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02-02-2007, 07:20 PM
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Panthers listening to offers for Jokinen or Bert

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theres no facts in that article its all speculation

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uhh..... jokinen? not happy with florida? yeah ok.


one thing after another with these rumors, jeez

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Hilarious. Why do they keep making this crap up?
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word is starting to circulate that he's unhappy
Whose word? Yours? Is there a freakin' source, Darren?

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There is reason to believe the Panthers are contemplating a myriad of moves
Reason to believe? If you want to speculate like an HFBoards poster might on the trade rumor forum, there could be reason to believe that Crosby is being shopped. Seriously, terrible.

So, an article WRITTEN by a TSN correspondent, not from any actual source. No newspaper, not even of Canadian origin, no AP, nothin'. Explain to me why all these networks hate our team so much? Ugh.

Darren Dreger's reporting skills amount to Robert De Niro's saying: "I've heard things".

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I could see Jokinen maybe welcoming a change, but I don't think JM will trade him unless he gets offered the world. It makes no sense to move him.

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all rumors with no hard evidence to back it up. Remember how bad the media made jokinen and his camp look when we were trying to resign him. Anywho, Bert i can see us listening to offers . But Jokinen , the face of the franchise , makes no bloody sense . And a reminder keenan is not the GM , Martin would not gamble on our future . hes a smart man , and will not be taken advantage of .

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with Keenan, I would be scared to see him trade guys like Horton or Jokinen


but with JM, it's different. I don't expect to see Horton or Jokinen be traded

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yeah i think jaques martin is gonna make a difference i can sence it.

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I've found with the trade deadline, the more talk there is about trading players, the less likely it is to happen.

Case in point is Jokinen last year. The media had him already dealt by the time he signed that 4-year extension.

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with Keenan, I would be scared to see him trade guys like Horton or Jokinen


but with JM, it's different. I don't expect to see Horton or Jokinen be traded
Totally agree with this post. If Martin and the new Asst. GM trade guys, it'll probably be the older vets.

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i dunno. i like olli but if JM has the opportunity to dramatically remake the team in a positive way by dealing him, i don't see how he could *not* listen. it all depends on who's offering what and while teams generally know what they have and don't have at this point in the season, things can change in the next few weeks - a win streak puts a marginal team on the playoff bubble; a contender suffers a major injury; etc.

consider this - may JM *will* trade jokinen or bert and maybe it *will* actually improve the team. it is possible.

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Jokinen is our best player, he's under contract for the next 3 years...why trade him?


we have first big center, still young, on contract for the next 3 years!!!

actualy, Horton has more chance to be trade than Jokinen.

I would be very surprised if JM trade Horton or Weiss, but if he does...it's gonna be "fair" deal. JM is not gonna ruin this team with trades, I trust him

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I think the part of this report that's probably true is that the Panthers are "listening". I.e. the Panthers want to sell, and therefore need to "listen" to what people want to buy. "Listening" to a request does not imply "ready to sell requested item". It's just a good sales technique to keep people in the store. If my spin is right, I'm actually damn glad they're "listening".

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I agree that you should keep Jokinen...

But heck, if he's on the market, I could see Gainey offering the world for him.

Don't flame me, it's just a fantasy proposal:

To MTL: Jokinen and Horton

To FLA: Michael Ryder, choice of Plekanec/Chipchura, choice of Kostsitsyn/Grabovski, choice of O'Byrne/Emelin, Price and 1st rounder

Basically:

Plekanec/Chipchura, Price and 1st for Jokinen
Ryder, Kostsitsyn/Grabovski and O'Byrne/Emelin for Horton

I think it's not bad. That would give you two top 6 forwards for next year, a 2nd line center, a potential top 4 d-man, a solid number one goalie in the making and a 1st round pick.

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I wouldn't deny that they were listening. But Dreger wants to make it sound like either or both will be traded. It's the Jokinen part that really irks me. After the 4 year contract, I thought we were done with this.

Moreso him saying that Jokinen is "not happy". Who is Dreger kidding? He's the captain, he's been through this for 7 years. I don't know, but he's got no sources and he sure makes it sound like pure speculation.

Also I made a kinda mean Dreger pic but I'm holding back from posting it

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I wouldn't deny that they were listening. But Dreger wants to make it sound like either or both will be traded. It's the Jokinen part that really irks me. After the 4 year contract, I thought we were done with this.

Moreso him saying that Jokinen is "not happy". Who is Dreger kidding? He's the captain, he's been through this for 7 years. I don't know, but he's got no sources and he sure makes it sound like pure speculation.

Also I made a kinda mean Dreger pic but I'm holding back from posting it
Who said he has no source?

