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02-02-2007, 02:06 AM
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RE-DO the 2004 First Round...

Who should be in the 1st Round? (from 2nd-3rd-4th-5th rounds...?).
Redo the entire 1st round (if you dare ).
Who went UP in value? Who went DOWN? (maybe even OUT of 1st round?).


Here's the entire 1st Round (I don't have the other rounds, please google it or use other sources if you want it!) :

1 Washington Alexander Ovechkin L Moscow Dynamo (Russia) 81 52 54 106 52
2 Pittsburgh Evgeni Malkin C Magnitogorsk Metallurg (Russia)
3 Chicago Cam Barker D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) 1 0 0 0 0
4 Carolina Andrew Ladd L Calgary Hitmen (WHL) 29 6 5 11 4
5 Phoenix Blake Wheeler R Breck School (Minn.)
6 NY Rangers Al Montoya G U. of Michigan (NCAA)
7 Florida Rostislav Olesz C Vitkovice HC (Czech) 59 8 13 21 24
8 Columbus Alexandre Picard L Lewiston MAINEiacs (QMJHL) 17 0 0 0 14
9 Anaheim Ladislav Smid D Liberec Bili Tygri HC (Czech)
10 Atlanta Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
11 Los Angeles Lauri Tukonen R Blues (FNL)
12 Minnesota A.J. Thelen D Michigan State University (NCAA)
13 Buffalo Drew Stafford R U. of North Dakota (NCAA)
14 Edmonton Devan Dubnyk G Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
15 Nashville Alexander Radulov R Tver (Russia)
16 NY Islanders Petteri Nokelainen C SaiPa Lappeenranta (FNL) 15 1 1 2 4
17 St. Louis Marek Schwarz G Sparta Praha (Czech)
18 Mtl. Canadiens Kyle Chipchura C Prince Albert Raiders (WHL)
19 NY Rangers Lauri Korpikoski C TPS Jrs. (Finland)
20 New Jersey Travis Zajac C Salmon Arm Silverbacks (BCHL)
21 Colorado Wojtek Wolski L Brampton Battalion (OHL) 9 2 4 6 4
22 San Jose Lukas Kaspar L Litvinov CHP HC (Czech)
23 Ottawa Andrej Meszaros D Dukla Trencin (Slovak) 82 10 29 39 61
24 Calgary Kris Chucko L Salmon Arm Silverbacks (BCHL)
25 Edmonton Rob Schremp C London Knights (OHL)
26 Vancouver Cory Schneider G Phillips-Andover (Mass.)
27 Washington Jeff Schultz D Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
28 Dallas Mark Fistric D Vancouver Giants (WHL)
29 Washington Mike Green D Saskatoon Blades (WHL) 22 1 2 3 18
30 Tampa Bay Andy Rogers

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02-02-2007, 02:08 AM
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last pick of the draft ...
chipchura!!!

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02-02-2007, 02:21 AM
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last pick of the draft ...
chipchura!!!
C'mon!! Re-do the entire 1st round!! I dare you
(you'd have to check all the other rounds too, to see who deserves to be in the 1st round NOW).

Anyways...getting late, I have to retire early!!

good luck redoing the 1st round!!

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02-02-2007, 02:38 AM
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Wow, what a spread in that draft. It's still a little early to tell on this one but here it goes.

1 Alexander Ovechkin
2 Evgeni Malkin
3 Andrej Meszaros
4 Wojtek Wolski
5 Alexander Radulov
6 Andrew Ladd
7 Rostislav Olesz
8 Travis Zajac
9 Cam Barker
10 Ladislav Smid
11 Cory Schneider
12 Mike Green
13 Drew Stafford
14 Lauri Tukonen
15 Al Montoya
16 Enver Lisin
17 Petteri Nokelainen
18 Rob Schremp
19 Jeff Schultz
20 Alexandre Picard
21 David Booth
21 Boris Valabik
22 Michael Funk
23 Devan Dubnyk
24 Carl Soderberg
25 A.J. Thelen
26 Andy Rogers
27 Evan McGrath
28 Roman Voloshenko
29 Marek Schwarz
30 Bryan Bickell

