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02-07-2007, 11:26 AM
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will he get he get picked up on re-entry is the question?
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Samsonov not getting claimed at 3.5 mil is that unbelievable?
lol, not.. it's just i can't find anything anywhere yet.

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lol, not.. it's just i can't find anything anywhere yet.
TSN has it for about half an hour now (in the ice chips section)

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Goes to show you one mistake will really handcuff a team.
Handcuff us? It frees up a ton of cap space for a deadline deal.

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According to Bob Mackenzie he feels he may spend some time in Hamilton cause if he is picked up on re-entry waivers Montreal will be on the hook for half of 3.5 million next year.

Goes to show you one mistake will really handcuff a team.
Well, the Habs clearly haven't been in the least bit handcuffed by the mistake. Teams who are willing to play hardball can slip the cuffs with ease.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see if Samsonov would report to Hamilton. If he's sent there, one has to imagine from the content of his recent quotes that he wouldn't accept going there. Hopefully that is the next step. The whole scenario with the pre-arranged trade with Philly taking him on re-entry seems too complicated.

Samsonov would even more clearly be in Gainey's "Dog"house if they send him down.

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Not a surprise he cleared. Between the fact that he's got a $3,525,000 cap number and that a bunch of teams are up near the cap as it is, no one is going to take him on and put themselves even closer.

I still wouldn't be surprised if Montreal ends up swinging a deal to trade him out. Anyone who's actually interested in Samsonov will very likely want to clear a salary off their own roster and preserve cap space for a couple weeks from now.

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Shhh, don't hand out Edklund's source, it's been there since noon, he has to make it look like he's the one who's getting a scoop.

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TSN has it for about half an hour now (in the ice chips section)
NAh! it can't be true.. i checked that page something like 10 minutes ago! thanks

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Montreal won't recall him as they don't want to be stuck for half of his salary on their cap. He'll probably rot in the AHL until he is traded (if he is traded).

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of course he passed through. nobody wants that junk with his terrible contract.

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Montreal won't recall him as they don't want to be stuck for half of his salary on their cap. He'll probably rot in the AHL until he is traded (if he is traded).
did they already assign him to Hamilton ?

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If he is assigned to the AHL he becomes untradable & is stuck there for the rest of the season unless Montreal recalls him. Who would trade for him then risk losing him on re-entry waivers & paying half his salary.

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Will he be subject to re-entry?

Fans have been clamouring for MTL to leave Sammy in the minors, "to let him rot". Is that a likely possibility? I understand cap space is important, but so is a team's budget, and cost control. This is still a business.

Samsonov is taking 3.5 million from the Canadiens for all of next season, as well as the amount owed to him for the remainder of this season. Sure, they're saving themselves the entire amount in cap space, but they're still spending the entire salary.

If claimed on re-entry, they'd be subject to Samsonov's cap hit again, but only at 50%. However, they'd no longer be responsible for paying for his salary. Is an additional ~2.35 million in cap space over the next ~1.33 years worth a ~4.7 million dollar expense?

Also, does Montreal typically operate within a budget that is below the cap? If so, it would be even more unlikely that they wouldn't subject him to re-entry. A real budget is much different than the cap. Waiving a player and sending him to the AHL doesn't clear him from the budget, like it does the cap. That dollar amount would no longer be available to sign players. Also, would mean that Montreal already operates with some cap space to spare. Their budget situation would possibly a good indication of whether they'd subject Sammy to re-entry or not.

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NAh! it can't be true.. i checked that page something like 10 minutes ago! thanks
it isn't true...

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Montreal won't recall him as they don't want to be stuck for half of his salary on their cap. He'll probably rot in the AHL until he is traded (if he is traded).
And just the beer money from the first post Gillette/Hicks takeover Liverpool home game will pay the salary for all of next year if need be.

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theoretical question:

If Samsonov is in the AHL, and another team trades for him while he's still in the AHL, does Samsonov still have to go thru re-entry waivers, or are re-entry waivers not applicable after he's changed teams, meaning that he could freely be recalled?

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Also, does Montreal typically operate within a budget that is below the cap? If so, it would be even more unlikely that they wouldn't subject him to re-entry. A real budget is much different than the cap. Waiving a player and sending him to the AHL doesn't clear him from the budget, like it does the cap. That dollar amount would no longer be available to sign players. Also, would mean that Montreal already operates with some cap space to spare. Their budget situation would possibly a good indication of whether they'd subject Sammy to re-entry or not.
Montreal is essentially operating right at the cap limit now (within $1M) and projects to have more than they can handle in terms of signing their existing RFA's and UFA's this summer, so they will again undoubtedly cozy up as close to the new cap limit as possible.

