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02-08-2007, 10:26 PM
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Maybe we can have a couple of 1st round picks if Gainey is smart enough to trade Souray to a contender like the Preds, Sabres or others who have depth and want more D and could trade a 1st rounder. We are losing him to UFA anyway and would hate to hang on to him to miss the playoffs or barely make them and play only one round. I see him in LA or Phoenix next year to be close to his daughter like he wants and they have the cash too.

Is Gainey that smart, we will see because I think he has been asleep and unfocused since he returned and honestly I think he should have taken a leave of absence for the remainder of the year so he could grieve properly.

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02-08-2007, 10:28 PM
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What I don't understand:

random hater: "RYDER SUCKS! HE HAS NO GOOD QUALITIES. HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING! LET'S TRADE HIM FOR A TOP PROSPECT LIKE ZHERDEV!!!"

me: "If Ryder sucks so bad, why would anyone take him, much less for Zherdev?"

random hater: "BECAUSE RYDER IS A YOUNG PLAYER WITH POTENTIAL WHO CAN PUT THE PUCK IN THE NET"

me: "Then why trade him?"

random hater: "BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!"

me: "Then why would anyone take him?"

random hater: "BECAUSE RYDER IS A YOUNG PLAYER WITH POTENTIAL WHO CAN PUT THE PUCK IN THE NET"

And it just goes on and on, forever.

It's called a change of scenery, maybe working better in a different system, a more wide open style.

Teams that are more desperate that us.

If we use your logic, nobody would ever get traded.

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02-08-2007, 10:28 PM
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Been trying to tell people that for about a year and a half now. They don't see it, they are blinded by Koivu's and Kovalev's great inability to be consistant players themselves at their outrageous salaries.
While I'd take Koivu any day over Kovalev, the fact remains that Koivu's best days are done.

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it's vignault fault!
it's therrien fault!
it's julien fault!
it's carbo fault!

ribeiro is a locker room cancer!
dagenais is a locker room cancer!
theodore is a locker room cancer!

It's the same problems every years and I think we should point to some players that have been here for all these years.

Well all those coaches were rookies with what team again.....So now that they've made all their mistakes with us and learned from it, they succeed elsewhere.....we're the farm team of coaches, youppi........

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02-08-2007, 10:28 PM
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I'm going to venture a guess that this is a waste of time if you truly believe the same problems of yesteryear are the problems the organization's facing today.
How different is this year's team from the 2003-04 additon?

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02-08-2007, 10:29 PM
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think would Forsberg want to be traded to a team that won't make the playoffs?
We are still in the playoff but Gainey has to be fast because we are falling very fast. With Forsberg on the team, i have no doubt we will find a spot for the playoff but with the current team, i highly doubt it.

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02-08-2007, 10:29 PM
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Ryder is absolutely useless!!! How is it that he even gets PP time? He can't score or even get any decent scoring chances for that matter. He is unoriginal and he always loses the puck. If anybody should be out, it's him. Bring up Grabovsky and Kostitsyn and lets have them play together on a line with Samsonov (or whoever) until the others earn their jobs back.

Here's another thing. Carbonneau should bench anybody who gets a stupid penalty from now on because these guys just don't seem to get it. Our PK sucks and these penalties are utterly useless. These guys are a disgrace to the Habs storied franchise.

Anybody who plays like **** should be automatically replaced by a Hamilton call-up to get the point across. At least those guys would play their hearts out if given a chance to play in the big league.

No he is not useless. Everyone this summer was stating he was a 40 goals scorer. Were are they now by the way?

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It's called a change of scenery, maybe working better in a different system, a more wide open style.

Teams that are more desperate that us.

If we use your logic, nobody would ever get traded.
Guys who are traded for "a change in scenery" go for draft picks. Not top prospects.

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yea we can forget forsberg coming here... not gunna happen

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No he is not useless. Everyone this summer was stating he was a 40 goals scorer. Were are they now by the way?
Still here?

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Hes never played this bad in his NHL career, and he can still yield a decent return back. That why I think now is the ample time to trade him.
Let me ask you this: Ryder is a goal scorer, correct? And Montreal needs goal scoring right now, do they not? And we agree that Ryder is struggling right now. So if Montreal, a team known across the league as needing goal-scorers is looking to deal a goal scorer, do you think that raises or lowers Ryder's trade value?

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02-08-2007, 10:31 PM
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That's the point

If he drops down enough so that we can grab him we should do it without any hesitation.I don't know at which position we're going to draft but it will most likely be after 10 and Esposito is probably going to be the BPA after that.

Now i don't think that such a scenario is likely but we never know.
and why the hell do we want him...another french canadien is he!? i mean thats the only readon lats is there... he should not be playin on the second line ..

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it's vignault fault!
it's therrien fault!
it's julien fault!
it's carbo fault!

ribeiro is a locker room cancer!
dagenais is a locker room cancer!
theodore is a locker room cancer!

It's the same problems every years and I think we should point to some players that have been here for all these years.
Vigneault, Therrien, Julien, Carbonneau... might be time to end that trend...

