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01-30-2007, 11:45 PM
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Would Hall/J Ward and a 1st be enough
I would NOT give up the 1st round pick. Isn't this draft supposed to be really deep too or no?

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I brought up Boyes in a trade thread about 2 weeks ago, my first proposal i ever dared to try. Hes young and i think he would fit OK. Hes bounced around abit and he may be one of those players that will find themselves with a certain team, even though hes got pretty damn good numbers. maybe its the Rangers?


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01-30-2007, 11:50 PM
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Oh and thanks for the credit Staal!

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01-30-2007, 11:51 PM
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Hockeybased, what was your proposal?

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01-30-2007, 11:57 PM
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Hockeybased, what was your proposal?
IM trying to find it... I think it was something like Boyes and Rask for Immonen and Motoya, or something along those lines. That was my original proposal from the hip, someone had called out why the hell would you take Rask for Motoya, and i said Montoyas the type of guy a team like Boston might really be attracted to because to me Toivonen isnt cutting it amd Montoya is close.

But i believe i also said "dont hurt me" after i laid down the proposal. I got to find the original.

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Wow... i was spot on.

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Brad Boyes and Rask for Immonen and Montoya.
Boyes is cold, they just kicked him down to 3rd line. Hes a natural center. Playmaker. He's young, put him with Shanny what the hell.
Boston needs a name in the pipes in the future, I dont think Toivonen is that guy.
Dont hurt me.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...highlight=rask from the Prospal thread on the 15th.

Like i said i shot from the hip with that proposal, its all speculation Boston is interested in Montoya. I just thought it would take something like that to get it done, yet the Rangers wouldnt be sacrificing much youth in the deal, and get a goalie back.


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01-31-2007, 12:16 AM
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Thanks for looking for me since my lazy butt wouldnt do it...

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01-31-2007, 01:38 AM
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I love how people here cannot wait to use our first round pick. Have you guys never watched before this season? (Lundmark, Brendl, Malholtra et al). Sorry, I couldn't help that.

Boyes is only 24, it's not like they'd be giving it up for 35 y.o UFA to be
Well, every time I've seen them trade a first round pick, its disaster also. The Michel Bergeron pick could have been Roenick or Selanne, and the one they gave up for 20 or so games of Pavel Bure certainly wasn't worth it. I wouldn't trade a first rounder unless you're guaranteed to get a franchise type player in his prime in return, which Boyes is NOT or we wouldn't even be having this conversation, or if we were sure we are going to be finishing in the top 5 teams in the league, making it closer to a second rounder than a first. Unless you really think they're going to turn it on, I'd say we're a bit closer to potentially not making it in at all than challenging for the president's trophy. You want to try and sell me on Richards or Lecavalier, Rick Nash, Kovalchuck or a guys like that with our first rounder in the package, I get that. There's no way I give up a first rounder for a guy with 34 freaking career goals in a season and a half.

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01-31-2007, 01:52 AM
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1st Round Pick, 3rd in 08, Ivan Baranka, and Nigel Dawes for Brad Stuart and Boyes. I think that's reasonable if you plan on re-signing Stuart.

You keep Sauer and Staal as well as Korpi and Dubi... plus you land a possible 2nd line center and a top 4 d-man...

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01-31-2007, 04:13 AM
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Immonen, 3rd, if necessary Pock, for Boyes and a 5th

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01-31-2007, 08:32 AM
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1st Round Pick, 3rd in 08, Ivan Baranka, and Nigel Dawes for Brad Stuart and Boyes. I think that's reasonable if you plan on re-signing Stuart.

You keep Sauer and Staal as well as Korpi and Dubi... plus you land a possible 2nd line center and a top 4 d-man...
Malik, 1st Round Pick, Immonen, Pock and Ward for Stuart & Boyes.

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01-31-2007, 09:52 AM
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1st Round Pick, 3rd in 08, Ivan Baranka, and Nigel Dawes for Brad Stuart and Boyes. I think that's reasonable if you plan on re-signing Stuart.

You keep Sauer and Staal as well as Korpi and Dubi... plus you land a possible 2nd line center and a top 4 d-man...


Thats alot to give up.

1st round pick - thats a lot to lose, considering this team is building for the future
Baranka - he hasn't played one game for the rangers, lets see what he can do here first, he might be better than Stuart in the future, and this team isn't a deep playoff team, no need to give up Baranka.
Dawes - wasn't even given a fair chance, giving him up this early will only haunt us.

No way I do this deal, overpayment by the rangers, big time.

