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12-07-2003, 05:16 PM
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Players who should have stayed put.

This is about players who left a situation that seemed perfect for them to go to another team primarily through free agency.

I have a few

Cujo-Left his hometown to go to Detroit for a chance to win a cup. Boy did that go differently. Too bad because I like Cujo.

Scott Young- I know he is a streak scorer but he sure seemed to fit in better in STL than he does Dallas.

Marty Lapointe-Seemed to be a better fit in Detroit.

Sean Hill-Bombed in STL was the member of this group that got lucky because he ended up back in Carolina. Horrible signing by the Blues.

Bobby Holik-Seemed to be perfect for the NJ system. I dont know what the difference in money was but If it was close he should have stayed in NJ.

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12-07-2003, 05:19 PM
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Fleury leaving Calgary - though he was traded it was largely due to an impending unrestricted free agency.

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12-07-2003, 05:23 PM
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Fleury leaving Calgary - though he was traded it was largely due to an impending unrestricted free agency.
Good call his life as well as career has been in shambles since than. I hope Theo can make it back. He is getting up there in age though.

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12-07-2003, 05:26 PM
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I have another one Rudy Poeschek coming to STL he was never used right here and if I am correct he was one of Tampa's more popular players when he was there.

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Good call his life as well as career has been in shambles since than. I hope Theo can make it back. He is getting up there in age though.
Many people forget or dont realize Theoren's life was already in shambles when he left Calgary. He was already an alcoholic and dipping into drugs. In 1997 when Sheldon Kennedy came forward, his career took a nose dive. Leaving just made the situation worse. Although, I am not so sure what could have saved Theo.

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^Dipping into drugs eh? I didn't know that I thought he was just drinking heavily.

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^Dipping into drugs eh? I didn't know that I thought he was just drinking heavily.
Alcohol is a drug.

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12-07-2003, 05:33 PM
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^Dipping into drugs eh? I didn't know that I thought he was just drinking heavily.
From what I have heard, he did in fact pick up some of his drug habbits in Calgary after all the news on Sheldon Kennedy/Graham James broke out. It just intensified in Denver and especially New York. (Greenwhich, CT, where he was living)

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Any goaltender, before they came to Vancouver.

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Messier - should've stayed in NY and never have gone to Vancouver (but he did collect a fat paycheck).

That was the draw for Cujo and Holik as well though too (money), now look where it's gotten them.

Kariya and Hatcher - maybe it was angry ex-fans playing around with voodoo dolls, but they've both been sidelined most of the year.

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Quintal shouldn't have left Montreal in the first place to go to New York and then Chicago.

Heck, no one should go to New York.

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Lindros - not his fault, Clarke should be burned at the stake (sp?).
Why? Johnsson has done more in Philly than Eric has in NY.

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Why? Johnsson has done more in Philly than Eric has in NY.
He was talking about the well-being of Lindros.

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Any goaltender, before they came to Vancouver.
After Kirk McLean that is.

How about Pavel Bure? True, had a two successful personal seasons in Florida(captured the Richard Trophy while he was there) but basically was toast after that. Injuries didn't help.

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..Jagr - should have grown some balls. He lacks maturity and respect, but man is he a shadow of his former self in Washington. It's too bad he couldn't take a cut to stay in pitts. ...
What? And make 500,000 a year? Pitts couldn't afford him even if he took half of what he was making before he got traded..

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What? And make 500,000 a year? Pitts couldn't afford him even if he took half of what he was making before he got traded..
Jagr staying would have put more fans into their seats. Thus increasing income....increasing budget...new areana...Kovalev staying..Straka staying...

aww the good old days

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Lindros - not his fault, Clarke should be burned at the stake (sp?).
It's Clarke's fault Lindros slept with Brind'amour's wife?

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Bobby Holik-Seemed to be perfect for the NJ system. I dont know what the difference in money was but If it was close he should have stayed in NJ.

The saddest/funniest part is, the offers weren't that different. I beleive NJ offered 40 million over 5 years while the Ranger$ offered 45 over 5 (I might be wrong).

I think the one sticking point was that alot of the NJ money was deferred....

Either way, good call Bobby. Good call.

Funny antectdote (and pointless), last summer a friend of mine (big Rangers fan) and I had just got out of a movie in Times Square and were walking downtown and we ran into no one other than Bobby Holik. Fortunately, I had just brought my Stanley Cup hat that day and made sure he saw it. He was actually pretty cool and nice about it, congradulating the Devs and even told my friend that he'd do his best to get him a hat one day. We chatted some hockey for a few minutes as we walked before he had to rush off to a meeting. With who? Larry Robinson. Guess it wasn't successful!

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This is about players who left a situation that seemed perfect for them to go to another team primarily through free agency.

Bobby Holik-Seemed to be perfect for the NJ system. I dont know what the difference in money was but If it was close he should have stayed in NJ.
I would venture to say that this concern applies to all NYR acquisitions.

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It's Clarke's fault Lindros slept with Brind'amour's wife?
And the time that RUMOUR came out Brind'Amour's wife was already quite pregnant, so I seriously doubt that. Plus, if it really was true, it would be WAY more public, as Lindros was watched to death by the media looking for a big story.

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Pierre Turgeon has been a shoadow of his former self in Dallas.

Martin Lapointe should have stayed in Detroit and has been a HUGE bust.

Talk all you want about Holik, but Darius Kasparitis is all but invisible in New York at this point.

Alexei Yashin probably wishes he had stayed in Ottawa.

Valeri Bure would probably have to say he would rather have just stayed in the Western Conference.

I don't think you can blame a player in a trade, unless he was a holdout and demanded a trade he had very little to do with his move.

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The saddest/funniest part is, the offers weren't that different. I beleive NJ offered 40 million over 5 years while the Ranger$ offered 45 over 5 (I might be wrong).
I believe you are right...

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Exactly, at that time you had Jagr, Kovalev, Straka, Lang, Hrdina, Mario, Morozov on our roster, we would have made money cuz our team wouldn't be out of the playoffs, thats for sure.
So, you think Lemieux, Lang, Straka, and Kovalev would've remained at about $1 million each like they were in '01?

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