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02-07-2007, 01:17 AM
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Our PK has hit a wall.

I dont know if its a false Idea I'm getting but it seems to me that most of the goals are scored from the blue line.

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02-07-2007, 01:20 AM
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I get the impression as a game as a whole, the opposition has adjusted to Montreal, and Carbs and Company haven't matched it.

The PK is looking lost, the PP has slowed down a lot, and 5 on 5, its a mismatch of forwards pulled from a hat.

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02-07-2007, 01:23 AM
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The teams now know that Montreal concentrates on blocking the plays near the slot so they shoot or pass from the point now.

Just look at Crosby the other day when he passed to Whitney to score a goal he just went higher instead of going low where a pass was impossible.

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02-07-2007, 01:30 AM
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The teams now know that Montreal concentrates on blocking the plays near the slot so they shoot or pass from the point now.

Just look at Crosby the other day when he passed to Whitney to score a goal he just went higher instead of going low where a pass was impossible.

There is some bad habits on the PK forming too. Bouillon on multiple occasions didn't have his stick on the ice nor in the passing lane in that game.

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02-07-2007, 08:23 AM
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I dont know if its a false Idea I'm getting but it seems to me that most of the goals are scored from the blue line.
I have said all year long, this is smoke and mirrors folks, our whole season has been
special teams, and riding Huet for a while, we have serious problems upfront , that were never adressed . I TOLD EVEYONE GO GET SAVARD , AT LEAST YOU HAVE A
LEGIT 80-90 POINT GUY , OUR # 11 IS NOT A FRONT LINE CNETER ANYMORE.

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02-07-2007, 08:36 AM
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Since the start of the season i feel we leaving too much space for the pointmen, but it worked for quite some time. At least I can now say to my friends "I told you so"...

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02-07-2007, 08:38 AM
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Begin will help the PK.

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02-07-2007, 08:41 AM
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The problem I see with out PK over the past little while is they have become tentitive on when to force the play. When we were having success on the PK earlier in the year, we forced the play all the time, getting on the guy with the puck before he had a bunch of time to decide what to do. It seems to me we have fallen back into the passive box a little too much.

I don't mind if the team allows a few PP goals, as long as the opposition has to make a couple/few good plays to score. I mean you will allow a certain number of PP goals, no matter how good your PK'ing is.

Another factor to consider when looking at our PK'ing, is Huet is better than Abby wehn our team is shorthanded. When our PK is at it's best, Huet is in net, and controlling the rebounds. Abby has never been a great goalie for controling rebounds (although lately he has looked better at it, but...)

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Another factor to consider when looking at our PK'ing, is Huet is better than Abby wehn our team is shorthanded. When our PK is at it's best, Huet is in net, and controlling the rebounds. Abby has never been a great goalie for controling rebounds (although lately he has looked better at it, but...)
Thought I'd repost this in this thread since it seems to belong here. I was wondering the same thing about Huet vs. Aebischer during the PK yesterday and JMMR was kind enough to compile the stats.


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I get the impression that the PK is worse in games when Aebischer is in nets though. Wonder if there's a stat compiled on that to see if my hunch is correct or if it just seems that way because of the recent games.
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Well Aebischer has allowed 22 PP goals this season and 8 in his last three games.

1/3rd of Aebischer GA are power play goals. Those 22 PP goals were scored in 23 games.

Huet has allowed 23 PP goals this season and 8 in his last six games.

Less than a quarter of Huet's goals against have been power play goals.
Hard to blame the goalie alone though - the PK is definitely less aggressive and seems to block less shots. They do however say your most important player on the PK is the goalie. Huet's rebound control and better ability at stopping shots from the point is definitely an asset to the PK (I find Aebischer brutal on point shots, hence the importance of blocking shots and being aggressive on the points - but you can't block them all).

It's kind of ironic that after all the *****ing about the +/- stat and the 5-on-5 play, the team is now ok over the last several games (+4 since the all star game) but they're losing games.

