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02-11-2007, 12:31 PM
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Proposal (EDITED): Raffi Torres to Buffalo for Dmitri Kalinin

After the news that Paul Gaustad will miss the remainder of the season, a character player like Torres who brings hitting and toughness to the lineup along with good speed and scoring touch has become a pressing need. Not to mention he's a friend of mine from Markham, ON.

TO EDM:

Michael Funk, 2nd round pick in 2007, 3rd round pick in 2008

TO BUFF:

Raffi Torres

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02-11-2007, 12:33 PM
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After the news that Paul Gaustad will miss the remainder of the season, a character player like Torres who brings hitting and toughness to the lineup along with good speed and scoring touch has become a pressing need. Not to mention he's a friend of mine from Markham, ON.

TO EDM:

Michael Funk, 2nd round pick in 2007, 3rd round pick in 2008

TO BUFF:

Raffi Torres
Things may be going towards looking to next year but we are not in full rebuild mode where we plan to have a solid team 5 years from now. They would not have signed a vet like Roli to a big contract and given 4 year extensions to older vets like Staios, Moreau etc...

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02-11-2007, 12:33 PM
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After the news that Paul Gaustad will miss the remainder of the season, a character player like Torres who brings hitting and toughness to the lineup along with good speed and scoring touch has become a pressing need. Not to mention he's a friend of mine from Markham, ON.

TO EDM:

Michael Funk, 2nd round pick in 2007, 3rd round pick in 2008

TO BUFF:

Raffi Torres
A two time 20 goal scorer, hard hitting, fifth overall pick for that package?

Where do I sign?



Last edited by hemmingway: 02-11-2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason: fifth, not fourth - still.
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02-11-2007, 12:35 PM
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A two time 20 goal scorer, hard hitting, fourth overall pick for that package?

Where do I sign?

Counter:

Michael Funk and a 1st round pick in 2007

for

Raffi Torres

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02-11-2007, 12:38 PM
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Counter:

Michael Funk and a 1st round pick in 2007

for

Raffi Torres
How about:
- Torres
- Anaheims first next year.

For:
- Zagrapan
- Stafford

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Michael Funk, Mike Ryan, 2nd round pick in 2007, and a 2nd round pick in 2008

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Raffi Torres and a 5th round pick in 2007

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I usually don't comment on trade rumours.

But the Oilers aren't going in full rebuild mode. They aren't going to trade any of their young talent.

Trades that could happen if the Oilers decide they are sellers.

Smith - He could garner a high return, he is 33 and the Oilers decide to try to sign another dman on the UFA market but I find this trade unlikely because I think the Oilers will still want Smith around to help the young kids on defence.

Smyth - If the Oilers decide that the return will be high and then either have a handshake agreement for him to come back.

Lupul or Torres IF the player comes back is a dman like Pitkanen. (that trade could happen in the off-season though)

Markkanen, Sykora, Nedved for various draft picks.

If the Oilers climb closer to the playoff picture before the deadline than you may see the Oilers trading for rental players.

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I usually don't comment on trade rumours.

But the Oilers aren't going in full rebuild mode. They aren't going to trade any of their young talent.

Trades that could happen if the Oilers decide they are sellers.

Smith - He could garner a high return, he is 33 and the Oilers decide to try to sign another dman on the UFA market but I find this trade unlikely because I think the Oilers will still want Smith around to help the young kids on defence.

Smyth - If the Oilers decide that the return will be high and then either have a handshake agreement for him to come back.

Lupul or Torres IF the player comes back is a dman like Pitkanen. (that trade could happen in the off-season though)

Markkanen, Sykora, Nedved for various draft picks.

If the Oilers climb closer to the playoff picture before the deadline than you may see the Oilers trading for rental players.
So in your opinion the Oilers are not going to part ways with Torres?

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02-11-2007, 12:50 PM
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So in your opinion the Oilers are not going to part ways with Torres?
I think the only way Torres is dealt if it's for a defenseman under contract.

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So in your opinion the Oilers are not going to part ways with Torres?
Not without an overpay. Zagrapan would look very good with Cogliano, and Stafford has an Edmonton connection. Edmonton really wanted to draft him.

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So in your opinion the Oilers are not going to part ways with Torres?
I hope not. He played well during last years run. That hit on Milan turned the series around. He may not be playing his best right now, but then neither is anyone else outside of Smyth.

A couple months ago I thought that tradeing Smith could be benifitial, but after thinking about it, I dont want him to go. He does alot for this team, and his contract is a bargain. No point getting rid of him when it will cost twice the money to replace him.

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Kalinin, please.

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Kalinin, please.
Kalinin for Torres? Anything need to be added to make this work?

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Wouldn't Winchester fill the role for Buffalo a little better?

