I don't remember any minor league goalies fetching NHL All Stars in trades. I don't remember any major league goalies doing it either but I assume it has happened. Is there a person alive who wouldn't trade Montoya for Richards?
For starters, how often do teams trade star pro goalies? Florida did it and they made a terrible deal because Auld stinks. I didn't understand that deal from day one. Teams hold onto star goalies. Second, how many teams have a elite goalie prospect and a young star goalie on the NHL level like the Rangers do? I can't even think of one. Teams almost never trade elite goalie prospects because they need them on their team at some point. In fact, the Rangers went thru something like this before with Richter and Beezer. It's rare and the Rangers seem to have a habit of getting into this situation.
Richards is a first line center. However, it doesn't matter what he or anybody else is as an NHL forward. You aren't winning squat without a legit NHL goalie and good defenseman. The goaltender is the most important player on the team. I think Tampa would trade Richards for Montoya in a second if they could in some kind of deal. You probably would have to add in players or picks on both sides. Tampa has been crying about their goaltending mostly all year and I don't care what anybody says, Holmqvist stinks and the Bolts aren't going to rely on that clown.
for some reason, goaltending prespects don't have much trade value. No matter how much potential they have. Goalies are too much of a crapshoot. you really never know how they will perform until they get there. Not saying montoya doesn't hold any trade value, just not as much as you might think. believe me, if there were a montoya for richards deal out there it is the rangers who would do it in a heartbeat. the lightning, I'm not so sure. What did the sharks get for kiprusoff a few years back? a second round pick? and that was after he had already played some in the nhl, which montoya has yet to do.
for some reason, goaltending prespects don't have much trade value. No matter how much potential they have. Goalies are too much of a crapshoot. you really never know how they will perform until they get there. Not saying montoya doesn't hold any trade value, just not as much as you might think. believe me, if there were a montoya for richards deal out there it is the rangers who would do it in a heartbeat. the lightning, I'm not so sure. What did the sharks get for kiprusoff a few years back? a second round pick? and that was after he had already played some in the nhl, which montoya has yet to do.
I think a big reson for it is that allot of teams seems to overrate their goalieprospects. Now Lundqvist panned out for us, but I think we did the right move with taking Montoya too, goaltending is so important, that having 2 strong prospects between the pipe is pretty smart.
Though you hear allot of teams putting a ton of faith in just about any young goalie in the system who is looking decent, therefor not looking for goalieprospects before its to late and they are forced to overpay for a medicore starter...
The reason for why goalieprospects aren't traded for and given a shot right away by teams with problem between the pipes is that a kid like Montoya will need a long breakin period before he is ready to turn starter. Lets say a team is have goalie problems, trading for someone like Montoya would not fix that, since the ideal situation for Alvaro will be to backup someone for a few seasons.
We need to get Montoya to a point were he is backing up Lundqvist in NY, and dooing well at that, before we can get maximum value for him.
Ola, no team is going to give up a premier goalie prospect for an older, injury prone, overpaid forward in Bertuzzi. There seems to always be this notion that the Rangers have to give up a ton for any player. Bertuzzi could be had quite easily for a package of involving some of the following players. Betts, Pock, Immonen, Lampman and Hollweg. Avery is 26 a nd would be a RFA. Not the same thing and we didn't give all that much for Avery IMO.
If you are talking giving up Montoya, you are talking players like Horton, Richards and Hemsky. Those type of players.
Florida will get a decent return for Bert come the deadline. There are only a handful of teams who won't afford him. I don't know if it will be Montreal or Anaheim, or Nashville or Toronto, Edmonton or Pittsburgh, but someone will offer a decent package for him.
Doug Weight and Mark Recchi won the cup for Carolina last season, gearing up for the PO's is really important.
I defenitly don't see Bertuzzi gooing for less then what we gave up for Avery.
Best case scenario is probably Pöck/Baranka, Hossa/Immonen and Dawes/Callahan, and I really doubt that...