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01-31-2007, 09:55 AM
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Immonen I'd deal
Pock, I'd rather not, since he's just starting to show us something
J Ward I rather have than Hossa, well they're about even

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01-31-2007, 10:02 AM
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I think these line would look good for us.

Straka Nylander Jagr
Hossa Boyes Shanny
Prucha Cullen Orts
Hollweg Betts Ward

Hall, Orr, Krog

Later on Hossa gets replaced by Callahan/Dawes/Dubinksy
Then maybe Hossa replaces Ward on the 4th
Krog gets sent down

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01-31-2007, 10:07 AM
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1st round pick? guys, stop drinking before noon

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1st round pick? guys, stop drinking before noon
It is late here in Iceland (5 hour + time difference). We always start here early anyways

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01-31-2007, 12:01 PM
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well that being said, do what most people do when drunk.....internet porn.....

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1st Round Pick, 3rd in 08, Ivan Baranka, and Nigel Dawes for Brad Stuart and Boyes. I think that's reasonable if you plan on re-signing Stuart.

You keep Sauer and Staal as well as Korpi and Dubi... plus you land a possible 2nd line center and a top 4 d-man...
Baranka and Dawes would be enough to get you Stuart and Boyes.

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Baranka and Dawes would be enough to get you Stuart and Boyes.
Not a chance. You're really overrating our prospects.

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Baranka and Dawes would be enough to get you Stuart and Boyes.
If thats the case, this deal should be done already! as for trading a high draft pick, why hang on to it and hope that the drafted player turns into an NHL player when you have the ability to get one or two young players who are already good? Boyes is as old as Prucha for pete's sake

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01-31-2007, 03:35 PM
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I think trading first round picks is a mistake. I think trading them before you even know the value of the pick is an even bigger mistake. There's alot of hockey left, and it could go either way. What if Jagr or Lundqvist gets hurt and is out for the year? How would you feel about our chances then? I'd be seeing red if we traded the pick and we wound up in the lottery, which isn't that far off. Do you realize we're only 4 points away from being in the top 5 picks? A streak either way right now could make or break this season. We're only 4 points ahead of Florida, STL, BOS,and PHX who are all tied with 48 points. Like i said, unless we're getting a bona fide superstar in return, don't trade that pick.

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01-31-2007, 04:20 PM
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Boyes would be a good pick up, but get rid of someone before giving up a pick.

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Thats alot to give up.

1st round pick - thats a lot to lose, considering this team is building for the future
Baranka - he hasn't played one game for the rangers, lets see what he can do here first, he might be better than Stuart in the future, and this team isn't a deep playoff team, no need to give up Baranka.
Dawes - wasn't even given a fair chance, giving him up this early will only haunt us.

No way I do this deal, overpayment by the rangers, big time.
I'm not saying that I would do it, but that's along the lines of what it would take.

Those guys have value. I think Stuart is more valuable then Conroy, and Conroy got a 2nd, 4th, and a bubble player. - Now add Boyes who had 69 points last year, and is having a Prucha-like sophmore slump. Just b/c Prucha is on a 3rd line the Rangers aren't willing to drop him for a marginal prospect of Immonen's caliber. - I consider Boyes in the same boat as Petr.

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01-31-2007, 04:38 PM
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I'm not saying that I would do it, but that's along the lines of what it would take.

Those guys have value. I think Stuart is more valuable then Conroy, and Conroy got a 2nd, 4th, and a bubble player. - Now add Boyes who had 69 points last year, and is having a Prucha-like sophmore slump. Just b/c Prucha is on a 3rd line the Rangers aren't willing to drop him for a marginal prospect of Immonen's caliber. - I consider Boyes in the same boat as Petr.
Hey, where you been ?

Oh I get it, using one of your 'undercover' names around here these last few months

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I'm not saying that I would do it, but that's along the lines of what it would take.

Those guys have value. I think Stuart is more valuable then Conroy, and Conroy got a 2nd, 4th, and a bubble player. - Now add Boyes who had 69 points last year, and is having a Prucha-like sophmore slump. Just b/c Prucha is on a 3rd line the Rangers aren't willing to drop him for a marginal prospect of Immonen's caliber. - I consider Boyes in the same boat as Petr.
It's too bad you don't post more often. Couldn't agree more. I would even say Boyes is quite a bit better prospect than Petr Puck (and I'm a huge fan of his)... I have no idea why Boston would be willing to give up on Brad, he's young and is not even close to reaching his full potential yet.

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well that being said, do what most people do when drunk.....internet porn.....
Thanx for your guiding enlightenment

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