you shouldnt say anything if you know youll get trashed for it. You will be gone pretty quick if you get up, and for what to say how bout "Donati is having a good year". Really man just shut it, please

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01-27-2007, 09:53 PM
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Still upset about that are you maybe you shouldnt say anything if you know youll get trashed for it. You will be gone pretty quick if you get up, and for what to say how bout "Donati is having a good year". Really man just shut it, please
Huh? I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

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Fair question: can I ask why?
He doesn't seem to me to excel in any particular area of the game. He's not a great skater, his shot isin't anything terrific, and in my opinon, contrary to most, he's not great defensively, he overpursues and chases the play overly, imo.

I'd see him sticking as a decent 3rd liner if he could become a shutdown guy, because I don't see him producing a lot of points in the NHL.

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He doesn't seem to me to excel in any particular area of the game. He's not a great skater, his shot isin't anything terrific, and in my opinon, contrary to most, he's not great defensively, he overpursues and chases the play overly, imo.

I'd see him sticking as a decent 3rd liner if he could become a shutdown guy, because I don't see him producing a lot of points in the NHL.
That's all fair.

But counter to that, his work on the boards is exceptional, he always comes up with the puck. His vision is severely underrated. His ability to find the open man, even through heavy traffic, is also underrated. I can see him being an important set-up guy that the Flyers really need in a lineup that has a number of finishers (and mostly at the centre position - so Steve would be great on the wing).

I don't see him producing a ton at the NHL level either, but he'll still be a vital part of any team's success. Every team does need role players, grinders, heart and soul players. If he can do all that and find the back of the net occasionally, I'll be happy. I do not expect him to set the world on fire offensively.

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Huh? I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
I wasnt quoting you it was someone lse and im pointing out that he deserves some respect for his career year, well the other one is still not over the fact tha the left Oshawa

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What no Donati talk
You didn't actually point out anything to do with respect for his/their careers. You just threw the name out there and I commented on their years and how they should be taken in a overage context.
Big deal...it's my opinion....they follow the same path a ton of guys have in their Junior careers and I just don't see them playing in the NHL.
As far as the Oshawa thing it is kind of a interesting trivia question especially with one of the Donati's battling Tavares for the Scoring race.

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You didn't actually point out anything to do with respect for his/their careers. You just threw the name out there and I commented on their years and how they should be taken in a overage context.
Big deal...it's my opinion....they follow the same path a ton of guys have in their Junior careers and I just don't see them playing in the NHL.
As far as the Oshawa thing it is kind of a interesting trivia question especially with one of the Donati's battling Tavares for the Scoring race.
yeah OK

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