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02-07-2007, 02:36 PM
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The PK has become a passive box, instead of an active one. Players get free rides to stand in front of our goaltenders. So you combine a screened goalie with a free shot from the slot, and you'll get a goal.

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There is some bad habits on the PK forming too. Bouillon on multiple occasions didn't have his stick on the ice nor in the passing lane in that game.
Bouillon shouldn't even play on the PK.

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02-07-2007, 02:40 PM
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here is Higgins' take on why the PK is struggling...


"We know it has been a problem," said Chris Higgins, who is a key member of the penalty-killing unit. "It's something that we talk about in the room.

"The big problem is that we aren't as aggressive as we were earlier in the season," Higgins added. "And we're not doing a good job of filling the shooting lanes. We're letting the point men take a step to the side to get a clear shot."


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well here is Higgins' take on why the PK is struggling...


"We know it has been a problem," said Chris Higgins, who is a key member of the penalty-killing unit. "It's something that we talk about in the room.

"The big problem is that we aren't as aggressive as we were earlier in the season," Higgins added. "And we're not doing a good job of filling the shooting lanes. We're letting the point men take a step to the side to get a clear shot."
Read my above post. You may not know it, but I know what I'm talking about!

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02-07-2007, 03:28 PM
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Read my above post. You may not know it, but I know what I'm talking about!
I dont remember ever commenting on whether or not you "know it"
I was just quoting what Higgins said...

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I dont remember ever commenting on whether or not you "know it"
I was just quoting what Higgins said...
I was just quoting your post because what Higgins said was almost identical to what I said. I wasn't trying to "prove a point" with you, sorry.

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I was just quoting your post because what Higgins said was almost identical to what I said. I wasn't trying to "prove a point" with you, sorry.
o ok...yea..tru...i see what u mean!
no worries

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just look at Williams last night pitching a tent in front of Aebischer, it'll explain a lot.

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just look at Williams last night pitching a tent in front of Aebischer, it'll explain a lot.
thats what pissed me off the most last night...the fact that Abby just took it...i didnt try to push him out of the way...tap his knees, legs with his stick...nothing...

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just look at Williams last night pitching a tent in front of Aebischer, it'll explain a lot.
wait...what? Even through his jock strap?

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wait...what? Even through his jock strap?
I pretty much had the same thought.

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here is Higgins' take on why the PK is struggling...


"We know it has been a problem," said Chris Higgins, who is a key member of the penalty-killing unit. "It's something that we talk about in the room.

"The big problem is that we aren't as aggressive as we were earlier in the season," Higgins added. "And we're not doing a good job of filling the shooting lanes. We're letting the point men take a step to the side to get a clear shot."
Glad to see that I wasnt just imagining things. And I think it all started with the leafs. Kaberle and McCabe keep scoring PP goals from the point against the Habs. Maybe teams figured they'd do the same.

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The poor performance on the PK is a byproduct of the poor play of the team.

Koivu, Higgins, Komisarek, Rivet. These guys were our PK anchors earlier in the season. As they struggle, so does the PK.

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02-07-2007, 04:52 PM
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Why don't these guys get down on the ice and block shots?

I feel the Canes winning goal could have been prevented if Johnson grew some testicles and got down on the ice and took one for the team.

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02-07-2007, 05:11 PM
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Why don't these guys get down on the ice and block shots?
I think blocking a shot is more of an art than people give it credit for. When a player decides to attempt to block a shot, he has to realize that he is taking himself out of the play for a brief while, turning a 5 on 4 into a 5 on 3, if he doesn't block the shot. Also the player needs to time the block and make sure he takes to the ice in a way where he isn't going to get hurt.

I would love to see more of our players block shots ala Craig Ludwig, but I have a feeling a bunch of them would look a lot more like poor Trent McCleary.

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Begin will help the PK.
+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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