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02-12-2007, 05:21 PM
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I am sure you can get 4th line/press box wingers for around the same price in free agency without trading anything.

No team is going to take Clymer and the 1 million per he is set to make over the next 2 years, only the Caps, a team in need of anyone who has any cup experience would pay that much in a salary cap era for a 4th line winger.

And Bradley, he is a good guy but once again teams can find a player like him in free agency without trading something of value for.
Not if you need them for the playoffs .........

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02-12-2007, 05:22 PM
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The Fans??

You may have a point here...I havent showered in a few days now....

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I mean he scored 14 goals last year while having zero PP time pretty much.

This year he got off to a tough start, then got demoted to 4th line, then got shifted to wing, then back to 4th line...never had consistent linemates and had his ice time hugely diminished. Its not surprising that a young player like him would find it hard to muster confidence.

I will tell you this...if he is traded then the Caps are convinced that Gordon is their 3rd line center. If that is the case we wont be seeing much scoring from the 3rd line for some time. Gordon is the worst offensive player on our team outside of some of the Dmen like Erskine.
Who knows Sutherby could be a late bloomer and holding onto those types isn't for the faint hearted.

Gordon is going to continue to get chances as his positioning is very good considering his age. He needs to develop his shot (even Kolzig jokes with Gordon about his weakest shot on the team, heh) this off season. I like Sutherby's big frame for certain matchups but...

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02-12-2007, 05:26 PM
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What's the beef with Sutherby? I don't get it.

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02-12-2007, 05:29 PM
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Who knows Sutherby could be a late bloomer and holding onto those types isn't for the faint hearted.

Gordon is going to continue to get chances as his positioning is very good considering his age. He needs to develop his shot (even Kolzig jokes with Gordon about his weakest shot on the team, heh) this off season. I like Sutherby's big frame for certain matchups but...
Sutherby just brings more to the table. He has struggled mightily this year and still has as many goals as Gordon who gets significant ice time.

He's having an off year for sure but its not time to give up on him. Gordon's ceiling is much lower as all he really brings is a 50% face off guy with decent defensive awareness. Nothing more.

I would wager Suts has much more value..especially to a playoff team or a guy like Sutter in Calgary who would appreciate his skillset more than we do in DC.

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02-12-2007, 05:31 PM
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I mean he scored 14 goals last year while having zero PP time pretty much.

This year he got off to a tough start, then got demoted to 4th line, then got shifted to wing, then back to 4th line...never had consistent linemates and had his ice time hugely diminished. Its not surprising that a young player like him would find it hard to muster confidence.

I will tell you this...if he is traded then the Caps are convinced that Gordon is their 3rd line center. If that is the case we wont be seeing much scoring from the 3rd line for some time. Gordon is the worst offensive player on our team outside of some of the Dmen like Erskine.
are you saying Suds hands are better than Gordo's ?!? Tinner, Sutherby is fast approaching that rarified air where only demigods with granite paws such as Mike Grier live... Gordo has shown a ton more offense and has earned his playing time...

i'm sorry, but as my grandma would say "**** or get off the pot" (she was such a sweet woman!) - and Sutherby has had numerous chances this year to prove his 14 goal season was not a fluke... do you recall out of training camp he was talking about taking the 2nd line center job? ugh, it frustrating to even type this...

i hope for his sake he goes out west and succeeds - i dont think will happen here in DC


btw - in reference to the "Boyd gets way more ice time" comments: in 6 LESS games Boyd has gotten 6 MORE points than Sutherby... and Boyd started this season as a PK specialist who got spot 4th line duty.

look, alls i'm sayin is the proof is in the pudding... i would love to eat my words if Sutherby can put up solid numbers as a scoring / checking line player... i just dont see it happening... ever.


