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01-28-2007, 09:44 AM
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WHA vs. Europe

Intresting games, intresting results.

September-October 1974 (first 4 games in North-America and last 7 in Europe)

WHA all-stars goals first:

Soviet Union 3-3 tie
Soviet Union 4-1 win
Soviet Union 5-8 loss
Soviet Union 5-5 tie
Finland 8-3 win
Sweden 4-3 win
Soviet Union 2-3 loss
Soviet Union 2-5 loss
Soviet Union 4-4 tie
Soviet Union 2-3 loss
Czechoslovakia 1-3 loss

WHA totals:

Games: 11
Wins: 3
Losses: 5
Ties: 3


************************************************** *******************************
September 1975 (all games in Europe)

Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

HIFK (FIN) 7-5 win
Tappara (FIN) 3-3 tie
TPS (FIN) 3-4 loss
Sweden 6-2 win
Stockholm Select (SWE)* 7-3 win
Leksand (SWE) 8-2 win
Västra Frölunda (SWE) 4-3 win
Czechoslovakia 1-6 loss
Czechoslovakia 1-3 loss

Toronto Toros (Toros goals first):

HIFK (FIN) 6-2 win
Tappara (FIN) 5-5 tie
Modo (SWE) 0-6 loss
Björklöven (SWE) 3-2 win
Skellefteå (SWE) 2-5 loss
Timrå (SWE) 1-3 loss
Jämtland/Härjedalen Select (SWE) 12-0 win
Brynäs (SWE) 4-7 loss
Hammarby (SWE) 5-2 win

WHA totals:

games: 18
Wins: 9
Losses: 7
Ties: 2


* = The Stockholm Select consisted of players from AIK, Djurgården and Södertälje.

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September 1976 (all games in Europe)

Phoenix Roadrunners (Roadrunners goals first):

Jokerit (FIN) 8-3 win
TPS (FIN) 2-4 loss
Finland All Stars 2-2 tie
HIFK (FIN) 4-1 win
Tampere All Stars (FIN) 5-5 tie
Kiekko Reipas (FIN) 6-5 win
Ässät (FIN) 5-5 tie
Kärpät (FIN) 7-3 win

December 1976 (all games in Moscow Izvestia tournament)

Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

Czechoslovakia 2-3 loss
Sweden 4-4 tie
Soviet Union 4-6 loss
Finland 2-1 win

December 1976 Poldi Kladno (CZE) vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

Winnipeg 6-5 win
Edmonton 6-4 win
Calgary 4-5 loss
New England 1-4 loss
Minnesota 3-2 win

December 1976-January 1977 Soviet Union vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

New England 5-2 win
Cincinnati 5-7 loss
Houston 1-10 loss
Indianapolis 2-5 loss
San Diego 3-6 loss
Edmonton 2-3 loss
Winnipeg 2-3 loss
Quebec 6-1 win

WHA Totals:

Games: 25
Wins: 10
Losses: 11
Ties: 4


************************************************** *************

September 1977 (all games in Europe)

Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

Skellefteå (SWE) 7-2 win
Modo (SWE) 6-2 win
Timrå (SWE) 4-1 win
Örebro (SWE) 9-2 win
Västra Frölunda (SWE) 6-3 win
HIFK (FIN) 6-6 tie
Leksand (SWE) 2-3 loss
Södertälje (SWE) 2-5 loss
AIK (SWE) 5-7 loss

Cincinnati Stingers (Stingers goals first):

Soviet Union 4-11 loss
Czechoslovakia 2-8 loss
Soviet Union 2-5 loss
Czechoslovakia 3-12 loss
TPS (FIN) 1-6 loss
Ässät (FIN) 2-8 loss
Finland 8-4 win

December 1977 Quebec Nordiques (all games in Moscow Izvestia tournamenat)

Nordiques goals first:

Soviet Union 3-5 loss
Sweden 2-6 loss
Finland 6-6 tie
Czechoslovakia 2-6 loss

Czechoslovakia B (2nd best national team) vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

Indianapolis 3-5 loss
Quebec 8-4 win
Winnipeg 5-1 win
Edmonton 6-1 win
New England 5-3 win
Houston 3-2 win
Cincinnati 5-5 tie
Birmingham 5-0 win

Soviet Union all-stars B vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

New England 7-2 win
Indianapolis 3-4 loss
Winnipeg 6-4 win
Edmonton 5-2 win
Birmingham 6-1 win
Quebec 3-3 tie
Cincinnati 4-5 loss
Houston 2-6 loss
Houston 3-7 loss
Indianapolis 2-4 loss

December 1977-January 1978 (all games in Japan)

Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

Soviet Union 5-7 loss
Soviet Union 2-4 loss
Soviet Union 1-5 loss

January 1978 (all games in North-America)

Soviet Union vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

Edmonton 2-7 loss
Winnipeg 5-3 win
Quebec 3-6 loss
New England 4-7 loss
Indianapolis 3-8 loss
Cincinnati 2-9 loss

March 1978

Sweden vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

Indianapolis 6-3 win
Houston 8-3 win
New England 6-0 win
Cincinnati 4-5 loss
Birmingham 7-4 win

March 1978

Finland vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

Birmingham 2-3 loss
New England 7-3 win

WHA totals:

Games: 54
Wins: 22
Losses: 28
Ties: 4


************************************************** *************

September 1978 (all games in Europe)

Edmonton Oilers (Oilers goals first):

Örebro (SWE) 3-3 tie
HV-71 (SWE) 4-4 tie
Sweden B (2nd best national team) 6-5 win
Sweden B 4-8 loss
TPS (FIN) 5-4 win
HIFK (FIN) 5-2 win

December 1978 (all games in North-America)

Soviet Union all-stars B vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

New England 4-7 loss
Birmingham 2-2 tie
Winnipeg 3-4 loss
Edmonton 5-3 win
Quebec 3-6 loss
Cincinnati 3-5 loss

December 1978 (all games in North-America)

Sweden vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

Winnipeg 4-3 win
Quebec 7-3 win
Edmonton 11-2 win

December 1978-January 1979 (all games in North-America)

Dynamo Moscow B vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

New England 4-1 win
Edmonton 1-4 loss
Winnipeg 6-4 win
WHA All Stars 4-2 win
WHA all-stars 4-2 win
WHA All Stars 4-3 win

December 1978-January 1979 (all games in North-America)

Czechoslovakia B (2nd best national team) vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

New England 10-4 win
Edmonton 5-1 win
Winnipeg 3-3 tie
Birmingham 10-2 win

March 1979 (all games in North-America)

Finland B (2nd best national team) vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

Quebec 2-4 loss
Winnipeg 4-3 win
Edmonton 8-4 win
+ 2 games WHA teams lost both

WHA totals:

Games: 30
Wins: 17
Losses: 9
Ties: 4


************************************************** *************

WHA totals 1974-1979:

Games: 138
Wins: 61
Losses: 60
Ties: 17


http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1974/game00.htm

http://web.telia.com/~u66005454/modofile.htm


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There is some contradictory information between the two sources. In the second one it says that Dynamo Moscow lost 6 and won only one, while the chidlovski website (here) has the opposite result.

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There is some contradictory information between the two sources. In the second one it says that Dynamo Moscow lost 6 and won only one, while the chidlovski website (here) has the opposite result.
Good work. Yes it says Dynamo Moscow played seven games lost all, but one, but he only list six games.

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I added 2 games. I know that Finland B won both games (March 1979), but I don't know opponets and exact scores).

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Actually, this brings up a lot of interesting points regarrding the WHA. I personally was a WHA fan & believe they were very close to NHL calibre. They did have their strong & weak teams but so did the NHL.

I remember the 74 summitt series very well & watched every game. It was actually a very close series. Coach Harris mad a bad move early in the series by sitting some of the best players (Gordie howe was one) to give some of the lesser players a chance to play. this took the momentum away. This team did not have the depth to do that. Also in moscow, the Russians played their usual mind games. Hull scored in the last seconds but " of course, time had run out".

I also saw on TV the Jan 78 game between the Jets & the Soviet all stars which the JEts won (a club team won). Probably the best game i ever saw in my life.

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Good work. Yes it says Dynamo Moscow played seven games lost all, but one, but he only list six games.
I meant that the other source says that Dynamo Moscow won six and lost one.

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I meant that the other source says that Dynamo Moscow won six and lost one.
Yes. Chidlovski says Dynamo went 6-1 and the hockey files wrote, that Dynamo played 7 games and lost all, but one. The hockey files list only six games results (Dynamo 1-5).


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Actually, this brings up a lot of interesting points regarrding the WHA. I personally was a WHA fan & believe they were very close to NHL calibre. They did have their strong & weak teams but so did the NHL.

I remember the 74 summitt series very well & watched every game. It was actually a very close series. Coach Harris mad a bad move early in the series by sitting some of the best players (Gordie howe was one) to give some of the lesser players a chance to play. this took the momentum away. This team did not have the depth to do that. Also in moscow, the Russians played their usual mind games. Hull scored in the last seconds but " of course, time had run out".