There also don't seem to be any particular budget restraints aside from the cap anymore. While there were some rougher times over the past decade, it seems like they are once again rolling in the $$$ that they should be with such a huge fanbase, even given their long-lamented tax hurdles. Personally, I don't think the extra dollars out of the pocket are going to be as meaningful as the cap space. The Habs seem to be gearing themselves towards legitimate contention (or at least, trying to). Ideally, they would love to be legitimate Cup contenders in the 2009 centennial year. (Well, any time before that would be nice too... but for the centennial, they might pull out ALL the stops). Cash won't be any obstacle along the way, or in the meantime. If ducking Sammy's cap hit today (but still paying him $5M salary) is part of the way we can get Markov, Souray, Bonk, and Johnson signed long term (and hence ensure their spots on the centennial team as well), then $5M lost out of the pocket is not remotely a concern.

All that said, I still think it's a moot point... to hear him talk the last little while, it's pretty clear that Sergei Samsonov's ego won't let him accept an assignment to the minors. So presuming he refuses, he can be suspended and the Habs will have neither cap hit nor salary payments to make.

Incidentally... it becomes an even mootier point if the Habs don't ever send Samsonov down at all. Now that the harshest wakeup call possible has been sent, it's most likely of any of the scenarios that they now let him try to redeem himself with the team.


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I think Abeisher and Zednik would have to go too

I think that Washington would be upset if the Habs were to trade Zednik.

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Samsonov is a good dangler, great creative passer, decent shot, has some moves, and is lightning fast. *** is the problem here? Did he not get any ice time or did he not fit the system? Whoever picks him up may be pleasantly suprised.

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Montreal is essentially operating right at the cap limit now (within $1M) and projects to have more than they can handle in terms of signing their existing RFA's and UFA's this summer, so they will again undoubtedly cozy up as close to the new cap limit as possible.

There also don't seem to be any particular budget restraints aside from the cap anymore. While there were some rougher times over the past decade, it seems like they are once again rolling in the $$$ that they should be with such a huge fanbase, even given their long-lamented tax hurdles. Personally, I don't think the extra dollars out of the pocket are going to be as meaningful as the cap space. The Habs seem to be gearing themselves towards legitimate contention (or at least, trying to). Ideally, they would love to be legitimate Cup contenders in the 2009 centennial year. (Well, any time before that would be nice too... but for the centennial, they might pull out ALL the stops). Cash won't be any obstacle along the way, or in the meantime. If ducking Sammy's cap hit today (but still paying him $5M salary) is part of the way we can get Markov, Souray, Bonk, and Johnson signed long term (and hence ensure their spots on the centennial team as well), then $5M lost out of the pocket is not remotely a concern.

All that said, I still think it's a moot point... to hear him talk the last little while, it's pretty clear that Sergei Samsonov's ego won't let him accept an assignment to the minors. So presuming he refuses, he can be suspended and the Habs will have neither cap hit nor salary payments to make.

Incidentally... it becomes an even mootier point if the Habs don't ever send Samsonov down at all. Now that the harshest wakeup call possible has been sent, it's most likely of any of the scenarios that they now let him try to redeem himself with the team.
Excellent post, I think Gainey was just trying to get into the drivers seat with this whole situation. And by sending this message to Samsonov hopefully he will play with a little desire. This also allows Gainey to send him down to the minors at no discretion if he picks up a rather large salary at the deadline.

As for Montreal's budget, I dont really think theyre budget is too fixed..considering how much they make on revenues. They have the biggest stadium(21,723) and one of the biggest fan bases in the league. And Gillett(owner of the Canadiens) just bought Liverpool FC, so I really dont think Samsonov's 4.5 million or whatever is left is going to make much of a difference.

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Samsonov is a good dangler, great creative passer, decent shot, has some moves, and is lightning fast. *** is the problem here? Did he not get any ice time or did he not fit the system? Whoever picks him up may be pleasantly suprised.
Carbonneau never gave him a top 6 chance without being on a line with Kovalev, and those two did not complement each other very well, IMO. After he was scratched the first time he came back with 3 solid games in a row, which led me to think that Carbonneau made a mistake about scratching him the secound time. He found success with the third line, Samsonov-Bonk-Johnson and I thought he was one of Montreal's better players through those three games. Hopefully Sergei and Carbs will sit down and have a talk. I would like to see Samsonov get a shot with Koivu on the first line. But who knows, well just have to wait and see what unfolds.

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The only ill-effect MTL could suffer is from other UFAs who don't want to be offered big money and then be sent to the minors, (as some posters think its not Sammy, its the way he's being used), as has happened with samsonov.

And I believe that if he is traded, he would have to go through re-entry waivers if called up, (same as Baumgartner).

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