What a disaster it would have been to keep him around and make him our next GM. His moves are questionable at best as GM of the Bruins and the fact we got a pick for him is amazing.
The Bochenski deal has potential for his team but that is it.
Jurcina says going to the Caps for a 4th rd pick has played on average of 22 quality minutes a night. Dropped the ball there.
Then he makes this deal Kobasew, A. Ference for B. Stuart, Primeau, pick.
Stuart should have had way more value as puck moving defensemen are in high demand.
I think we dodged a bullet by allowing him to leave, just thinking about how he would ruin this franchise makes me cringe.
What a disaster it would have been to keep him around and make him our next GM. His moves are questionable at best as GM of the Bruins and the fact we got a pick for him is amazing.
The Bochenski deal has potential for his team but that is it.
Jurcina says going to the Caps for a 4th rd pick has played on average of 22 quality minutes a night. Dropped the ball there.
Then he makes this deal Kobasew, A. Ference for B. Stuart, Primeau, pick.
Stuart should have had way more value as puck moving defensemen are in high demand.
I think we dodged a bullet by allowing him to leave, just thinking about how he would ruin this franchise makes me cringe.
Stuart is a UFA to be I like that deal. Andrew Ference is an underated player and Kobasew is no slouch either.
Chara was signed before Chiarelli started with the Bruins.
I'm pretty sure he was able to have a meeting with his interim GM to discuss the 'general direction of the team for the free agent period'. Which most likely involved him asking for a 'Norris caliber, physical, imposing dman.' Although he wasn't able to actually sign the documents that doesn't mean he let people be signed contrary to his wishes.
I would like to say I think that the people who are bad mouthing Chiarelli after this trade have not looked into all the business part of this. By trading Stuart and Primeau (both UFA's and part of the thornton trade) he saves cap money, and gets two players with contracts for a long time, or RFA status in 2 years. And therefore gets at least a little something for the Thornton trade instead of losing everyone to UFA after 1 and a half seasons.
Kobasew is signed to 1.2 next year and is RFA after that. The sweet part of the deal is Ference. He is signed for the next three years with a 1.4 cap hit. He is a fairly solid dman in my opinion. Stats: GP 386 G 21 A 78 P 99, pretty much a point every 4 games for that kind of money is good I think. However, his plus/minus has been hurt from playing on bad Pens teams. IF Calgary can't sign either of these guys they get nothing! (unless they win the cup ... and also depends on what round the draft pick ends up being.)
I would like to say I think that the people who are bad mouthing Chiarelli after this trade have not looked into all the business part of this.
If the rumors are true that the pick going to Calgary in the deal is a conditional 1st if Stuart signs elsewhere in the summer and that Stuart wants to go back to California... then the deal doesn't look very good for Boston.
If the rumors are true that the pick going to Calgary in the deal is a conditional 1st if Stuart signs elsewhere in the summer and that Stuart wants to go back to California... then the deal doesn't look very good for Boston.
No way it's a#1 from Boston. Kobasew and Ference aren't worth a #1 on their own, let alone one that comes with Stuart and Primeau. Probably a mid round pick.
No way it's a#1 from Boston. Kobasew and Ference aren't worth a #1 on their own, let alone one that comes with Stuart and Primeau. Probably a mid round pick.
I mean it's from the "E" but he was the only one reporting Calgary was close to landing Stuart, so you never know. Rumor was it is a 1st if they don't sign him and a mid pick if they do.
[QUOTE=Fuhr86;8006127]What a disaster it would have been to keep him around and make him our next GM. His moves are questionable at best as GM of the Bruins and the fact we got a pick for him is amazing.[QUOTE]
It's too early too tell how Chiarelli is going to do. He still hasn't made Boston "his team" yet. If Kobasew and Ferrence fit into a broader picture and it works - then it's a great deal.
As usual this deal just shows how much people on hockey boards expect too much for a player in a trade.
I'm not a huge fan of Kobasew or Ferrence, so I'll say Flames win.
Again, it depends what Chiarelli puts together as a team next season. If these guys fit into a winning team - you can't really critique it too much.
Stuart perhaps the most sought after defenseman at the deadline is moved right now for a good number four stay at home defenseman and a scoring winger who has 4 goals in 40 games this season and is injured for the next four weeks.
I thought he would have way more value, how many defensemen of his caliber are available right now?
Then he gives away a defenseman who is logging huge minutes for the Caps just for a 4th rd pick and his comment was "in fairness to Jurcina he has not been given an opportunity." You don't want your GM saying that.
And yes Corvo has been awesome for us, everyone always looks at a defensive gaffe here and there but when the guy has confidence he is a treat to watch, perhaps the best player on the team at carrying the puck out of the zone. 2.5 million dollars for 40+ points. I'll take it.
