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01-24-2011, 06:33 AM
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Might agree on Alfredsson but Markus Näslund? Come on. Steen and Gustafsson should be ranked higher.
Naslund had most points in NHL between 2001-2004 . Three consecutive first all star team and a Lester B.

Steen and Gustafsson is not even close to be considered among the best player overall in NHL during their careers. .

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01-24-2011, 08:53 AM
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Naslund had most points in NHL between 2001-2004 . Three consecutive first all star team and a Lester B.

Steen and Gustafsson is not even close to be considered among the best player overall in NHL during their careers. .
There is more to hockey than putting up points. Steen and Gustafsson were just better players.

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01-24-2011, 10:09 AM
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There is more to hockey than putting up points. Steen and Gustafsson were just better players.
You are right but if Steen and Gustafsson were better why haven't they not even a second all star,selke or something like that? Steen or Gustafsson had never been considered as a superstar in NHL while Naslund had been there.

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01-24-2011, 11:38 AM
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Lidstrom is without a doubt number one.

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Might agree on Alfredsson but Markus Näslund? Come on. Steen and Gustafsson should be ranked higher.
Not a chance.

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You are right but if Steen and Gustafsson were better why haven't they not even a second all star,selke or something like that? Steen or Gustafsson had never been considered as a superstar in NHL while Naslund had been there.
Näslund was never a superstar in the NHL. He was considered a great goalscorer. Gustafsson and Steen are just better all-around players. Näslund got his three seasons and the other two had extensive careers both in the NHL and internationally and most important of all they didnt under perform in important games.

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Andreas Dackell before the Sedin twins....I just threw up slightly.
pneps list is 3 yrs old man

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Näslund was never a superstar in the NHL. He was considered a great goalscorer. Gustafsson and Steen are just better all-around players. Näslund got his three seasons and the other two had extensive careers both in the NHL and internationally and most important of all they didnt under perform in important games.
Naslund won a Pearson, was nominated for the Hart twice, was named First Team All-Star LW three consecutive years. Three top-5s in points, two top-5s in goals.

Steen/Gustafsson would have to play Lehtinen-calibre defensive hockey to pass Naslund.

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I looked closer to this and Naslund had most points even if you include the season 2000-2001. So if you put up most points during a four consecutives season,three first all star and a Lester B. What had you to perform before you had to be considered as a superstar?

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I looked closer to this and Naslund had most points even if you include the season 2000-2001. So if you put up most points during a four consecutives season,three first all star and a Lester B. What had you to perform before you had to be considered as a superstar?
a superstar to me is someone who is undoubtly a top player for an extended period of time. Like Jagr for example or Richard. Näslund is a star sure but he wasnt a star when it came to important games or international for that matter. If we were discussing peak only then I would rank him higher though.

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Is D. Sedin's nickname really "Dank"?

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# Player Name POS "HHOF Monitor" Points
1 Nicklas "Lidas" Lidstrom D 2276,05
2 Peter "Peter the Great" Forsberg C 1505,50
3 Markus "Nazzy" Naslund LW 1161,00
4 Mats "Sudden" Sundin C 1077,50
5 Borje "King" Salming D 957,40
6 Daniel "Alfie" Alfredsson RW 682,00
7 Mats "Le Petit Viking" Naslund LW 573,50
8 Tomas "Tommie Gun" Sandstrom RW 572,00
9 Stefan "Rico" Persson D 450,80
10 Ulf "Robocop" Samuelsson D 434,95
11 Kent "The Magic Man" Nilsson C 410,00
12 Thomas "Tommy" Steen C 397,45
13 Ulf Dahlen RW 393,50
14 Hakan "Hawk" Loob RW 390,00
15 Calle Johansson D 374,30
16 Tommy "Abbe" Albelin D 370,40
17 Mikael "Renny" Renberg RW 360,50
18 Fredrik Olausson D 359,75
19 Pelle "Gumper" Lindbergh G 355,50
20 Kjell "Sammy" Samuelsson D 335,15
21 Tomas "Homer" Holmstrom LW 325,00
22 Tomas "T.J." Jonsson D 316,20
23 Thomas Gradin C 303,50
24 Michael "Nyllet" Nylander C 302,50
25 Anders "Andy" Kallur RW 287,50
26 Fredrik "Mo" Modin LW 282,00
27 Bo "Willy The Wisp" Lindstrom RW 279,50
28 Patrik Sundstrom C 267,50
29 Per-Erik "Pelle" Eklund C 257,00
30 Mattias "Notan" Norstrom D 247,20
31 Bengt-Ake "Gunner" Gustafsson C 245,50
32 Anders "The Swedish Express" Hedberg RW 238,50
33 Niklas "Sunny" Sundstrom RW 224,00
34 Kenny Jonsson D 213,70
35 Johan "Garpen" Garpenlov LW 196,00
36 Mattias "Matty" Ohlund D 194,10
37 Marcus "Rags" Ragnarsson D 189,05
38 Magnus "The Machine" Arvedson LW 177,00
39 Juha "Whitey" Widing C 173,50
40 Jonas "Hogie" Hoglund LW 169,00
41 Jorgen Pettersson LW 166,50
42 Anders "Butsy" Eriksson D 164,00
43 Niclas "Secret Weapon" Wallin D 161,25
44 Dackell Andreas RW 151,50
45 Lars "Lurch" Lindgren D 146,20
46 Henrik "Hank" Sedin C 139,00
47 Daniel "Dank" Sedin LW 136,50
48 Mikael Andersson LW 135,50
49 Tommy "Tom Cat" Salo G 135,50
50 Henrik "Hank" Zetterberg LW 134,00
Might I express my outrage at everyone below...like...Calle Johansson, coming before Henrik Lundqvist?

