What do you guys think? Can he fill the 2nd line C position? He had 69 points last year, 3rd amongst rookies and you all know who he was behind.
Him and Brad Stuart are both possibilities. I think the rangers can take a shot at both.
I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard he was on the block. I doubt he would be the ideal 2nd line guy but that would give us some real depth at center, and would come cheap. If we can't get that ideal center, Brad Boyes would be an excellent pickup for us. We could be helping now while still preparing for the future.
I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard he was on the block. I doubt he would be the ideal 2nd line guy but that would give us some real depth at center, and would come cheap. If we can't get that ideal center, Brad Boyes would be an excellent pickup for us. We could be helping now while still preparing for the future.
If so, we probably say goodbye to Immonen and a pick/prospect
If so, we probably say goodbye to Immonen and a pick/prospect
Well first of all, multiple reports have stated the Bruins would give him away as easily as a for a draft pick. Boyes is essentially what Immonen would peak out to be. I would definitely trade Immonen to get Boyes.
If so, we probably say goodbye to Immonen and a pick/prospect
Both are the same exact age basically (Boyes is 2 days older) and right now I would have to say that Boyes has a brighter future than Immonen (for the Rangers at least)
I can't beleive some of my fellow Ranger fans would be against getting Brad.. As I stated in another thread, I'd give up our first rounder this year for him. If a lower pick is needed, Sather MUST act on it.
Seriously though, Immonen and a 4th rounder for Boyes. That is probably more than they want for Boyes, but if it means we can get him, we should definitely do this. He'd be perfect for this team. The guy can score, pass, play defense. I could very well see him as a future Brendan Shanahan in terms of the intangibles and versatility.
Definitely agree hlundqvist30... i can see the rangers making this trade. But in doing so they would virtually give up on Immonen so I would have to see him in this trade. In that case Immo for Boyes sign me up.
I can also see Stuart being a part of this deal. He's a good hitter and a guy we can use on the blueline.
what exactly is it about boyes that make people say he isn't an 'ideal 2nd line center'?? was it the 43 assists he had last year on a bad team?? was it the fact that he finished 3rd in assists and points among rookies behind only crosby & ovechkin?
if you can get boyes without giving anything of value up then its a no brainer. most of the trade talk involves deciding to morgage the future to win now. but acquiring boyes, who is 24, would be a move that not only doesn't hurt the future but helps us now and in the future.
i doubt boston is just gonna give him away, but if they are we should make that deal yesterday.
well you said it yourself. 43 assists on a bad team. Its not like he was playing with Ilya Kovalchuk and Gaborik. I'm not saying he's an "ideal" 2nd line center, but for his price I think we can take a shot at him.
Anything is currently better than Betts at 2nd line center. Do you think he's "ideal"?
43 assists on a bad team makes them even more impressive...put him on a good team next to shanahan and that probably becomes 60-70 assists and that was as a rookie. he is a 2nd line center no question about it.
EDIT: on the last post, my bad. Read it wrong. Thought you said "what exactly is it about boyes that make people say he is an 'ideal 2nd line center'??"
Do you guys think the Bruins would do Boyes and Stuart for Immonen and a condintional pick (2nd rounder if he resigns or a 3rd rounder if he leaves via free agency)?
Do you guys think the Bruins would do Boyes and Stuart for Immonen and a condintional pick (2nd rounder if he resigns or a 3rd rounder if he leaves via free agency)?
I think they'd want something for Stuart. Boyes could move for the pick but Immonen for Stuart probably wouldn't fly.
Boston just got demolished by the Sabres 7-1, now is the time to pounce on them and try to nab a Boyes or a Stuart. I'd like to get both, but if push came to shove I think Stuart could be a real benefit to us now, he would add some grit to our backline because he loves to throw his body around, only prob is that he is a UFA at the end of the year. I also believe after tonight he will be a -19 for the year which would normally concern me a tad but Malik has shown me that stat means very little.
Boyes is a good player, he might just need a change of scenery. Of course, if he comes to New York, he could pull an Adam Hall and completely fall off the face of the earth. Somehow I don't think that will happen though. I think he'd be inserted on the 2nd line right off the bat to set Shanny up. He's got more speed than Immo and a better hockey sense IMO.
For the right price, I'd definitely go and deal for him.
I think +/- is very deceiving. For a defenseman, if they are a plus, it's usually because of the forwards on the ice with them, nothing special that d-man did. The minus however might be a more telling stat, but remember that in each game only 6 d-men and 12 forwards dress, so in theory each d-man is on the ice for more goals for and against than any forward, in fact strictly numberwise it's a 2:1 ratio.
Stuart being a -19 is a function of how mediocre the Bruins are, and could be who he's paired with. If he's killing penalties, he's going to get minuses whenever his team gives up a PPG, and with the league's crackdown on stick fouls, there are more PPs and therefore more PPGs.
I really like Brad Boyes. He carried a pretty awful Bruins team down the stretch last year. As long as it doesn't mean giving up Dubinsky or Callahan (which I doubt), I'm all in favor of trying to deal for him.
