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01-28-2007, 10:43 PM
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Roloson Issue Perhaps?

This is a bit of a dark horse idea but I read it else where and something like this happened to me on a junior team.......

We all know Roli is vocal and we all know he has a temper......One of the worst things a goalie can do is to start to put blame on other players, its a quick way to find your self on a one man island in the middle of the dressing room. Now remember back to our last great game.....Jussi was in net. We have all seen the replays of Roli staring down a dman after a goal like it was there fault maybe his vocalness and temper in the dressing room pissed off the players. Nobody can deny the fact the the defence played much better with Jussi handling the puck than Roli......EVERY time Roli goes out of the net I cringe.

I am a big advocate of Jussi's just cause he saved our butts in the finals last year and possibly even out played Roli. I also loved Roli up until his temper tantrums in the last few weeks and his staring down of our dmen.....never do that when your playing like crap as Roli has for a month now......

This is just an idea I wanted to throw out there and see what you guys think.....I also start Jussi next game to if I am Mact, contrary to some other people Jussi won us that game in the second period with the 8 saves on the 5 on 3.

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Could the d playing better have anything to do with staios being back?

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This is a bit of a dark horse idea but I read it else where and something like this happened to me on a junior team.......

We all know Roli is vocal and we all know he has a temper......One of the worst things a goalie can do is to start to put blame on other players, its a quick way to find your self on a one man island in the middle of the dressing room. Now remember back to our last great game.....Jussi was in net. We have all seen the replays of Roli staring down a dman after a goal like it was there fault maybe his vocalness and temper in the dressing room pissed off the players. Nobody can deny the fact the the defence played much better with Jussi handling the puck than Roli......EVERY time Roli goes out of the net I cringe.

I am a big advocate of Jussi's just cause he saved our butts in the finals last year and possibly even out played Roli. I also loved Roli up until his temper tantrums in the last few weeks and his staring down of our dmen.....never do that when your playing like crap as Roli has for a month now......

This is just an idea I wanted to throw out there and see what you guys think.....I also start Jussi next game to if I am Mact, contrary to some other people Jussi won us that game in the second period with the 8 saves on the 5 on 3.

i dont think your theory is true, in that i dont believe there are any dressing room problems involving roli.... but i do agree that i would start jussi against the blue jackets.... they are a team the oilers could actually beat and i dont want roli playing in back to back games (as we play the nucks the next night).... jussi looked very solid, he deserves the next start and roli deserves more time off

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Interesting post.

Roloson definitely is a whiner. Whether its the refs or his defenseman, it's never his fault.

Whether that translates into the defense playing better is a hard connection to make. But I'm sure they appreciate Jussi's honest hard work every now and than more than Roli's stick-tossing act, which is getting tiresome.

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I don't there is a problem with Roloson in the dressing room. Nobody likes losing or I hope they don't and nothing wrong with holding guys accountable for giveaways but I would start Jussi against Columbus and then Roloson against Canucks. I still like Roloson as our starter and I'm sure he would be first to say he has to be better as well.

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Roloson definitely is a whiner. Whether its the refs or his defenseman, it's never his fault.
Well that's just not true. I've seen/heard him put the blame on himself in the media many, many times.

From those with connections to the locker room, I've heard nothing but positive things about Roloson's leadership. I really can't see this issue actually occurring.

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interesting theory. was listening to total sports this past week and stauffer and rishaug made mention of some rumblings in the dressing room that some players might be getting sick of roloson's act. don't know if it was speculation on their part or if someone said something, but you might be on to something.

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Interesting post.

Roloson definitely is a whiner. Whether its the refs or his defenseman, it's never his fault.

Whether that translates into the defense playing better is a hard connection to make. But I'm sure they appreciate Jussi's honest hard work every now and than more than Roli's stick-tossing act, which is getting tiresome.
While I don't agree with Roloson's stick tossing (he's only done it a couple times, anyway), I've yet to hear him come out and blame his poor play on anyone but himself.

I hope he's not thinking about that damn lawsuit he's involved with against Saskin.

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Roloson definitely is a whiner. Whether its the refs or his defenseman, it's never his fault.
Are you nuts? Roloson is the first to blame himself for a poor game. Almost to a fault.

The first thing I noticed about him when we acquired him is that he downplays good performances, and accepted responsibility for not making saves when the team needed him to.

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I don't think a goalie will be a problem in many cases, as long as the team believes can help them to win that is what matters the most.


Goalies are known and even expected to be odd. Some won't talk to anyone before the game or to have a different pre game ritual.

The guy is a goalie and as far as I am concerned he can do whatever he wants, as long as when the playoffs start ( if we get there ) he plays some great goaltending for the team

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01-29-2007, 03:19 AM
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I'm gonna agree that it's a possibility that Roloson is partly responsible. I don't think that it would be entirely his fault but this team has real chemistry problems right now. I've noticed that some of the younger Dman on the team (esp. Smid) seem to be afraid to communicate with Roli in games. They might like him in the room but are intimidated by him.
The Smyth thing right now couldn't be helping the problem and it's not that they are negotiating mid season, it's that Smyth doesn't want to negotiate right now.

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I've noticed that some of the younger Dman on the team (esp. Smid) seem to be afraid to communicate with Roli in games.
That's kind of impressive. Much of the game is viewed at such a high camera angle that it's really hard to see who is or is not talking to who.

