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02-18-2007, 02:37 AM
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If Shanny is out for the season...

To NYR - Guerin & Brewer
To Blues - 1st, Pock & Dubinsky.

To NYR - Horton
To Fl - Montoya & 2nd & low end prospect.


Hossa - Horton - Jagr
Straka - Nylander - Prucha
Avery - Cullen - Guerin
Dupuis - Betts - Ortmeyer

Out - Orr, Hollweg

Brewer, Tyutin, Giradi, Rozsvial, Malik, Ward, Rachunek

Hanks, Weeks

IF When Shanny comes back ...

Hossa - Horton - Jagr
Avery - Nylander - Shanahan
Prucha - Straka - Guerin
Dupuis - Cullen - Ortmeyer

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02-18-2007, 03:02 AM
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If Shanny is out for the season...

To NYR - Guerin & Brewer
To Blues - 1st, Pock & Dubinsky.

To NYR - Horton
To Fl - Montoya & 2nd & low end prospect.


Hossa - Horton - Jagr
Straka - Nylander - Prucha
Avery - Cullen - Guerin
Dupuis - Betts - Ortmeyer

Out - Orr, Hollweg

Brewer, Tyutin, Giradi, Rozsvial, Malik, Ward, Rachunek

Hanks, Weeks

IF When Shanny comes back ...

Hossa - Horton - Jagr
Avery - Nylander - Shanahan
Prucha - Straka - Guerin
Dupuis - Cullen - Ortmeyer

I agree that these trades would bring somrthing to the table - at least in the short 5 year term. Losing Dubinsky is not really that clever though. And yesterdays little debacle shows the vulnerability in goal anf HL:s real importance to this team. With Weekes out indefinitely - a backup is imperative. But the trades (as propsed) are impossible imo as the other teams would not make these deals. After contemplation - I say yes. But (unfortunately) not viable

And where do you put Brad Ibister and Jason Krog on the roster???

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02-18-2007, 09:02 AM
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We've got to get tougher on the back end. That being said how about

NYR get Jovocop

Yotes get Pock, and a 3rd

Adding a ton of salary and I know that Jovo has got atleast another 3 years left on that ridiculous contract. However, Jovo would be the most physical d-men we've had since Buek and after yesterdays game it just shows how much we need more snarl on the blueline.

Also, would like to add some size up front.

NYR get A. Stewart

Panthers get Nigel Dawes

Stewarts a prospect who hasn't panned out as hoped in Fla. However, he's got great size and can skate. I really don't see Dawes playing on this team, not with Prucha and some of the other softer guys we've got out there. Potential wise its pretty fair with Stewart having a little more potential and Dawes having accomplished more to date. Kinda of roll of the dice.

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02-18-2007, 12:08 PM
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How about Betts & Rachunek for Shawn Horcoff & a pick (3rd or 4th)? Would certainly add for scoring to the lower lines and more grit.

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02-18-2007, 06:05 PM
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too bad we didnt try to get vishnevski, who was traded to nashville for belanger. hes a solid guy who can throw the body

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02-18-2007, 07:03 PM
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Edmonton has some pretty good forwards, definitely would be interested in what they might have to offer. Marc-Andre Bergeron would have been a great defenseman to add.

And just in response to the proposal of Betts and Rachunek for Horcroff and picks:

You cant trade Rachunek in that deal if you dont have a defenseman to replace him. Even though I guess you could replace him with Pock.

Really I dont know what the Rangers should really do right now. Personally I think they should get Joe Sakic or Bill Guerin. Getting a north american is the way to go IMO because those are the guys that can grind out and make the difference in games that could go either way. I really want Sakic but the one thing that scares me is if they get him what would the lines look like. You certainly dont want to break up that first line because of the chemistry of between Hossa and Jagr. And so what happens to Nylander? Do you move him to 3rd line center between cullen and dupuis? But then again Nylander would slow that line up. Or do you move Nylander to wing on the 2nd line and have avery moved to the 3rd line and ortmeyer to the 4th line. You dont wanna totally throw off what this team has right now.

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02-18-2007, 07:10 PM
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Why would you be breaking off the chemistry between Hossa and Jagr with a center as an addition? Hossa centers the line sometimes, but he is a LW. The lines would probably look like this:
Hossa-Sakic-Jagr
Straka-Nylander-Avery
Dupuis-Cullen-Ortmeyer
Hollweg-Betts-Prucha

It wouldn't hurt the team in any way because Prucha used to be a 4th liner with Hollweg and Betts, the only change would be Straka and Nylander with a new player, and the chemistry of Sakic with Jagr and Hossa.
Pock would take Rachunek's spot, and while Malik is out, Lampman will fill in there.

I definitley would hate to see the Rangers make anymore trades after the success of the Avery trade, and Dupuis' presence for the most part.

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02-19-2007, 10:04 AM
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Not a proposal but I didn't want to start a new thread for this. According to Eklund, the Rangers are interested in the Blue Jackets winger Anson Carter (I know it's Eklund but he's right from time to time). No word on who or what is going the other way.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=5613

(It is it's own little paragraph a decent ways down the page)

Thoughts?

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02-19-2007, 10:19 AM
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THoughts are that it shouldnt happen. Seen enough of Carter.

Think the Rangers should go to war with what they have. Even with the Shanny injury there is a nice balance where nobody in the top 3 lines really warrants being moved down.


Go to war with what they have and if it isnt enough and they cant make the playoffs then start selling.