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It would be weird and boring if everyone had the same order in their lists, eh?

I rank the players not only after skill, If so Lidstrom would not be in block one.
Think I wrote it somewhere in the first post, that I include skill, longtivety and merits. Winning a Stanley Cup beats Pearson for instance. That's why Alfie and Naslund isn't ranked higher.

Why I rank some of the guys from 70/80s higher is because the league was a lot tougher to break into for non NA.players. If "Gus" played today, with his playmaking skills, his leadership and smartness, he would easily be where younger fans sees Alfie today, or even higher. That's why I can't be too high on some of today's players because the game, coaches and so on are alot more Europeanfriendly.

On my list I forgot to squeeze in Pelle Lindbergh and Calle Johansson. I guess Pelle belongs in block 2, thanx to breaking ground for Swedish goalies and his death leading to legendary status. Calle to block 3.

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I mean...when a player like Zuccarello gets playingtime in NHL, the league is not the same anymore....

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Might I express my outrage at everyone below...like...Calle Johansson, coming before Henrik Lundqvist?
...and that list is still 3 years old.

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a superstar to me is someone who is undoubtly a top player for an extended period of time. Like Jagr for example or Richard. Näslund is a star sure but he wasnt a star when it came to important games or international for that matter. If we were discussing peak only then I would rank him higher though.
What is it about Steen's or Gustafsson's game that puts either of them ahead of Naslund? It sounds to me like you just don't like Naslund.

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pneps list is 3 yrs old man
Well the Sedins have been point per game guys since 2005 so I just threw up more then.

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01-24-2011, 05:21 PM
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Näslund was never a superstar in the NHL. He was considered a great goalscorer. Gustafsson and Steen are just better all-around players. Näslund got his three seasons and the other two had extensive careers both in the NHL and internationally and most important of all they didnt under perform in important games.
Are you kidding me. He was a top 5 forward in the league from 2001-2004 and won a major award. Neither Steen or Gustafsson come close.

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I rank the players not only after skill, If so Lidstrom would not be in block one.
Think I wrote it somewhere in the first post, that I include skill, longtivety and merits. Winning a Stanley Cup beats Pearson for instance. That's why Alfie and Naslund isn't ranked higher.

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Kallur,Persson would be a lock to block one if you rank a Stanley Cup higher than a Lester B.

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When was this list updated?

Zetterberg at 50th place with a Conn Smythe and a Stanley Cup under his belt?
And why is Markus Naslund rated higher then Alfredsson? He has way less points in more games. Never took his team as far in the playoffs and his playoff stats arent as good either.

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Best NHL careers, swedish players, born 1970<

1. N. Lidström
2. P. Forsberg
3. M. Sundin
4. D. Alfredsson
5. H. Lundquist
6. H. Zetterberg
7. M. Näslund
8. The Sedins
9. E. Karlsson
10. N. Bäckström
11. N. Kronwall
12. K. Jönsson
13. M. Norström
14. M. Öhlund
15. M. Renberg
16. T. Holmström
17. J. Franzén
18. M. Nylander
19. J. Hedberg
20. F. Modin

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There is more to hockey than putting up points. Steen and Gustafsson were just better players.
No. Just no.

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No. Just no.
Care to elaborate? Since this is a discussion forum and all.

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Thanks for the bump....

I totally got fooled as I read and saw how low some guys where. I mean, Salo ahead of Lundqvist? lol

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I would say Peter Forsberg is certainly the #1 Swedish-born player to ever play in the NHL... by which I mean his peak was the highest peak any Swede has shown. I don't even think it's close, to be honest.

But I guess you'd have to say Lidström has had the best overall career.

Depends on how you look at it.

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