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02-02-2007, 03:06 AM
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1 Evgeni Malkin
2 Alexander Ovechkin
3 Andrej Meszaros
4 Alexander Radulov
5 Wojtek Wolski
6 Ladislav Smid
7 Rostislav Olesz
8 Travis Zajac
9 Mike Green
10 Drew Stafford
11 Cam Barker
12 Chris Campoli
13 Andrew Ladd
14 Al Montoya
15 Blake Wheeler
16 Carl Soderberg
17 Boris Valabik
18 Dustin Boyd
19 Justin Pogge
20 Karri Ramo
21 David Krejci
22 Rob Schremp
23 Ryan Callahan
24 David Booth
25 Blake Comeau
26 Mikhail Grabovski
27 Alexandre Picard
28 Jeff Schultz
29 Marek Schwarz
30 Alexei Emelin

HM:
David Bolland
Andrej Sekera
Mark Mancari
Cory Schneider
Bryan Bickell
Brandon Dubinsky
Dmitry Vorobiev
Kyle Chipchura
Lauri Korpikoski

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02-02-2007, 11:04 AM
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1 Evgeni Malkin
2 Alexander Ovechkin
3 Andrej Meszaros
4 Alexander Radulov
5 Wojtek Wolski
6 Ladislav Smid
7 Rostislav Olesz
8 Travis Zajac
9 Mike Green
10 Drew Stafford
11 Cam Barker
12 Chris Campoli
13 Andrew Ladd
14 Al Montoya
15 Blake Wheeler
16 Carl Soderberg
17 Boris Valabik
18 Dustin Boyd
19 Justin Pogge
20 Karri Ramo
21 David Krejci
22 Rob Schremp
23 Ryan Callahan
24 David Booth
25 Blake Comeau
26 Mikhail Grabovski
27 Alexandre Picard
28 Jeff Schultz
29 Marek Schwarz
30 Alexei Emelin

HM:
David Bolland
Andrej Sekera
Mark Mancari
Cory Schneider
Bryan Bickell
Brandon Dubinsky
Dmitry Vorobiev
Kyle Chipchura
Lauri Korpikoski
Malkin infront of Ovechkin. Expected someone to do it, but care to explain? Also has Tukonen dropped that far? When was around he was supposed to be top 6 pick and was considered a steal at #11. Has had a few injury issues but has been doing pretty solid, definately solid enough not to drop out of the first round

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02-02-2007, 11:51 AM
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I'm not sure Mike Green would drop out of the first round, especially with hindsight.

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02-02-2007, 12:16 PM
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Too early to tell. A lot of changes occur only because they are playing right now.

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Alex Goligoski

Goligoski would DEFINITELY go in the first round of the 2004 draft.

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02-02-2007, 03:03 PM
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Nice to see David Booth getting some respect. Not that he'll ever be a bigtime scorer but he definitely was a nice pick. Ovechkin goes one, not too much changes at the top IMO.

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02-02-2007, 03:09 PM
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Meszaros should jump up a lot, and i don't have the time to do the full draft...

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12 Chris Campoli
If your doing it on the basis of what have you done in the NHL so far i would agree, but long term Campoli is destined to be a bottom pairing defenseman with upside of a good #4 guy. While he probably will have a better career then many of the guys on your list, most of them have way more upside then him and i would rank higher. It should also be noted Campoli was passed over the 2 previous drafts so he is 2 years older then mos of them as well.

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good to see soderberg getting some love, considering he's yet to play in North America, was too old for the most recent WJC, plays on the last place team in the Elitserien, and recently was injured. He's got a chance to be a real good one in the NHL and one of the better players chosen in the entire draft....top 10 possibly.

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If your doing it on the basis of what have you done in the NHL so far i would agree, but long term Campoli is destined to be a bottom pairing defenseman with upside of a good #4 guy. While he probably will have a better career then many of the guys on your list, most of them have way more upside then him and i would rank higher. It should also be noted Campoli was passed over the 2 previous drafts so he is 2 years older then mos of them as well.
Yeah, same thing for Kyle Chipchura. Long term, I believe that he should be in the first round. He will never be a big time point producer, but he will most likely become a captain of a NHL team while giving some character and defensive play to the Habs.

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1 Evgeni Malkin
2 Alexander Ovechkin
3 Andrej Meszaros
4 Alexander Radulov
5 Wojtek Wolski
6 Ladislav Smid
7 Rostislav Olesz
8 Travis Zajac
9 Mike Green
10 Drew Stafford
11 Cam Barker
12 Chris Campoli
13 Andrew Ladd
14 Al Montoya
15 Blake Wheeler
16 Carl Soderberg
17 Boris Valabik
18 Dustin Boyd
19 Justin Pogge
20 Karri Ramo
21 David Krejci
22 Rob Schremp
23 Ryan Callahan
24 David Booth
25 Blake Comeau
26 Mikhail Grabovski
27 Alexandre Picard
28 Jeff Schultz
29 Marek Schwarz
30 Alexei Emelin

HM:
David Bolland
Andrej Sekera
Mark Mancari
Cory Schneider
Bryan Bickell
Brandon Dubinsky
Dmitry Vorobiev
Kyle Chipchura
Lauri Korpikoski
Schneider behind such All-Stars as Emelin, Schremp, and Comeau?