And yes Corvo has been awesome for us, everyone always looks at a defensive gaffe here and there but when the guy has confidence he is a treat to watch, perhaps the best player on the team at carrying the puck out of the zone. 2.5 million dollars for 40+ points. I'll take it.
I agree, Corvo has looked good all year. How many teams have a dman that can carry the puck as well as he can? We have NEVER had one who could do it reliably which is why Alfie used to play the point on the PP as the PPQB. Also his cap hit is the average for his contract. Had he only signed a 1 year deal I'm sure he would have received less; however over the next 3 years he will continue to get better and be worth well more than 2.6M.
I agree, Corvo has looked good all year. How many teams have a dman that can carry the puck as well as he can? We have NEVER had one who could do it reliably which is why Alfie used to play the point on the PP as the PPQB. Also his cap hit is the average for his contract. Had he only signed a 1 year deal I'm sure he would have received less; however over the next 3 years he will continue to get better and be worth well more than 2.6M.
I like Corvo...but anytime he goes east-west he gets himself into trouble
I have been pretty happy with Corvo of late. He's carrying the puck and has been okay in his own zone. That's really what I expect of him. Why he isn't 1st PP I'll never know, but I agree with Fuhr. If we followed his ice time recommendation and gave him more PP, ES and no SH I think he'd be good-great.
Don't forget Brian Pothier got 2.5. That's what Dmen cost.
He has 23 points and is on pace for 36. I thought that he was supposed to get 55+ when surrounded with all of Ottawa's talent?
The guy gets 4 minutes a game on the PP and only 1 minute SH. He's being used in an offensive role, he just isn't performing to expectations.
Corvo has been a fairly large disappointment. Since you had higher hopes than anyone, I find it strange that you could be pleased with his mediocre play.
Corvo has been a fairly large disappointment. Since you had higher hopes than anyone, I find it strange that you could be pleased with his mediocre play.
Not really, his ice time has been cut back as everyone has became healthy. I would like to see him play 12ES minutes a game and 7PP minutes a game. He plays on the 2nd PP unit right now and they are not going infact the first unit pretty much sucks too. I like his game a bunch and feel he will break out in a Sens jersey. 50 points is not out of the question next season or the year after, when he plays with confidence he is a treat to watch. He was awesome at the beginning of the season and over the last 8-10 games he has picked it up again. The going rate is 2.5 million dollars for a defenseman with his skill set, look at what Pothier is making.
Not really, his ice time has been cut back as everyone has became healthy. I would like to see him play 12ES minutes a game and 7PP minutes a game. He plays on the 2nd PP unit right now and they are not going infact the first unit pretty much sucks too. I like his game a bunch and feel he will break out in a Sens jersey.
And yet, in spite of everything he remains 4th on the team in ppg among defencemen, and his ice time in the past ten games has been cut to an average of just over 14min/gp, and he has 2pts in that span. It's pretty clear that you like his abilities, but trying to claim that he's been "awesome" just isn't consistent with the on-ice product, or with how the team is utilizing him based on his play. And given the improvement that I've seen in Preissing's play - especially defensively - I still have a feeling that there will be a new contract in his future, which could well make Corvo expendable.
As for the Stuart trade, as I posted in the Trade Board, I think this deal is better for Boston than many people are giving it credit for. Boston is trying to make the playoffs next year, not acquire picks in order to try to rebuild in 3 years. Ference has the ability to play a top-4 role for them including PP time, and Kobasew could well flourish in a new setting with a different team philosophy. Factor in the inexpensive contracts, the relative youth, Stuart's pretty awful results so far this year, and the fact that Stuart wasn't going to re-sign, and I actually think Chiarelli did alright in that deal.
people need to be realistic and understand that not every player is going to have every quality. he's mobile, he's aggressive. some of you crapped all over chara for not having those qualities.
Not really, his ice time has been cut back as everyone has became healthy. I would like to see him play 12ES minutes a game and 7PP minutes a game. He plays on the 2nd PP unit right now and they are not going infact the first unit pretty much sucks too. I like his game a bunch and feel he will break out in a Sens jersey. 50 points is not out of the question next season or the year after, when he plays with confidence he is a treat to watch. He was awesome at the beginning of the season and over the last 8-10 games he has picked it up again. The going rate is 2.5 million dollars for a defenseman with his skill set, look at what Pothier is making.
I don't understand why you make this claim that he was awesome at the beginning of the year. He was pretty good, but it was such a small set of games to sample from that I think you are completely off base on your assessment of his true play. He has picked up his game recently for sure, but the gap inbetween was too long and too inconsistent to say that that was a slump and he is performing to his ability now.
Although his play has improved, I don't see enough improvement where he should be playing above anyone in the top 6. Plus, he does not make our PP better at all, first or second unit. Most of his assists are token 2nd assists. I can't really think of many plays recently outside of the Comrie breakaway goal where he has made such great passes to impact a game.
... and also depends on what round the draft pick ends up being.)