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02-12-2007, 05:34 PM
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are you saying Suds hands are better than Gordo's ?!? Tinner, Sutherby is fast approaching that rarified air where only demigods with granite paws such as Mike Grier live... Gordo has shown a ton more offense and has earned his playing time...

i'm sorry, but as my grandma would say "**** or get off the pot" (she was such a sweet woman!) - and Sutherby has had numerous chances this year to prove his 14 goal season was not a fluke... do you recall out of training camp he was talking about taking the 2nd line center job? ugh, it frustrating to even type this...

i hope for his sake he goes out west and succeeds - i dont think will happen here in DC
Matty...

Gordon has 3 NHL goals in some 120 games...

Last year alone Sutherby had 14. This year they have the same amount of goals while Gordon has gotten much more quality ice time.

Gordon has zero offense. Sutherby has a hard shot and drives the net so the tools are there.

Gordon does/has neither of these things.

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02-12-2007, 05:36 PM
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Oh my god.

I totally 100% agree with Tinner.


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02-12-2007, 05:43 PM
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Matty...

Gordon has 3 NHL goals in some 120 games...

Last year alone Sutherby had 14. This year they have the same amount of goals while Gordon has gotten much more quality ice time.

Gordon has zero offense. Sutherby has a hard shot and drives the net so the tools are there.

Gordon does/has neither of these things.
actually its 4 goals in 114 games, but whatever...

and that "Gordo has gotten more quality ice time" does not hold water... at the start of the season that was not the case... you make it sound as though he has had the advantage since training camp, when it was wquite the opposite...

but again, it does not matter.

i know the BOY is not yer type of player Tinner and the Suts is (big, has dropped the mittens, snarls alot) and we can all live with that.

when i watch them both play this year, i see Gordo as doing more to help the team win. period.

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02-12-2007, 05:46 PM
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I'm siding with Matty on this one. Sutherby has regressed this year. I"m willing to go another year with him to see if he bounces back. The shine is just wearing off him, heh.

Tinner you've never liked Gordo just admit it .

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02-12-2007, 06:08 PM
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i think we hold onto both gordon and suds for now.

the only players we should trade/release are over 30 players in which younger guys are starting to be on par with or surpass.
Muir, Clymer, Heward come to mind.
Zednik i tihnk likes playing in DC and should be kept unless something reasonable comes our way.

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02-12-2007, 06:12 PM
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I don't understand the rush to throw guys off this team.

Why can't Sutherby be the fourth-line centre?
Would y'all rather Beech or Klepis? I sure wouldn't.

Sutherby will never be a top scorer, but he does lots of little things.
Not to mention the leadership aspect.
The guy is an assistant captain for heaven's sake.
Obviously he means something to the team.

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02-12-2007, 06:14 PM
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Why can't Sutherby be the fourth-line centre?
Would y'all rather Beech or Klepis? I sure wouldn't.
No, not beech or Klepis, but I would rather see Laich or Gordo there next year, assuming the Caps have a legit 1 and 2 C.

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Oh my god.

I totally 100% agree with Tinner.

That cannot be a good thing.


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I'm siding with Matty on this one. Sutherby has regressed this year. I"m willing to go another year with him to see if he bounces back. The shine is just wearing off him, heh.

Tinner you've never liked Gordo just admit it .
I think every one of the back six (except Gordon and Brashear) have regressed and that includes guys who should be back six (Pettinger).

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No, not beech or Klepis, but I would rather see Laich or Gordo there next year, assuming the Caps have a legit 1 and 2 C
Gordon would, could and should be the third line centre.
Laich is definitely a possibility, but he hasn't beaten out Sutherby as far as I'm concerned.

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Matty...

Gordon has 3 NHL goals in some 120 games...

Last year alone Sutherby had 14. This year they have the same amount of goals while Gordon has gotten much more quality ice time.

Gordon has zero offense. Sutherby has a hard shot and drives the net so the tools are there.

Gordon does/has neither of these things.
How can you say that. Butch put him on the first line next to Jagr and got an assist on opening night. Are you saying you are a better talent evaluator than Butch?

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Gordon would, could and should be the third line centre.
Laich is definitely a possibility, but he hasn't beaten out Sutherby as far as I'm concerned.
Just a reminder to all the Sutherby bashers that as bad a year as he's having, he still has as many goals this year as Gordon has in his entire career.