Is Montoya hurt? I noticed that Hartford brought up a goalie from Charlotte and that Montoya did not dress last night? I get worried when I don't see him in the lineup and wonder whether it is because he is trade bait. Just asking...is they a connection to these rumors?
For starters, how often do teams trade star pro goalies? Florida did it and they made a terrible deal because Auld stinks. I didn't understand that deal from day one. Teams hold onto star goalies. Second, how many teams have a elite goalie prospect and a young star goalie on the NHL level like the Rangers do? I can't even think of one. Teams almost never trade elite goalie prospects because they need them on their team at some point. In fact, the Rangers went thru something like this before with Richter and Beezer. It's rare and the Rangers seem to have a habit of getting into this situation.
I'm not certain which teams have great prospect goalies but a quick perusal through other team boards reveal fans who certainly think they have potential great ones in their systems. Beezer is a great example of goalies just not fetching that much in trades.
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Originally Posted by donutboy
I think Tampa would trade Richards for Montoya in a second if they could in some kind of deal.
I cannot tell you how much I disagree with you that Tampa would do that and if they would could someone please make Sather make it happen. To not do that deal from our standpoint would be self-sabotage.
I'd go for it. If we are in PO push we need to get someone to center 2nd line. Bertuzzi was an awesome player before injury. Back surgery is not the career end. The possibility of re-injury of the back is much less than that for the limb. If team is stacking up NA players they should better be guys like Bert.
Is Montoya hurt? I noticed that Hartford brought up a goalie from Charlotte and that Montoya did not dress last night? I get worried when I don't see him in the lineup and wonder whether it is because he is trade bait. Just asking...is they a connection to these rumors?
He had a slight knee sprain last night
As for Bertuzzi...unless he came dirt cheap (and he should, after missing pretty much the entire year and being overpaid as much as he is) then what's the point? Again, he doesn't solve any of the big lineup problems.
I still think this was screwed up, no matter how sorry he is...
What? Moore injury? First off he didn't mean to hurt him as serious as it ended up. Second, I'd take the the guy who killed his wife or whoever as long as he is vable to help Rangers to win.
RDS is the french version of TSN who is the canadian sport channel. They are not always right but their main market is hockey (with a 700k to 1M viewers for a hockey game). At least 60% of their staff are dedicated towards hockey only.
They are not always right but a rumor is a rumor so most of the time they don't happen. But I think that you can trust RDS since a lot of french canadians are working in the NHL and this is where RDS get their insight (scouts, GM , ex players, lower administrator of a hockey team etc...).
It has nothing to do with them being French - I love the French, especially their women - but the RDS is notorious in Canada for being full of ****. TSN has done their best to separate themselves from RDS because of this, and rightly so if you ask me.
I remember one year when they had Modano officially signed with Philadelphia and Amonte officially signed with the Rangers.
Sorry, not reliable. They're somewhere down on Eklund's level if you ask me.
The biggest negative on Montoya has been since he came to the AHL, he's been a little brittle. I'm would suspect if Sather got any kind of real offer for Montoya he would have pulled the trigger already. However, I'm not ruling out Sather wanting to get another goalie he feels can fill in for Lundqvist for many years if he were to get hurt before he dealt Montoya. I thought they signed some Europe goalie who was supposed to be real talented. What happened to that?
What did the sharks get for kiprusoff a few years back? a second round pick? and that was after he had already played some in the nhl, which montoya has yet to do.
what you fail to mention here is that the sharks had 3 goalies at the time... kipper and toskala were splitting time a believe when nabokov was hurt. kipper was suppose to take the ball and run with it but he was awful.... absolutely terrible and toskala got more and more playing time which made kipper expendable when nabokov came back. and it was bc of his poor play that they only got a second rounder for him. at the time some people were saying the sharks ripped the flames off, but once he got to calgary he found his game and now it looks like a steal the other way.
regardless you have to put the deal in context to the time and circumstances it was made