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1 Evgeni Malkin
2 Alexander Ovechkin
3 Andrej Meszaros
4 Alexander Radulov
5 Wojtek Wolski
6 Ladislav Smid
7 Rostislav Olesz
8 Travis Zajac
9 Mike Green
10 Drew Stafford
11 Cam Barker
12 Chris Campoli
13 Andrew Ladd
14 Al Montoya
15 Blake Wheeler
16 Carl Soderberg
17 Boris Valabik
18 Dustin Boyd
19 Justin Pogge
20 Karri Ramo
21 David Krejci
22 Rob Schremp
23 Ryan Callahan
24 David Booth
25 Blake Comeau
26 Mikhail Grabovski
27 Alexandre Picard
28 Jeff Schultz
29 Marek Schwarz
30 Alexei Emelin

HM:
David Bolland
Andrej Sekera
Mark Mancari
Cory Schneider
Bryan Bickell
Brandon Dubinsky
Dmitry Vorobiev
Kyle Chipchura
Lauri Korpikoski
What has Radulov done to warrant being ahead of Wolski?

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1. alexander ovechkin
2. evgeni malkin
3. andrej maszaros
4. wojtek wolski
5. alexander radulov
6. cam barker
7. rostislav olesz
8. andrew ladd
9. ladislav smid
10. travis zajac
11. al montoya
12. drew stafford
13. justin pogge
14. roman voloshenko
15. dustin boyd
16. rob schremp
17. mike green
18. cory schneider
19. alexandre picard
20. petteri nokelainen
21. alex goligoski
22. marek schwarz
23. thomas greiss
24. kyle chipchura
25. devan dubnyk
26. jeff schultz
27. carl soderberg
28. enver lisin
29. karri ramo
30. lukas kaspar

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What has Radulov done to warrant being ahead of Wolski?
Well, Wolski has more points, but Radulov has shown us that he will be an NHL player. Because of that, I don't see nothing wrong with putting him in front of Wolski if the guy thinks that Radu has more upside...

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It's interesting, because some people thought that aside from Barker, that Meszaros was the best defenseman in the draft, I originally tabbed him #10 overall, but I was in that camp. Now everyone has him as the 1st or 2nd defenseman taken

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It's interesting, because some people thought that aside from Barker, that Meszaros was the best defenseman in the draft, I originally tabbed him #10 overall, but I was in that camp. Now everyone has him as the 1st or 2nd defenseman taken
meszaros was really high on mckeens and iss ranking.
He was also the only player outside ovechkin to have played with his country world cup team.
I was surprised to see him drop past 15 !

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Mark my words, in 3-5 years all of you redoing this draft will have Dubnyk at least in the top 10 if not higher.

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1. Ovechkin
2. Malkin
3. Wolski
4. Meszaros
5. Radulov
6. Zajac
7. Olesz
8. Barker
9. Green
10. Ladd
11. Stafford
12. Smid
13. Campoli
14. Boyd
15. Montoya
16. Edler
17. Soderberg
18. Goligoski
19. Santorelli
20. Sekera
21. Greiss
22. Tukonen
23. Brouwer
24. Grabovsky
25. Walter
26. Schremp
27. Schwarz
28. Wheeler
29. Picard
30. Krejci

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I find it rather peculiar that people are putting Grabovski in the first round, but leaving Chipchura off their lists. I guess it just goes to show how people value offense and upside more than anything else in a prospect. Personally, I would take Chipchura over Grabovski without blinking an eye. Easy, easy choice.

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I find it rather peculiar that people are putting Grabovski in the first round, but leaving Chipchura off their lists. I guess it just goes to show how people value offense and upside more than anything else in a prospect. Personally, I would take Chipchura over Grabovski without blinking an eye. Easy, easy choice.
i never liked chipchura and nevell will , unless he scores like the stanley cup game final goal..
he's slow footed without any offense.
He might have character and good defensive play but I would definately take the dynamite offensive wizzard in grabovski over him.
take note that im also a habs fans !

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How is Cory Schneider dropping on some people's lists? Having taken the time to see all the first round goalies and Pogge live, I would say that Schneider is the best goalie taken. I would even say that its not really all that close either.

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