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02-11-2007, 01:33 PM
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I have no confidence that Chia will able to get good value for Murray if he's foolish enough to deal him.

Murray is a relative lock for the next 2-3 years to score 25-40 goals per season.

Just like this BStuart fiasco, b/c few, if any teams in the league will trade a real skill player with bona fide upside for Glen, we're likely to get screwed in a deal.

Trade Murray now, and the odds are that we'll live to regret it.

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02-11-2007, 01:36 PM
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I have no confidence that Chia will able to get good value for Murray if he's foolish enough to deal him.

Murray is a relative lock for the next 2-3 years to score 25-40 goals per season.

Just like this BStuart fiasco, b/c few, if any teams in the league will trade a real skill player with bona fide upside for Glen, we're likely to get screwed in a deal.

Trade Murray now, and the odds are that we'll live to regret it.

I disagree. Kobasew has LEGIT upside, and Ference is a ton better than we're thinking.

I am confident that Chia can net us a good deal for Murray.

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02-11-2007, 01:39 PM
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You're right. Let's just do nothing and hope the hockey fairy magically makes everything okay.

what about trading guy who can't score in a soccer net.

Is it a Bruins fan thing about looking as their best scorer as trade asset ?

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02-11-2007, 01:42 PM
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Kobasew has LEGIT upside...
That's a distinctly minority view by most observers at this point.

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02-11-2007, 01:46 PM
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Is it a Bruins fan thing about looking as their best scorer as trade asset ?
The Bruins are rebuilding, now on record as going with youth and guys who can skate and play aggressively. They have Boyes (C), Kessel, Bochenski, Kobasew, and Karsums (shoots right) to fill the top 3 RW slots in the next year.

Murray will be 35 in November. He's signed for 07-08 and 08-09. He is a goal scoring machine and a liability in all other aspects of the game. He's as good as gone. When they do trade him, people are correct: it'll be part salary-dump. One that is necessary to re-shape this team into something that is both successful and entertaining.

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02-11-2007, 01:49 PM
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That's a distinctly minority view by most observers at this point.
I guarantee you that the B's would not have been able to come even close to acquiring Kobasew for a pending UFA just 12 months ago.

I think the change of scenery will do him well, and that we have a big long term steal here.

Kobasew will become a STAPLE here.

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02-11-2007, 01:52 PM
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The Bruins are rebuilding, now on record as going with youth and guys who can skate and play aggressively. They have Boyes (C), Kessel, Bochenski, Kobasew, and Karsums (shoots right) to fill the top 3 RW slots in the next year.

Murray will be 35 in November. He's signed for 07-08 and 08-09. He is a goal scoring machine and a liability in all other aspects of the game. He's as good as gone. When they do trade him, people are correct: it'll be part salary-dump. One that is necessary to re-shape this team into something that is both successful and entertaining.

But if you read post on this board it look like Bochenski or Kobasew can replace Murray ? do you think this team would be more successful and entertainingwith this scenario ?

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I guarantee you that the B's would not have been able to come even close to acquiring Kobasew for a pending UFA just 12 months ago.

I think the change of scenery will do him well, and that we have a big long term steal here.

Kobasew will become a STAPLE here.
All right, bro, you're on record now.

I hope to he!! you're right. The law of averages would dictate that at least o-n-e of our gambles will pay off someday, right?

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02-11-2007, 01:57 PM
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That's a distinctly minority view by most observers at this point.
that's because most observers are negative about everything, even without actually seeing a guy play.

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02-11-2007, 02:02 PM
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that's because most observers are negative about everything, even without actually seeing a guy play.
I saw Kobasew at very least 20 times and from those game he's very average.

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But if you read post on this board it look like Bochenski or Kobasew can replace Murray ? do you think this team would be more successful and entertainingwith this scenario ?
More entertaining? Yeah. Successful? Maybe not right away, but ultimately yes. There are multiple reasons to deal Murray:

1) Finding out what these kids can do.
2) Spreading the scoring (and payroll) out more evenly (this is the so-called Buffalo model & the salary dump aspect of this deal)
3) He's 35 and getting worse. He'll always have his shot, at least until he can't stand on skates, but his skating deteriorates more every year and that hurts his all around game (what's left of it).

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More entertaining? Yeah. Successful? Maybe not right away, but ultimately yes. There are multiple reasons to deal Murray:

1) Finding out what these kids can do.
2) Spreading the scoring (and payroll) out more evenly (this is the so-called Buffalo model & the salary dump aspect of this deal)
3) He's 35 and getting worse. He'll always have his shot, at least until he can't stand on skates, but his skating deteriorates more every year and that hurts his all around game (what's left of it).

I disagree, IMO Murray really don't hurt the Bruins with is defensive game. His skating is about the same . His shot is his main weapon for sure, but is it a bad thing ?

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02-11-2007, 02:10 PM
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we are almost punchless without Murray but we need to think long term.

Sell Mortimere sell. (from trading spaces...eddie murphy)

Turn these machines back on. I demand you to turn these machines back on. Why isn't anybody doing anything.

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I saw Kobasew at very least 20 times and from those game he's very average.
i expected that response from you. i'll go with what i've seen though, thanks.

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i expected that response from you. i'll go with what i've seen though, thanks.
Yeah , you're an hockey encyclopedia



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I have no confidence that Chia will able to get good value for Murray if he's foolish enough to deal him.

Murray is a relative lock for the next 2-3 years to score 25-40 goals per season.

Just like this BStuart fiasco, b/c few, if any teams in the league will trade a real skill player with bona fide upside for Glen, we're likely to get screwed in a deal.

Trade Murray now, and the odds are that we'll live to regret it.
Unless he steps on a puck again.

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I saw Kobasew at very least 20 times and from those game he's very average.
You have watched half of the games he has played in this year or just 20 out of the 200+ he has played in his career?

Dissect his game then if you would.

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Yeah , you're an hockey encyclopedia


now i remember why i had you on ignore for months. keep whining about everything that happens

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You have watched half of the games he has played in this year or just 20 out of the 200+ he has played in his career?

Dissect his game then if you would.
this should be good...

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Trade Murray now, and the odds are that we'll live to regret it.
Well we will always have the tapes of his playoff heroics to look back on after he is traded. Oh the glory...

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*snickering* here.

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*snickering* here.
Murray for Nabokov? Sure I'd do it now...but San Jose and some guy named Evgeny wouldn't.

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Murray for Nabokov? Sure I'd do it now...but San Jose and some guy named Evgeny wouldn't.
What are you talking about COC.. I was snickering at the Bruinster/Nugs dialogue.

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Murray for Nabokov? Sure I'd do it now...but San Jose and some guy named Evgeny wouldn't.
WHat happened to the Tim Thomas love affair? I believe you dissed the notion of a Muzz/Nabby trade no less than a month ago.

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WHat happened to the Tim Thomas love affair? I believe you dissed the notion of a Muzz/Nabby trade no less than a month ago.
I didn't diss the notion, I just never thought it could possibly happen. If Chiarelli could or did pull off this trade, I'd be sad to see Murray go, but happy to have a new goalie.

The 'love affair' for Thomas died much like the notion that Stuart was the best defenseman in Boston since Ray Bourque.

I still love Timmy alot and will always hope for him to play well, but he's clearly in over his head and needs some assistance which won't be coming from Hannu Toivonen any time soon.

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