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then you haven't been seeing how many errors are caused by a lack of communication. I don't need to hear them dude


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That doesn't mean that there are issues because of people being afraid to talk to someone.

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I'd be a little afraid of Roli on the ice after seeing up close what he did to Nash.
I also remember one specific time when Roli SNAPPED on Ladi Smid when he tried to hand him his stick.

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Rick Nash isn't on our team. I'd be surprised if our players were scared of him because what he did to an opposing player. Just like I'd be surprised if players on the Islanders were scared of Billy Smith because of what he did to other players.


I remember Roloson talking fevourishly with Smid because in that situation he didn't want his stick back, and it resulted in a goal because Smid was trying to get him his stick back.

That doesn't mean that there are issues because of people being afraid to talk to someone. I think it's much more likely that the errors with our defense/goalie communication is much more related to the fact that our defensive corps (especially lately) is weak and inexperienced.

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How about if I substituted the word 'intimidated' instead of 'afraid'?
just like substituting 'talking fevourishly' with 'snapped'. Regardless of how you call it, nobody wants to be singled out negatively in front of many thousand people in person focusing on you as well as unknown thousands more watching on television.

The team wouldn't be afraid of Roli because of the Nash incident but what I was saying was that I might be affected by it and I'm sure the Oilers noticed as well. But you're right, more than the threat of physical harm is the thought that Roli has singled out players in game for mistakes and acted without composure at times.

Goalies tend to be a little out of the ordinary and Roloson is no different, he's a very fierce competitor and he doesn't like to ever let in a goal, regardless of the score. I'm sure that we can agree that at times he manifests his disappointment poorly.(?)

P.S. - All of this would compound the problem on a weak and inexperienced group of Defensmen. Also, though forwards don't have to interact with the goalie the same way, no one would confuse this group with the Maple leafs of 2001.


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I'd be a little afraid of Roli on the ice after seeing up close what he did to Nash.
I also remember one specific time when Roli SNAPPED on Ladi Smid when he tried to hand him his stick.
I'd have snapped to. It's fine if it's one of the forwards trying to hand off their lumber, but when it's a defenseman... well that's just boneheaded. That takes the blueliner out of the play in a situation where they're most needed.And on top of that, Rolo doesn't like playing with a stick anyway and his teammates know it.

You're simply trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. You and OntOilFan, but that's nothing new.

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I don't know how threads like this stay open. Roli loses his cool on the ice sometimes yes, everyone can see that. But to actually sit there and say you KNOW he went off on Smid, or you KNOW he blames his defensman is riduculous. You don't KNOW what the guy is thinking or what he says. This is how rumors get started. The guy has bent over backwards for this team, and all those games "he should have had this goal or he should have had that goal" if it weren't for him the score would have been 10 to whatever every night.

Every interview I have ever heard with Roli after a loss (or even a win) he always criticizes himself for what he should have done better.

Let Roli be who he is on the ice and stop assuming he is blaming everyone but himself when things arent going right.

Do I agree that Juice should play more, yes. I think that ANY team with a capable backup should play them 1 or 2 games every few weeks to keep them fresh and to give the other guy a rest. But in no way am I to say Roli cannot handle the game load he has been given and most likely wants. Have you ever stopped to think that had we actually had a defense that isn't pretty much AHL for most of this season that maybe JUST maybe Roli's goals against would be less than it is? A thought to ponder, this guy has been left out to dry so many times its pathetic.

Ok I am done now

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Nobody can deny the fact the the defence played much better with Jussi handling the puck than Roli......EVERY time Roli goes out of the net I cringe.
Huh? You mean like that play when the Oilers were on the powerplay and Markkanen made like he was going out to play the puck then realized too late that it wasn't going to make it into the fair play zone, and the Kings player picked it up and deked out front and came within inches of scoring?

I don't think Rolie is a great puckhandler by any means but he's a stronger puckhandler then Jussi.

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then you haven't been seeing how many errors are caused by a lack of communication. I don't need to hear them dude
So dressing 4 rookie defensemen and one relatively young one in MAB has nothing to do with the lack of communication? Hockey is a fast game and defense is one of the hardest positions to play. Blaming poor communication of Roloson seems extremely far fetched in my opinion.

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No no no you have it all wrong. It's not poor communcation. It's no communication because the young guys are all too scared of him because he hit Rick Nash between the legs a while ago.

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the very best thing about Roloson is the fact that he's such a fierce competitor

He's the kind of guy thats going to do whatever it takes to win, and doesn't accept loosing...while this can be a distraction if he takes it too far, anyone whos played on a competitive team should have what it takes to deal with the "staring down" or his "bad mood" after a loss or a bad play

if someone were to act the opposite of Roli, they'd more than likely get a mouthfull from many of the players

remember this is a proud team, noone here wants to loose, and not making the playoffs is going to be embarassing

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When the Oilers acquired Roli, wasn't one of his pluses that he communicates on the ice really well?

Yes, Roli pulls veteran tricks, but what good veteran doesn't? They all have them. At every position.

Anyway, I don't think it's an issue with Roloson and Roloson alone. To put all the woes of a team on one player is a bit crazy, IMO.

I do think that Roli has less patience for rookies than say, Jussi, does.

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I'd be a little afraid of Roli on the ice after seeing up close what he did to Nash.
I also remember one specific time when Roli SNAPPED on Ladi Smid when he tried to hand him his stick.
That's because he spent more time trying to hand it to him incorrectly (he handed it to him so the blade was out to the side) than he did trying to stop the play.

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