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01-27-2007, 11:23 PM
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I've ummed & aahed about whether Smytty is worth more than 5 mill. In fact I've said that is isn't worth "elite" money.
But man, RYAN SMYTH IS THE EDMONTON OILERS. This is without a doubt HIS hockey team.
He must be re-signed. Losing Smyth would be catastrophic to this hockey club.
Smytty is the heart & soul of this Oiler hockey club. He has been for a long time now, but it's never been more evident than it is right now.
He is carrying this team almost single-handedly, as he has done all season long.
He's playing the best hockey of his career, 4 points tonight with still half a period to play.

Ryan is The Oilers....just pay him & keep it that way.
The guy is awesome.

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01-27-2007, 11:28 PM
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I usually don't get caught up in game-day hype, whether positive or negative. But I'd have to agree in this case.

Smyth has shown time and time again that he's not only the heart and soul of the Oilers, but by far the most consistent offensive threat that we have.

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01-27-2007, 11:36 PM
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Well there's game-day hype & then there's just realizing a player's true worth.
I guess if a player consistently fills you with game-day hype, that's a pretty good indication of his worth.

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01-27-2007, 11:46 PM
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You let go of Sykora, and look at a cheaper option (Whitney, Hartnell, Walker, etc.).

Give Smyth a decent raise (no more than 5.5M). 3-4 years maximum, unless he takes a deep discount in any year after that.

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From a marketing standpoint alone, Ryan Smyth needs to be (and will be) resigned.

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01-27-2007, 11:49 PM
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You let go of Sykora, and look at a cheaper option (Whitney, Hartnell, Walker, etc.).
Yep, there are a lot of potentially cheap options we can sign in the off-season who could step into the lineup for Sykora. A few guys off the top of my head that might come cheap are Calder and York. I've always been a bit of a Calder homer but I think he'd look great on our second line and I've noticed he has started to play better for Philly of late.

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01-27-2007, 11:51 PM
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After watching tonight and all year really I'd have to agree about Smyth and how he's essential to this team. He's been far and away our most consistent player and would be at or pushing 30 goals if not for his injury. I'd hate to lose a guy that actually wants to be here... especially if it's by a margin of half a million in differences. When your dealing with the face of the franchise, 0.5 million should not make a difference in negotiations and I hope Lowe feels the same way.

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SIGN. RYAN. SMYTH. LONG. TERM.

'nuff said.

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01-27-2007, 11:53 PM
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He is probably one of the few players in that salary range that'll really works hard & truely deserves that money based on work ethic alone.

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Yep, there are a lot of potentially cheap options we can sign in the off-season who could step into the lineup for Sykora. A few guys off the top of my head that might come cheap are Calder and York. I've always been a bit of a Calder homer but I think he'd look great on our second line and I've noticed he has started to play better for Philly of late.
I would like to see Calder here too. I think prior to this year he's somewhat comparable to Doan, obviously not quite the same, but not far off.

I'm still on the fence about Smyth. I know what he means to this club. After tonight there is no denying his value, however it seems that this club has number of holes to fill. So is big money (no more than 5.5) justifiable for Smyth? Or do we need to spread it to other areas?

I think Lowe has to dump some salary (Horcoff, Pisani, Smith, Torres, Lupul) this summer to make Smyth work along with some pieces.

Good effort regardless Smytty!

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01-28-2007, 12:05 AM
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Smyth has now scored over 18% of the Oilers goals despite missing 20% of their games.

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01-28-2007, 12:17 AM
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Smyth has now scored over 18% of the Oilers goals despite missing 20% of their games.
That's a pretty telling statistic.

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01-28-2007, 12:24 AM
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Couple of notes from hockey central today

Nick Kiperious said Smyth on the open market will get $6 and put him in the ranks of Briere, Gomez, etc. He said if it's edm, maybe $5-5.5 per season.
Bill Watters disagreed and said he isn't a $6 million dollar player but did say EDM CAN'T lose him as he is the face of the franchise. He also said fans would be upset if he leaves and it ends up being because the other team offer a extra million. It would be hard for the Oilers management to explain why they would let the franchise player leave just to save a million/season. Also someone said it's better to have him leave a UFA then EDM trading him.

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it is obvious the oilers have to pay him at any cost

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UPDATE ALERT! UPDATE ALERT! I know, i'm a dork...


I was reading Sunday's articles in the sun online and i stumbled across a very interesting article on a contract update for Smyth.

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Things that stood out...
  • GM Kevin Lowe made it official he's finally made a serious offer to keep Smyth here for the rest of his career.
  • Lowe admitted last night he has made an offer to keep Smyth here "longer than three and less than seven'' seasons.

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01-28-2007, 09:48 AM
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So 5 years at five & a half? That'd be close I reckon.

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01-28-2007, 09:50 AM
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He bleeds Oil.
You guys have to keep him.
Good luck im getting him resigned, I hope he retires an oiler, he and Jason Blake.

