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02-07-2007, 08:01 AM
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The Rest Of The Season

Just speculation on what we may expect or not expect from the team down the stretch.Well hear we are at somewhat of a crossroads in the schedule and standings.Seems these 3 games coming up may or may not be our demise.We could by winning these next two out of 3 games poll vault up the standing into a tie with thrashers.Then again we may lose these 3 games to be outside loooking in on the top 8.Ottawa has put itself in a very unstable situation that the team has not been in before simply by not being able to adapt quick enough.Don't get me wrong Ottawa has a very talented team but there are major flaws in there game that are somewhat predictable .Sens seem to be able to shine in games that they have dictated the flow of the game and put intense forchecking pressure on other teams .But that team doesn't show up all the time. They look terrible when another team does it to them simply falling apart in ther own zone looking like a bush league team.Very inconsistent and fragile .This dump and chase game there playing is terrible ,other teams find it easy now to control this team simply by letting them shoot from the perimeter and bad angles all night long .the last game against against the leafs i yelled juring the game "your never gonna score from there you bunch of idiots " i apologize to team and wife for yelling and calling names .I don't so much blame the team as i blame the coach there's to much talent on this team to play this way.Sure your all gonna jump down my back saying ottawa has won so many games lately .Well i say to you simply watch when the games matter more and more and see what type of team shows up.I have great expectations for this team no doom and gloom .In all honesty i can't see this team being any better then a flashy regular season team .We are sitting on top of the fence right now what way do we fall .I wrote this little article to see what you think may happen in the next few days thats all .

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02-07-2007, 08:09 AM
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Paragraphs my freind. The cornerstone to any solid post.

We have been playing some outstanding hockey since December, made a 12 point lead by the Habs disappear and are only getting better. We have shown an ability to come back in games when we are down and it will help in the playoffs. This team has took a while longer to get the chemistry going but we are good. As bad as the first two periods were against the Leafs we came out flying in the third and made a game of it. The Sens will finish 4th in the Conference and go on a good playoff run.

We have shown the work ethic to be more then a "flashy team".

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02-07-2007, 08:12 AM
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Quick question: Where the hell did Pittsburgh come from?

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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I really want 4th, but 9th still worries me. We're only three points up on the leafs, a bad week and we could be out of the playoffs.

Hopefully we can keep up the work ethic we had during the injuries and not become a skilled team again.

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Quick question: Where the hell did Pittsburgh come from?
They've had a ridiculous number of games in hand for awhile now.

Now they're cashin 'em in, and getting points.

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They've had a ridiculous number of games in hand for awhile now.

Now they're cashin 'em in, and getting points.
This race is going to be much tighter than I had imagined.

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This race is going to be much tighter than I had imagined.
I thought for awhile there that we were out of the wood. Those standing look scary.
We can't afford to lose to0 many games. Even those stink'in Leafs are only 3 points behind us.....GO SENS GO!!!!

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Not only are the Leafs only 3 points behind,but right now they are out of the playoffs, so the Sens are only 3 points out of a non playoff spot. Montreal is 1 point ahead and Pittsburgh is tied with us with a game in hand, so they have taken over 5th spot.Right now those Penguins are really on the march!

It is going to be a dog fight,not only for position,but even to keep a playoff spot.

Those who are out of the race and not fighting for position are looking to be spoilers.
It will be an interesting run.

Yikes.

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02-07-2007, 10:22 AM
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Yeah the parity in the standings in this conference is ridiculous; you'd have a hard time identifying any team that is totally out of the picture other than the Flyers.

Other than Philly, looking at the standings, I'd say Washington and Florida have a poor chance of making it (tho not impossible). Everyone else is in. That's 12 teams with a decent chance, fighting for 8 spots.

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NJ

Do the players that makeup the New Jersey roster matter? Maybe the franchise is just good? Kind of like how the Senators franchise sucks at the playoffs?

Let's compare rosters:

Defensemen
Wade Redden - Brian Rafalski
Chris Phillips - Paul Martin
Anton Volchenkov - Colin White
Andrej Meszaros - Brad Lukowich
Tom Preissing - Johnny Oduya
Joe Corvo - David Hale
Christoph Schubert - Alex Brooks

On paper, we own NJ.

Wings
Patrik Elias - Daniel Alfredsson
Brian Gionta - Dany Heatley
Jamie Langenbrunner - Peter Schaefer
Sergei Brylin - Antoine Vermette
Jay Pandolfo - Patrick Eaves
Michael Rupp - Chris Neil
Cam Janssen - Dean McAmmond

I like our depth at the wing.

Centers
Scott Gomez - Jason Spezza
Zach Parise - Mike Comrie
John Madden - Mike Fisher
Travis Zajac - Chris Kelly

I'd say we're even at centre.

Goalies
Martin Brodeur - Ray Emery

Obviously the Devils win here, but Brodeur's numbers aren't blowing Emery's out of the water.