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I'd keep sutherby and Gordon, one of clymer or bradley, one of heward or muir to be perma-scratch, regrettably keep zubrus for now, and trade zednik, probably Klepis too. It'd be nice to graduate a forward prospect next year, skill level permitting. Having the room would be great

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02-12-2007, 09:23 PM
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Matty,

I stand corrected...4 goals it is...thats still a sad number ...Trent Whitfield-esque except that Trent stuck his nose where the opposition didnt want it..."the boy" doesnt go near where someone can hit him.

Usiel,

While its true that I never cared for Gordon he has done nothing to change my mind. He's the same player now that he was when he started the season on Jagr's line during the Butch era.

I agree with Critter that he and Brashear are two of the bottom six that havent regressed...but I'd still take a regressed Pettinger or Sutherby over an improved Gordon.

Sutherby answered the bell on Sat night but his teammates did not.

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Trading Zubrus would be retarded. It simply sends the wrong message to the team, and the fans. The guy has bled Caps colours now for how many seasons and has done all the org has asked him to do. Do what you can to resign him, period.

If you want to trade Zubrus, which will set us back another year, then please trade Kolzig too. What's the point of keeping him then?

Oh, and please don't tell me we will use the 'Zubrus money" on another center or right wing.....news flash...WE WON'T!!!

Great plan.....

(and we won't get Vermette for Zubrus either, so get that pipe dream out of your heads...you saw what UFA to be Brad Stuart got in return, didn't you? )

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That depends on the situation. Since Zubrus also plays RW, a team with plenty of center depth could deal away one in order to land Zubrus as an upgrade at RW instead of center. Zubrus would work better on the wing anyhow.
Why can't that team be the Caps?

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Trading Zubrus would be retarded. It simply sends the wrong message to the team, and the fans. The guy has bled Caps colours now for how many seasons and has done all the org has asked him to do. Do what you can to resign him, period.

If you want to trade Zubrus, which will set us back another year, then please trade Kolzig too. What's the point of keeping him then?

Oh, and please don't tell me we will use the 'Zubrus money" on another center or right wing.....news flash...WE WON'T!!!

Great plan.....

(and we won't get Vermette for Zubrus either, so get that pipe dream out of your heads...you saw what UFA to be Brad Stuart got in return, didn't you? )
Olie Kolzig bled Caps colors
Dale Hunter bled Caps colors
Rod Langway bled Caps Colors

Danius Zubrus has been the perfect example of an underachieving, inconsistant player who besides the final 20 games of last season and the first 12 games of this season has been below average in almost every way for his entire career.

His play as a center has been very overrated by most on these boards, and his defensive play is solid but nothing special, and his face-off skills are nothing to brag about.

And lets not pretend that his move from RW to Center was some big sacrifice on his part. Because last time I checked he was never a great RW. Losing Zuby would be just like losing Halpern last season. The idea of losing him would be much worse that what we actually lose.

At this point I would rather see the Caps move Zuby for a mid round pick than spend anything over 3 million per for. I would rather suffer through a slightly poorer team next season that giving a bad contract to a inconsistant player for multiple years.

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I say keep Zubrus. Its pathetic that someone that inconsistent is still one of our top 4 forwards but he is. And its not a coincidence he will be getting 3 mil. At least he gives his all, uses his great size (to nail people and cycle) and can at least hang a little bit with Ovey offensively. He is not great in any one aspect of the game but decent at most all aspects of the game. We would be small at center without him - who is our next biggest center - Beech?? Sure we dont have to face a Lindros 7 times a year anymore but I wont forget all those years wondering why the caps never had a 6'2"+ center.

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Hmm....trade Zubrus if he makes it known he's expecting more than $4 mill.


I'm inclined to keep Sutherby and Eminger unless a killer upgrade on D or Center is available.

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Keep Sutherby, Klepis (!), Gordon. I expect Zubrus will sign with the Caps in the next week or so. I would certainly trade Zed if anything could be had for him...

We don't really have much else to trade so I suppose this will be a yawner of a trade deadline day.

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