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01-29-2007, 12:45 PM
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Why is Ryan so pissed? hes acting like a little baby whining about not wanting it to take this long and not being this time of the season etc. I think Lowe hurt his feelings. Smyth seems like anything but captain material this season. He's getting a little too ahole-ish for my taste.
That's hilarious. The guy does every little thing the franchise has asked of him since he was drafted in 1994. He's quietly led the team and become one of the all time great Oilers and Team Canada hockey players, he's bent over in every contract negotiation and taken it for the team and the city of Edmonton, and the ONE time he stands up for himself a little, some know-it-all from a message board calls the guy a baby. I mean if you actually listen to the comments, he's not even really sticking up for HIMSELF, he's talking about the TEAM and making the PLAYOFFS and how the negotiations are a DISTRACTION and how he didn't want that in the first place.

You are so far off on this one you aren't even in the same area code man.

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01-29-2007, 12:56 PM
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he's bent over in every contract negotiation and taken it for the team and the city of Edmonton
Just my opinion, but I consider that more myth than fact.

He's threatened to take the Oilers to arbitration a couple of times now, only to beg off at the last minute.

Considering his career stats, IMO he's been compensated quite fairly.

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01-29-2007, 12:57 PM
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That's hilarious. The guy does every little thing the franchise has asked of him since he was drafted in 1994. He's quietly led the team and become one of the all time great Oilers and Team Canada hockey players, he's bent over in every contract negotiation and taken it for the team and the city of Edmonton, and the ONE time he stands up for himself a little, some know-it-all from a message board calls the guy a baby. I mean if you actually listen to the comments, he's not even really sticking up for HIMSELF, he's talking about the TEAM and making the PLAYOFFS and how the negotiations are a DISTRACTION and how he didn't want that in the first place.

You are so far off on this one you aren't even in the same area code man.
Name one time when Smyth took significantly less on a contract than he maybe could have been able to get.

People need to stop making stuff up. He's never bent over. He's never taken an offer that was anywhere close to being significantly lower to what he could have got in arbitration.

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01-29-2007, 01:07 PM
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Name one time when Smyth took significantly less on a contract than he maybe could have been able to get.

People need to stop making stuff up. He's never bent over. He's never taken an offer that was anywhere close to being significantly lower to what he could have got in arbitration.
dunno... I thought it was common knowledge that Smyth gave the Oilers a hometown discount on his contracts, I've read it several times in papers and heard it on HNIC and Sportsnet (which I admit isn't a totally reliable source)

I didn't realize this was a point of contention, I just assumed it was fact. I certainly didn't 'make it up'.

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01-29-2007, 01:11 PM
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That's hilarious. The guy does every little thing the franchise has asked of him since he was drafted in 1994. He's quietly led the team and become one of the all time great Oilers and Team Canada hockey players, he's bent over in every contract negotiation and taken it for the team and the city of Edmonton, and the ONE time he stands up for himself a little, some know-it-all from a message board calls the guy a baby. I mean if you actually listen to the comments, he's not even really sticking up for HIMSELF, he's talking about the TEAM and making the PLAYOFFS and how the negotiations are a DISTRACTION and how he didn't want that in the first place.

You are so far off on this one you aren't even in the same area code man.
Bent over every negotiations? Do you wnat to make a case for yourself there? Show me exactly how he has been underpaid his entire career... afterall he is the one that avoided arbitration.

CAPITALIZATION is cool and all, but he was just offered his ideal contract, so he can retire an Oiler. I honestly don't feel bad for him. he says he didnt want it to be a distraction, but his angst in the press right now is exactly that.

I want him to sign, I appreciate Smyth's career here and want it to end here... I just dont wnat to listen to the supposed epitome of being an Oiler complain about being offered the contract to do so just because it wasn't done early enough for his liking. Talk about a fragile ego.

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01-29-2007, 01:18 PM
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Lowe made a mistake.

He lowballed his offer and then when Smyth refused that offer, Lowe said he didn't want to negotiate during the season

Now Smyth understandably is angry that Lowe wants to negotiate now.

He is obviously going to do so but isn't happy about it, he could have said "Forget it, you had your chance and now I am going to be a UFA at the end of the year"

It is Lowe that has (for obvious reasons) changed his mind and now wants to negotiate during the season and Smyth has a legitimate beef.
lets look at the big business picture here for a second....

i think the reason Lowe has brought this up at this point in time is because the trade deadline is nearing.
He needs to find out what Smyth's asking price to see if its in line with the direction he wishes to take the club.

If the price is too high (i highly doubt Smyth thinks he's only a $5mil/yr player) he's trying to find out now before the trade deadline so he can keep the option of trading him open so he can get some prospects/building blocks back for him.

If he can lock him up... great... he's the guy to build around, and they know what the salary structure is going forward.

there are 2 major factors with contracts... $$ and term.
Lowe is offering a longer term at a lesser $$ amount.... smart approach.

people here may be upset about a $25 mil 5 yr deal... but its a lot better than a 3 yr $18mil deal in terms of cap.
thats the balancing act the 2 sides are trying work with....

and its better for Lowe to find out now, 30 days before the deadline, in case Smyth's asking price goes against the best interest of the club long term.

just business.... neither side should take anything personal... it needs to be figured out now.

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01-29-2007, 01:32 PM
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dunno... I thought it was common knowledge that Smyth gave the Oilers a hometown discount on his contracts, I've read it several times in papers and heard it on HNIC and Sportsnet (which I admit isn't a totally reliable source)

I didn't realize this was a point of contention, I just assumed it was fact. I certainly didn't 'make it up'.
I didn't mean you specifically... I meant everyone (including the media) who brings this point up.

There's little to no facts associated with it. He's never given the Oilers a home-town discount. He's always been paid fairly for what he brings.

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01-29-2007, 01:35 PM
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What Smyth is doing is good business. He has the perception out there in the press and the fan base (whether true or not) that he has taken a pay cut to stay in Edmonton. Keeping this perception alive along with a couple of negative comments about not giving a ‘home town’ discount this time around has done nothing but reinforce his bargaining position. It’s pretty obvious that Smyth has the high ground and he has done all the right things to keep him in this favorable position.

I would be surprised if he wanted to be anywhere but Edmonton. He has a past history of fighting for the money (Held out through the preseason one year and had a bad start to that year because of it) but I truly believe he does bleed Oil. It’s just business…

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Listening to Stauffer, apparently that article by Jones followed by Snet playing the particulars on their ticker has ticked off a good chunk of the players on the team.

Smyth himself apparently went out of his way to make the point that Smith is the captain of this team.

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Listening to Stauffer, apparently that article by Jones followed by Snet playing the particulars on their ticker has ticked off a good chunk of the players on the team.

Smyth himself apparently went out of his way to make the point that Smith is the captain of this team.
Good and glad to hear it.

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Listening to Stauffer, apparently that article by Jones followed by Snet playing the particulars on their ticker has ticked off a good chunk of the players on the team.

Smyth himself apparently went out of his way to make the point that Smith is the captain of this team.
Good for him.

Sportsnet should be ashamed of themselves. Pathetic reporting.

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01-29-2007, 05:51 PM
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Good for him.

Sportsnet should be ashamed of themselves. Pathetic reporting.
Terry Jones started it but he said it was a suggestion, it seemed Sportsnet decided to take it a step further.

I would agree, not very professional!

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