I havn't seen Gaustad that much, so I'm not sure exactly how he plays

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I wouldn't suggest a trade for Torres

As others said the only reason we would move the guy is to get a very solid dman ( of the #1 d pedigree )

The guy has too much of a potential upside and every team in the NHL would love to have the guy in their lineup to give him away. As a result the trade to aquire him for a package not built around a dman would seem outrageous from our part.

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Wouldn't Winchester fill the role for Buffalo a little better?

I havn't seen Gaustad that much, so I'm not sure exactly how he plays
The scouting report on TSN

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Has a big frame and an aggressive nature. Is solid at both ends of the ice, and a deft playmaker.

Is limited in the goal-scoring department at the highest level. Needs to play with more consistency in the offensive zone
He sounds to me like his potential will be to become Marty Reasoner with a bit better ability to set up plays. A valuable player for a team to have but not enough to base a trade on Torres around

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I wouldn't suggest a trade for Torres

As others said the only reason we would move the guy is to get a very solid dman ( of the #1 d pedigree )

The guy has too much of a potential upside and every team in the NHL would love to have the guy in their lineup to give him away. As a result the trade to aquire him for a package not built around a dman would seem outrageous from our part.
Kalinin and a pick for Torres?

Kalinin is 26 years old with almost 400 GP under his belt. He's a career +11, and has amassed 125 points without significant PP time. In 21 career playoff games he's been at his best. In Sabreland we had dreams of Kalinin developing into a future #1 type guy, but at this point we are pretty satisfied with his role as a legit Top 4 defenseman. He's under contract for next season at a reasonable price (<2M$). He would be your 3rd most experienced defenseman behind Staios and Smith.

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Wouldn't Winchester fill the role for Buffalo a little better?

I havn't seen Gaustad that much, so I'm not sure exactly how he plays

Much better. And that way we keep Torres. Kalinin doesn't interest me enough to give up one of our top young forwards. Winchester or JFJ would be easier targets. Obviously not for Kalinin though.

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Kalinin and a pick for Torres?

Kalinin is 26 years old with almost 400 GP under his belt. He's a career +11, and has amassed 125 points without significant PP time. In 21 career playoff games he's been at his best. In Sabreland we had dreams of Kalinin developing into a future #1 type guy, but at this point we are pretty satisfied with his role as a legit Top 4 defenseman. He's under contract for next season at a reasonable price (<2M$). He would be your 3rd most experienced defenseman behind Staios and Smith.
If we were talking about last season back when we needed a goalie

You may have been able to work some deal around Biron for Torres with a few pics and possible other players going both ways. Maybe a base deal of

Biron + some player for Torres and Jussi Markannen ( our backup goalie and quite a good one ) to give you the decent backup to Miller. Now with Roloson we don't need the goalie as much for a few years.

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If we were talking about last season back when we needed a goalie

You may have been able to work some deal around Biron for Torres with a few pics and possible other players going both ways. Maybe a base deal of

Biron + some player for Torres and Jussi Markannen ( our backup goalie and quite a good one ) to give you the decent backup to Miller. Now with Roloson we don't need the goalie as much for a few years.
Who's talking about goalies?

Kalinin + a pick for Torres is the question.

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The biggest problem with the Sabres and deals is they are close to the cap. You are really limited to players that are 3rd 4th line players / players in their first few year contracts.

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Who's talking about goalies?

Kalinin + a pick for Torres is the question.
Last year we desperately needed a goalie we may have taken a bit of a hit to get the player. That is why I was saying last year you may have gotten away with Torres in a deal for Biron if you threw in another player along with the guy and Biron had been signed or easy to sign.

Does Kalinin have a good breakout pass to the forwards.

I see the report says he isn't a physical type dman

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Last year we desperately needed a goalie we may have taken a bit of a hit to get the player. That is why I was saying last year you may have gotten away with Torres in a deal for Biron if you threw in another player along with the guy and Biron had been signed or easy to sign.

Does Kalinin have a good breakout pass to the forwards.

I see the report says he isn't a physical type dman
Kalinin is an excellent passer. If you are looking for a mobile defenseman who can skate, pass bring a little physicality and play in all situations, you will not be disappointed with Kalinin. He can give you 20+ solid minutes on any given night.

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Kalinin is an excellent passer. If you are looking for a mobile defenseman who can skate, pass bring a little physicality and play in all situations, you will not be disappointed with Kalinin. He can give you 20+ solid minutes on any given night.
He is closer to what we would need then the original player so the beginning idea at least makes a bit more sense. Breakout passes are lacking on our team, and the Oilers are about 2 good dmen away from being better on the line. I am not saying the Sabres need to provide to, but the Oilers are 2 top 4 upgrades away from a better dline, or one solid number one would make a lot of difference to the team ( but they are rarely moved )

Still may be a tough sell to get Torres, but at least the deal addresses something the team could find useful

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kalinins the goods, it'd be difficult parting with raffi though.

i'd love to see something like

markannen and torres
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biron and kalinin

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