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If we use your logic, nobody would ever get traded.
Or perhaps, using waffledave's logic, players are dealt on the basis of fulfilling needs. And if Ryder, a goal scorer, is not needed on a team desperate for goal scoring like Montreal, then chances are he's not going to be wanted on very many teams. At the very least, he would be devalued on the market in these circumstances.

It's just not intelligent management.

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02-08-2007, 10:32 PM
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Hes never played this bad in his NHL career, and he can still yield a decent return back. That why I think now is the ample time to trade him.
Yet he has out pointed his linemates in Koivu and Higgins over the last few games and he is the problem?

Fans like you need to take off their rose coloured glasses and see the real problem, under achievers and over paid players like Koivu, Kovalev, Heut and others....it is not all Ryder, and we cannot bench or trade the whole team and you know what Ryder would be one of the 1st players traded because he is the only player out there that could fetch a good return and a player that other teams out there are looking for!!!

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How different is this year's team from the 2003-04 additon?
Very different.

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02-08-2007, 10:32 PM
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I thought Ryder played his game reasonably well tonight.

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How different is this year's team from the 2003-04 additon?
The stripclubs are now struggling financially around the Bell Centre. Theo-Ribs-Dagenais are gone .

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02-08-2007, 10:33 PM
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I'm going to venture a guess that this is a waste of time if you truly believe the same problems of yesteryear are the problems the organization's facing today.
with all due respect...

this team is not better then the team who got beat by the hurricanes in 2002-2003 ( the year gilmour was there)

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02-08-2007, 10:33 PM
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I have a dream......that one day, maybe one day, people will stop looking at our record to analyse our performance and actually watch the games to know how good we really are.

Even in our great winning record at the beginning of the year, most of those wins, we were totally outmatched or plain lucky.

We were never that great of a team.

We're an average team but I still LOOOOOOOOVE MY HABS!!!!!!!

You are dead on, we just played over our heads. The re-building is still going on, the only problem is that we really don't have any elite forwards, or dmen in the system.

Price is our only elite player .

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Very different.
Results = the same
Future outlook = the same.

Don't bother writing an essay with your opinion. You believe what you wan't and I'll believe what I want.

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Let's face it our team is bad. The offense is bad, the D is worse. I hate Ryder as much as anyone, but do we have any other options?

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Will you never learn??????

Are you guys stupid at this point????

Vigneault

Therrien

Julien

and now Carbo???? No way!!!

You were the same asking for the head of the 3 named above...

When will you realize that the problem isnt behind the bench but the players not doing the job.. Especially the vets of this team, their job is supposed to push the kids to perform better but Koivu has no more fuel left in the tank, he cant even compete himself at the moment.. Kovalev well, he didnt show up at all in the first half of the season, played better lately but dont rely on this guy to inspire and push the kids at another level, he is simply not a good leader... Samsonov is a huge flop, he is crying instead look at himself in the mirror..

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02-08-2007, 10:35 PM
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A little venting game, want to join in?

I feel like venting so to express my frustration in a creative way, I've decided to give new nicknames to the entire Habs roster. Good, bad or terrible; they're all gonna feel the wrath and if you want, you can add your own.

Souray-Sheldon "The Bionic-Wristed Blunderer" Souray

Koivu-Saku "Wintertime Hibernation" Koivu (for how he disappears in January-February almost all the time) or Saku "Finer China" Koivu

Ryder-Michael "Mr. Neutralized Easy" Ryder

Kovalev-Alex "Wake me up in April/contract year" Kovalev

Higgins-Chris "The Moody Ghost" Higgins

Plekanec-Tomas "Only on Breakaways" Plekanec

Latendresse-Guillame "Passes by like Molasses" Latendresse

Samsonov-Sergei "360 Special" Samsonov (for how he skates in the offensive zone in a complete circle without ever getting to the net)

Perezhogin-Alexander Perezhooking or Alexander Perezholding

Rivet-Craig "Pylon no. 52" Rivet or Craig "Why did they scratch me?" Rivet

Niinimma-Janne "Bad enough to be traded for Ribs" Niinimma

Bonk-Radek "The Pulseless Wonder" Bonk

Johnson-Mike "Scores on his @ss" Johnson

Streit-Mark "I likes to play Forward" Streit

Murray-Garth "The GREAT!" Murray or Garth "Zeroes all around" Murray

Downey-Aaron "Potato Pugilist" Downey or Aaron "How do i stay in the lineup?" Downey

Lapierre-Maxim "Crosby Killer" Lapierre

Markov-Andrei "Where's my contract?" Markov

Boullion-Francis "The Mistake-riddled Midget" Boullion

Dandeneault-Mathieu "Experience=Big Money" Dandeneault

Komisarek-Mike "Help I'm paired with idiots back here" Komisarek

Begin-Steve "Medical Ward" Begin

Huet-Cristofreefall Huet or Cristobal "Hate My Defense" Huet

Aebischer-David "The Swiss Fish out of Water" Aebischer

Carbo-Guy "Someone Kill Me" Carbonneau.

Gainey-Bob "Will trade Sammy for Food" Gainey

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To me Carbo hasn't changed much since he left the club during his playing das. His passion overcomes his ability to make rational and calculated decisions. That may work as a player but not as a coach.
Wow. I guess we saw things a lot differently 20 years ago too. At least we're consistent over the long haul in our disagreement.

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