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02-19-2007, 10:21 AM
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Not a proposal but I didn't want to start a new thread for this. According to Eklund, the Rangers are interested in the Blue Jackets winger Anson Carter (I know it's Eklund but he's right from time to time). No word on who or what is going the other way.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=5613

(It is it's own little paragraph a decent ways down the page)

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02-19-2007, 11:13 AM
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why not, it worked so well last time!

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02-19-2007, 03:07 PM
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why not, it worked so well last time!
lol maybe we can swing carter in a deal for another superstar and have the other team pick up 1/2 of that players salary haha

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02-19-2007, 04:02 PM
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How about Betts & Rachunek for Shawn Horcoff & a pick (3rd or 4th)? Would certainly add for scoring to the lower lines and more grit.
hmm id do it but id love to have matt greene as well.

how about Betts, Rachunek, Immonen and M.Richter for Horcoff and Greene

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02-19-2007, 04:05 PM
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hmm id do it but id love to have matt greene as well.

how about Betts, Rachunek, Immonen and M.Richter for Horcoff and Greene
Hardly think the Oilers would want Mike Richter. Or Martin Richter for that matter (not a whole lot of demand for 30 defensemen who have never played in NHL game in their careers. Immonen doesn't have a whole lot of value either.

Sounds like a pretty awful return for the Oilers.

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02-19-2007, 05:29 PM
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Pock would take Rachunek's spot, and while Malik is out, Lampman will fill in there.
Lampman took a stick to the face in the Wolfpack game Friday night, it was pretty ugly. He hasn't played since and they haven't said anything, so I doubt we'll be seeing him heading to NY in the near future, even if we deal a defenseman. Also, a quick fix to get grittier on the backline is calling up Liffiton. I know he didn't play great in his one game against the Isles last year, but he hits hard and (at least in the AHL) doesn't take himself out of position to deliver the hit. He also does a great job sticking up for his teammates, something this team doesn't do outside of a select few.

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If Shanny is out for the season...

To NYR - Guerin & Brewer
To Blues - 1st, Pock & Dubinsky.

To NYR - Horton
To Fl - Montoya & 2nd & low end prospect.


Hossa - Horton - Jagr
Straka - Nylander - Prucha
Avery - Cullen - Guerin
Dupuis - Betts - Ortmeyer

Out - Orr, Hollweg

Brewer, Tyutin, Giradi, Rozsvial, Malik, Ward, Rachunek

Hanks, Weeks

IF When Shanny comes back ...

Hossa - Horton - Jagr
Avery - Nylander - Shanahan
Prucha - Straka - Guerin
Dupuis - Cullen - Ortmeyer


Thats brutal for the rangers, Guerin is old, Brewer is good, but that package that the blues get is way to much for those two.
We can't trade any 1st round picks, and giving up Dubinsky hurts.

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02-19-2007, 05:42 PM
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If Shanny is out for the season...

To NYR - Guerin & Brewer
To Blues - 1st, Pock & Dubinsky.


To NYR - Horton
To Fl - Montoya & 2nd & low end prospect.
Deal 1: That's a lot to give up for two UFAs to be.

Deal 2: No way is Florida going to deal Horton and not get an NHL player back in return.

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Not a proposal but I didn't want to start a new thread for this. According to Eklund, the Rangers are interested in the Blue Jackets winger Anson Carter (I know it's Eklund but he's right from time to time). No word on who or what is going the other way.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=5613

(It is it's own little paragraph a decent ways down the page)

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no way we end up with carter, he was a disaster here, the only way we trade for him is to move him to another contender in aprt of a 3 way trade

I honestly didn't think the rangers were going to make another trade until these injuries started to occur and how sluggish we've looked in the past two games, plus some more scoring will help

i think sather may go after boyes/mara combination or if he is looking for a veteran presence there is always mike york or the always rumoured guerin/tkachuk

we will have to see what he does if anything but i doubt carter is comin back, ever

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02-19-2007, 07:59 PM
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no way we end up with carter, he was a disaster here, the only way we trade for him is to move him to another contender in aprt of a 3 way trade

I honestly didn't think the rangers were going to make another trade until these injuries started to occur and how sluggish we've looked in the past two games, plus some more scoring will help

i think sather may go after boyes/mara combination or if he is looking for a veteran presence there is always mike york or the always rumoured guerin/tkachuk

we will have to see what he does if anything but i doubt carter is comin back, ever
Boyes/Mara combination is of interest. I wonder what most fans here would think is a reasonable exchange.

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hey AHall, you can't just throw in a player because you like him. it has to make sense for the other team..that being said, it doesn't make sense for them to trade a good young d man.

you understand? or are you sure it would work because nhl 2007 accepted it?

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Boyes/Mara combination is of interest. I wonder what most fans here would think is a reasonable exchange.
i am really not sure but i believe a rachunek/prucha combination would be a very fair deal, not one id defintely make but they are in the same ballpark.

personally i would offer rachunek, immonen, and mid level pick, getting boyes a 24 yr old who could be the 2nd line center with shanny and avery works for me and makes immo expendable

i would assume the B's would want baranka and prucha

we will see

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What about Sheldon Souray? Think it would cost alot to get him here. Would love to have him on the the PP

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What about Sheldon Souray? Think it would cost alot to get him here. Would love to have him on the the PP
As you said already, too much costs for us. Souray won't be traded period, mainly because he is the biggest threat the Canadiens have on their PP.

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To NYR: Olli Jokinen

To Panthers: Al Montoya Petr Prucha

You think this would ever work???

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To Panthers: Al Montoya Petr Prucha

You think this would ever work???
Nope. For Horton maybe, but not for Jokinen I don't think.

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