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12-05-2003, 03:34 PM
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Spezza - Goal Scorer or Playmaker?

I remember a while back discussing if Spezza can be considered a poor man's lemieux in that they are extremely similar players in terms of strengths and weaknesses. The general consensus was that Lemieux was always a goal scorer while Spezza will be like Allison and get far more assists than goals. Based on his numbers in the AHL, as well as in the OHL, Spezza has always IMO been a goal scorer as much as a playmaker. Now in 58 career GP he has 17 G and 21 A - numbers that suggest he is more a scorer than a pure playmaker. Additionally, from his style of play, when he has a scoring oppurtunity he goes after it. Is it time to throw away the Allison comparison. Perhaps Yashin is a better comparison?

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I remember a while back discussing if Spezza can be considered a poor man's lemieux in that they are extremely similar players in terms of strengths and weaknesses. The general consensus was that Lemieux was always a goal scorer while Spezza will be like Allison and get far more assists than goals. Based on his numbers in the AHL, as well as in the OHL, Spezza has always IMO been a goal scorer as much as a playmaker. Now in 58 career GP he has 17 G and 21 A - numbers that suggest he is more a scorer than a pure playmaker. Additionally, from his style of play, when he has a scoring oppurtunity he goes after it. Is it time to throw away the Allison comparison. Perhaps Yashin is a better comparison?
Let us not disgrace Spezza in a big fashion by comparing him to Yashin.

But anyways, back on topic; Spezza is Spezza. I think it's still too early to tell or compare... he's almost still exploring and trying to find for himself what kind of player he is. Don't worry - in time, Spezza will be great.

Looks like the trade is looking worse and worse for the New York Islanders.

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Perhaps Yashin is a better comparison?
Yashin? LOL, spezza is gonna be a Top 3 centre in this league, yashin never will be.

But having said that, I think he is more of a playmaker with a wicked, accurate shot.

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Yashin? LOL, spezza is gonna be a Top 3 centre in this league, yashin never will be.
Yashin was a top 3 center for a period of time.

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I think when he becomes a bit older that he'll become more of a playmaker than goal scorer

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Yashin? LOL, spezza is gonna be a Top 3 centre in this league, yashin never will be.

But having said that, I think he is more of a playmaker with a wicked, accurate shot.

No no no... Spezza MIGHT be while Yashin WAS

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The general consensus was that Lemieux was always a goal scorer
No way, Lemieux has always been first and foremost a playmaker.

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No way, Lemieux has always been first and foremost a playmaker.
... with arguably the best goalscoring ability ever.

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... with arguably the best goalscoring ability ever.
You're right... but despite that, Lemieux's biggest asset has always been his playmaking and not his goalscoring

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Yashin was a top 3 center for a period of time.
Yashin may have had nice stats when with the sens but he hasn't shown that he can lead a team in the playoffs. When there is a ounce of pressure in the atmosphere, the guy folds. In my books, he wasn't a top 3 center in the league.

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Spezza has a great scoring touch and ELITE vision which allows him to be an awesome playmaker when needed. The problem is trying to find linemates who have the smarts to anticipate his plays.

He can do both (scoring and passing) very well which only makes him more dangerous but over time, I have no doubt his assists will far exceed his goals scored because he has that uncanny ability to see the ice.

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Spezza has a great scoring touch and ELITE vision which allows him to be an awesome playmaker when needed. The problem is trying to find linemates who have the smarts to anticipate his plays.

He can do both (scoring and passing) very well which only makes him more dangerous but over time, I have no doubt his assists will far exceed his goals scored because he has that uncanny ability to see the ice.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Let him play a few more seasons with the likes of Havlat and Hossa...and they should become one of the more potent lines in the NHL.

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Spezza can be considered a poor man's lemieux


Let's not get crazy here.

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i like the allison comparison, to a point. in spezza, you're getting a guy who dishes the puck like nobody's business (like allison). he also is a sniper, which will make his playmaking abilities more dangerous (allison's shot is very underrated as well). the only difference being that allison is a much more physical presence, and uses his frame more than spezza. whether spezza will grow into somewhat a physical force is unknown to me, but i can't see him having allison's physical side. but otherwise, i think it's a good comparison.

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i like the allison comparison, to a point. in spezza, you're getting a guy who dishes the puck like nobody's business (like allison). he also is a sniper, which will make his playmaking abilities more dangerous (allison's shot is very underrated as well). the only difference being that allison is a much more physical presence, and uses his frame more than spezza. whether spezza will grow into somewhat a physical force is unknown to me, but i can't see him having allison's physical side. but otherwise, i think it's a good comparison.

Who is this Allison fellow that you speak of? I would like to see him play sometime.

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He seams to be more of a playmaker, from the games Ive watched. It is a good bonus that he can also find the back of the net aswell

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Who is this Allison fellow that you speak of? I would like to see him play sometime.

You're not the only one=)

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I couldn't have said it better myself. Let him play a few more seasons with the likes of Havlat and Hossa...and they should become one of the more potent lines in the NHL.
Absolutely agreed! Hossa - Spezza - Havlat will be a heck of a line in the future. An explosive cocktail of skills...Really impressive.

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the only difference being that allison is a much more physical presence, and uses his frame more than spezza. whether spezza will grow into somewhat a physical force is unknown to me, but i can't see him having allison's physical side. but otherwise, i think it's a good comparison.
I like the Allison comparison too, and Spezza will probably learn with time he's going to need to use his size to become a dominant player. He's still only 20, and will add more muscle to his body as he matures into his 20's. If he does become the 100 point scorer some have projected him to be I think that's how it's going to happen.

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I don't think there is any comparison...not even Spezza being a poor man's Lemieux. As the most talented player who ever played the game, Mario matched his phenonenal goal scoring abilities with his play-making abilities. His play making and passing were probably only equaled by Gretzky. AS for Spezza, he is excellent as a goal scorer and playmaker. I think he is a better goal scorer though. He can roof it from in close, with anybody in the league. Definately has one of the best wrist shots in the game.
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I remember a while back discussing if Spezza can be considered a poor man's lemieux in that they are extremely similar players in terms of strengths and weaknesses. The general consensus was that Lemieux was always a goal scorer while Spezza will be like Allison and get far more assists than goals. Based on his numbers in the AHL, as well as in the OHL, Spezza has always IMO been a goal scorer as much as a playmaker. Now in 58 career GP he has 17 G and 21 A - numbers that suggest he is more a scorer than a pure playmaker. Additionally, from his style of play, when he has a scoring oppurtunity he goes after it. Is it time to throw away the Allison comparison. Perhaps Yashin is a better comparison?

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Lately, Spezza reminds me of Pat LaFontaine.

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