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Who said he has no source?
Considering this is the first most of us, if not all, have heard of this and no source is quoted, I'd venture to agree with P-Rock. Where'd this come from?

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Considering this is the first most of us, if not all, have heard of this and no source is quoted, I'd venture to agree with P-Rock. Where'd this come from?
He is a sports writer/repoter, most of the credible ones have sources, and most of them don't tell who their sources are because they don't want to lose them. Don't forget, this guy is not just some blogger doing this for fun.

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****ing great.

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I agree that you should keep Jokinen...

But heck, if he's on the market, I could see Gainey offering the world for him.

Don't flame me, it's just a fantasy proposal:

To MTL: Jokinen and Horton

To FLA: Michael Ryder, choice of Plekanec/Chipchura, choice of Kostsitsyn/Grabovski, choice of O'Byrne/Emelin, Price and 1st rounder

Basically:

Plekanec/Chipchura, Price and 1st for Jokinen
Ryder, Kostsitsyn/Grabovski and O'Byrne/Emelin for Horton

I think it's not bad. That would give you two top 6 forwards for next year, a 2nd line center, a potential top 4 d-man, a solid number one goalie in the making and a 1st round pick.
nah

I wouldn't trade Jokinen and Horton for your entire first line, Koivu, Higgins and Ryder

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Lol it makes perfect sense. Jokinen's not been in the playoffs for what? 9 NHL seasons? Needless to say a lot. It's his responsability in part to step up and help but I mean can you blame the guy for being sick of losing? His style isn't the type of player that does everything by himself or dominates games. He's a great shooter and can score goals as well as set up so you can blame his lousy linemates in part for his point struggles. Peltonen is a crafty player, Gelinas sucks, Horton is ok I guess but really isn't a good match with Olli IMO because both are shooters. Just the whole mess with us losing always, teh Luongo situation, future uncertainty, and the same promises that we'll win and we don't probably are wearing on him and of course you can't blame him at all for that.

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He is a sports writer/repoter, most of the credible ones have sources, and most of them don't tell who their sources are because they don't want to lose them. Don't forget, this guy is not just some blogger doing this for fun.
But often their sources aren't as reliable as they think - remember they have a job to produce articles regardless of checking up on little things called facts. They get a rumor they will often rush to print it without any verification. This is journalism, after all, not reporting. Reporting is almost extinct in this day and age.

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Jokinen is our best player, he's under contract for the next 3 years...why trade him?
i doubt that he will be traded but, a) i don't think he'll ever have more value than he does right now, b) this organization has holes to fill at every level, from the show on down to a need for picks/prospects, c) his points and leadership are not irreplacable.

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But often their sources aren't as reliable as they think - remember they have a job to produce articles regardless of checking up on little things called facts. They get a rumor they will often rush to print it without any verification. This is journalism, after all, not reporting. Reporting is almost extinct in this day and age.
i agree. i would take this with a grain of salt. i would be surprised if JM dealt olli but if he did, i have a feeling it would be part of a deal that would make us all happy so i'm not worrying.... yet.

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i doubt that he will be traded but, a) i don't think he'll ever have more value than he does right now, b) this organization has holes to fill at every level, from the show on down to a need for picks/prospects, c) his points and leadership are not irreplacable.



i agree. i would take this with a grain of salt. i would be surprised if JM dealt olli but if he did, i have a feeling it would be part of a deal that would make us all happy so i'm not worrying.... yet.
Agreed and agreed. Wouldn't like to see Jokinen go, but if he isn't part of Martin's future makeup of the team, then it makes sense to get the best value for him now.

This trade deadline and offseason will be critical to how this team gets shaped in the coming years. If Cohen truly sticks it out with Martin, then it should all come together. He'll likely want to shed the Keenan and Dudley players that aren't too enthused to be under his tutelage.

On paper, it might not look like the best thing to do, but sometimes cleaning house (even with your best players) is essential if you're trying to establish a specific culture in the locker room.

That's not to take away anything from Jokinen, but maybe he and Martin aren't exactly on the same page right now.

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I think the part of this report that's probably true is that the Panthers are "listening". I.e. the Panthers want to sell, and therefore need to "listen" to what people want to buy. "Listening" to a request does not imply "ready to sell requested item". It's just a good sales technique to keep people in the store. If my spin is right, I'm actually damn glad they're "listening".
I agree. Nice analysis.

A good GM is always "listening". Unless you are talking about a generational talent, you listen to everything. For example, JayBo is "untouchable". If someone offers a kings ransom for him, would he be untouchable?

The problem with the Panthers is not the players we trade. It's the return we get. Why? Players are traded at the nadir, not the peak, of value. They are traded when they let it be known they don't want to be here. In short the Panthers have always violated the first law of investing. Buy low, sell high.

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