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Goals/g:
2.59 - 3.32 (Ott)

Goals Against/g
2.28 - 2.70

Goal Differential/g
0.31 - 0.62


PP% negligable
17.7 - 17.5

PK% negligable
84.6 - 84.4

NJ is up on us by 9 points. Taking the stats into account, it seems as though OTT is losing too many close games.

The difference between NJ and OTT must be something intangible like coaching or character.

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02-07-2007, 11:26 AM
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Do the players that makeup the New Jersey roster matter?
One player matters.

That's why he's getting Hart consideration.

He's 1st in wins, 1st in GAA, 2nd in SV % (by .001), 1st in shutouts.

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One player matters.

That's why he's getting Hart consideration.

He's 1st in wins, 1st in GAA, 2nd in SV % (by .001), 1st in shutouts.
The stats would indicate that the amount of goals Ottawa is scoring would make up the difference between Emery and Brodeur.

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The stats would indicate that the amount of goals Ottawa is scoring would make up the difference between Emery and Brodeur.
That's only if the discrepancy in goals for is applied consistently throughout the schedule.

We blow out teams with more frequency than the Devils. Those large data points skew the GF rating.

I agree that our offense is better but it only really helps us against weak teams, bad goaltenders or teams on a bad night.

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That's only if the discrepancy in goals for is applied consistently throughout the schedule.

We blow out teams with more frequency than the Devils. Those large data points skew the GF rating.

I agree that our offense is better but it only really helps us against weak teams, bad goaltenders or teams on a bad night.
I thought that effect might be offset by our crappy run at the beginning of the season, but most of those games were very close.

Hmmm, this sounds like the 2005-2006 Sens. Hopefully from now on, we'll see a team that battles and wins the close ones.

New Jersey is soooo coming out of the East.

Stupid Keenan...

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I did a little statistical analysis: (note: very quickly, there may be an error or two)

Ottawa Senators:

Wins:
1 goals - 6 times
2 goals - 8 times
3 goals - 10 times
4 goals - 1 time
5 goals - 3 times
6 goals - 1 time
7 goals - 1 time

Losses:
1 goals - 12 times
2 goals - 5 times
3 goals - 1 time
4 goals - 2 times
5 goals - 1 time
6 goals - 2 times
7 goals - 0 times

New Jersey Devils:

Wins:
1 goals - 17 times
2 goals - 5 times
3 goals - 4 times
4 goals - 2 times
5 goals - 1 time
6 goals - 0 times
7 goals - 0 times

Losses:
1 goal - 10 times
2 goals - 8 times
3 goals - 2 times
4 goals - 0 times
5 goals - 0 times
6 goals - 0 times
7 goals - 1 time

Do they play in a lot of 1-2 goal games or what???

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New Jersey is soooo coming out of the East.
I've picked them since late 2006 I think.

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When the game is within 2 goals:

Ottawa is 14-17

NJ is 22-18

Interesting....

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When the game is within 2 goals:

Ottawa is 14-17

NJ is 22-18

Interesting....
I'm more amazed by the 6-12 vs. 17-10 in one-goal games.

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I'm not a fan of the 1 goal game stat. Have games with empty netters been counted in the 1 goal game category?

IMO, it's really only a one goal game if it was solved in OT.

The Sens could easily have 20 one goal victories if they spent the last 10 seconds of a 2+ goal game filling their own net until it was close. (I know that might be a little extreme)

If anything, the 1 goal game stat shows me that the Sens are competitive in the games that they are beaten.

I'm not saying the Sens are great in tight games (last year's Sabres series come to mind.... 3 OT losses is brutal) but there has to be a better way to measure it stats wise.

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I'm more amazed by the 6-12 vs. 17-10 in one-goal games.
I reached for 2 goal to try to downplay the argument used when scores become "artificially" close, but NJ has the same oppurtunity, so yah 6-12 vs. 17-10 is terrible.

If NJ wasn't 9 pts up on us, I wouldn't worry about a stat like this.

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I'm not a fan of the 1 goal game stat. Have games with empty netters been counted in the 1 goal game category?

IMO, it's really only a one goal game if it was solved in OT.

The Sens could easily have 20 one goal victories if they spent the last 10 seconds of a 2+ goal game filling their own net until it was close. (I know that might be a little extreme)

If anything, the 1 goal game stat shows me that the Sens are competitive in the games that they are beaten.

I'm not saying the Sens are great in tight games (last year's Sabres series come to mind.... 3 OT losses is brutal) but there has to be a better way to measure it stats wise.
You could apply all the same logic to NJ, so the stats can be compared.

NJ is pretty competitive in the games they are beaten in as well.

NJ Losses:
1 goal - 10 times
2 goals - 8 times
3 goals - 2 times
4 goals - 0 times
5 goals - 0 times
6 goals - 0 times
7 goals - 1 time

Ott Losses:
1 goals - 12 times
2 goals - 5 times
3 goals - 1 time
4 goals - 2 times
5 goals - 1 time
6 goals - 2 times
7 goals - 0 times

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