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01-28-2007, 09:52 AM
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man i dont want smyth here for more than 3 years at 5+ million/season.... is there anybody who thinks that he'll still be playing at a high level when hes 35 or 36? he'll probably resemble most other 35 or 36 year old players (such as weight and guerin)... players that are decent, but certainly not worth 5 million a season.... but of course, he could just as easily turn out like nedved at 35 as well, which would be an absurd overpayment..... 4 years or longer is simply too long

if he wants more than 3 years, id much rather lowe let him walk.... especially if its 5 years.... 4 might be a little more acceptable, as he'd likely only be massively overpaid in his last year, rather than his last 2 years with a 5 year deal

we'd be much better going after a truly elite player like gomez, even if we had to pay him 6 million for 4 or 5 years.... it might be an overpayment of 500k/season, but at least he'd still be productive at the end of the contract..... whereas smyth will likely be a plumber-player when hes 35+.... i dont like this one bit


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01-28-2007, 11:36 AM
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Im guessing a 6 year/28.5M could be worked out

6 6 5 5 4 2.5

which is a 4.75m cap hit over the term

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01-28-2007, 12:57 PM
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Pay the man, just *****ing pay him!

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01-28-2007, 01:09 PM
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Im guessing a 6 year/28.5M could be worked out

6 6 5 5 4 2.5

which is a 4.75m cap hit over the term
I would be very excited to see a deal like this go down. I think we need to sign Smyth no matter what. Just try to imagine him in any other teams' silks. Just not right

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01-28-2007, 01:11 PM
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To begin with, I am a huge Smytty fan and he ranks behind Gretzky, Messier and Kurri on my list of all-time favourite Oilers. But....


2007/08 Oilers

Hemsky - 3.6
Horcoff - 3.6
Pisani - 2.5
Lupul - 2.53 (an increase of $1,000,000)
Stoll - 2.2
Moreau - 1.75 (an increase of $724,000)
Reasoner - 0.95
Thoreson - $543,000 (an increase of $25,000)

That is it for the forwards. A minimum of 5 forwards need to be signed.

Smith - 1.97
Staios - 2.9 (an increase of $1,300,000)
Bergeron - 1.04 (an increase of $70,000)
Smid- 0.72

That is it for the defense. A minimum of 3 D-men need to be signed.

Roloson - 3.5 (a decrease of $1,000,000)

That is it for goal. A goaltender needs to be signed.

Conclusion: The Oilers will have a cap hit of $28,554,000 in 2007/08. If the Oilers maintain their current payroll status of $39,666,000 then they will have to sign 9 players with only $11,112,000. How likely do you think it is that Lowe will give Smytty 50% of his remaining budget room? Somebody or some players have to be taken out of the equation and the Oilers must play with a couple of rookies next season.

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01-28-2007, 01:24 PM
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I'm glad to see that people are finally coming around and realizing everything Smytty is to the Oilers. There is a way that everyone can get what they want in this deal as illustrated by nameht's post


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Im guessing a 6 year/28.5M could be worked out

6 6 5 5 4 2.5

which is a 4.75m cap hit over the term
I think you front load the contract to make a point and let Ryan feel like he really got what he's deserved this whole time. I would make a small adjustment to the numbers:

6M-5.5M-5M-4.5M-4M- Team/ player option 4M

That is a 5 million dollar cap hit, which most on this board have said that Smytty is worth.

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01-28-2007, 01:29 PM
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I don't want any part of a five year contract. Smyth is great but lets face it, he is going to miss at least ten games a season and that won't change with his age, size and the way he plays. go for a 3 or 4 year deal and see what happens.

5+ mill a year for 5 years could turn into a cap disaster.

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01-28-2007, 01:43 PM
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To begin with, I am a huge Smytty fan and he ranks behind Gretzky, Messier and Kurri on my list of all-time favourite Oilers. But....


2007/08 Oilers

Hemsky - 3.6
Horcoff - 3.6
Pisani - 2.5
Lupul - 2.53 (an increase of $1,000,000)
Stoll - 2.2
Moreau - 1.75 (an increase of $724,000)
Reasoner - 0.95
Thoreson - $543,000 (an increase of $25,000)

That is it for the forwards. A minimum of 5 forwards need to be signed.

Smith - 1.97
Staios - 2.9 (an increase of $1,300,000)
Bergeron - 1.04 (an increase of $70,000)
Smid- 0.72

That is it for the defense. A minimum of 3 D-men need to be signed.

Roloson - 3.5 (a decrease of $1,000,000)

That is it for goal. A goaltender needs to be signed.

Conclusion: The Oilers will have a cap hit of $28,554,000 in 2007/08. If the Oilers maintain their current payroll status of $39,666,000 then they will have to sign 9 players with only $11,112,000. How likely do you think it is that Lowe will give Smytty 50% of his remaining budget room? Somebody or some players have to be taken out of the equation and the Oilers must play with a couple of rookies next season.
The Oilers always increase their payroll every year and Lowe has already said he didn't spend his budget this year.

No it won't be easy, welcome to every other teams world! How many teams aren't about 5 million or less to the cap?

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