I also saw on TV the Jan 78 game between the Jets & the Soviet all stars which the JEts won (a club team won). Probably the best game i ever saw in my life.
The Finnish player Matti Hagman, who played on both Boston Bruins (NHL) and Quebec Nordiques (WHA) in the 1970s, said that the difference between NHL and WHA was huge (in NHL´s favour). I think that only Jets and Quebec can be mentioned in the same breath with the best NHL teams, though Habs would have killed both in a playoff series. But it´s also true that NHL had REALLY crappy teams in those days.

IMO the WHA - Soviets series proves that the Russians pre-1977 were a very overrated team. I believe that the Soviets who played in the Challenge Cup ´79 would have crushed the WHAs Team Canada. Then again, the Canadians were much better prepared than in ´72 and some credit must be given to their effort. For instance, if Tretiak hadn´t played so well in the 2nd game, Team Canada would have won the game 20-1 (or 20-2, since a clear Soviet goal was disallowed ); it´s the worst game I´ve ever seen the Soviets play.

The Hull "goal" wasn´t in the last secondS; it was in the LAST SECOND (if it indeed was a goal). That (7th) was the only Moscow game that was truly competitive; IMO the Soviets were simply better there (yes, the refereeing was, um, European-styled, to put it nicely).

And finally, The Soviet national team and Winnipeg Jets played a 4-game series (or was it 3-game series and then they played 1 game later????!!!); the Soviets won the first 3 and Jets the last one (5-3). I believe it was Sidelnikov who was the starting goalie for the Russians in that game... I wonder if they had some other key players missing from the line-up as well. But no big deal; even Poland holds a victory over the Soviets (1976).


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Intresting games, intresting results.



Czechoslovakia vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

Indianapolis 3-5 loss
Quebec 8-4 win
Winnipeg 5-1 win
Edmonton 6-1 win
New England 5-3 win
Houston 3-2 win
Cincinnati 5-5 tie
Birmingham 5-0 win
I would like to point out that this was NOT the real Czech national team!!!!! And it isn´t in the later series (played in the 1978-79 season) either. No Martinecs, Hlinkas, P. Stastnys etc.

On the site they talk about "a development team", whatever that means... (B-/C-Czechoslovakia?)


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Here's a link to a site about this subject. There are even a few pictures. The site is biased towards MoDo, but it's interesting to read nevertheless.

http://web.telia.com/~u66005454/modofile.htm

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I would like to point out that this was NOT the real Czech national team!!!!! And it isn´t in the later series (played in the 1978-79 season) either. No Martinecs, Hlinkas, P. Stastnys etc.

On the site they talk about "a development team", whatever that means... (B-/C-Czechoslovakia?)
You're right. Thank you for the correction. It's now Czechoslovakia B.

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yes, the refereeing was, um, European-styled, to put it nicely
What exactly was the problem?


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Yes. Chidlovski says Dynamo went 6-1 and the hockey files wrote, that Dynamo played 7 games and lost all, but one. The hockey files list only six games results (Dynamo 1-5).
I looked it up and Dynamo did go 1-5 that time. However, its best players were with the main and junior national teams. Some players where replaced by CSKA ones (who did not make the national teams), so it should be Dynamo Moscow B?


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December 1977
Soviet Union all-stars vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

WHA teams goals first:

New England 7-2 win
Indianapolis 3-4 loss
Winnipeg 6-4 win
Edmonton 5-2 win
Birmingham 1-6 loss
Should be Soviet All-Stars B and
Birmingham 6-1 win
plus:
Quebec 3-3 tie
Cincinnati 4-5 loss
Houston 2-6 loss
Houston 3-7 loss
Indianapolis 2-4 loss

This is according to here (Russian)


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December 1978 (all games in North-America)

Soviet Union all-stars vs. WHA teams

WHA teams goals first:

New England 4-7 loss
Birmingham 2-2 tie
Winnipeg 3-4 loss
Edmonton 5-3 win
Again should be Soviet All-Stars B
plus:
Quebec 3-6 loss
Cincinnati 3-5 loss

From here (Russian)


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I looked it up and Dynamo did go 1-5 that time. However, its best players were with the main and junior national teams. Some players where replaced by CSKA ones (who did not make the national teams), so it should be Dynamo Moscow B?

Should be Soviet All-Stars B and
Birmingham 6-1 win
plus:
Quebec 3-3 tie
Cincinnati 4-5 loss
Houston 2-6 loss
Houston 3-7 loss
Indianapolis 2-4 loss

This is according to here (Russian)

Again should be Soviet All-Stars B
plus:
Quebec 3-6 loss
Cincinnati 3-5 loss

From here (Russian)
Thank you for the corrections.

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