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02-12-2007, 01:49 AM
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Very interesting. I think the rags give up a bit more than us but pretty even. I would probably do that ddeal though.
Agreed, they do give up a little more in the deal but they are the ones trying to run while the Kings can be patient. They can keep Camms and be happy or get this package and be happier. But the Rags I think need to do something to improve right now and also to satisfy/activate Shanahan. The Ranger fans can pretty much assume that when in the playoffs, Jagr and his line will face the opposition's best neutralizers so having scoring in the 2nd line and beyond will be crucial.

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02-12-2007, 01:52 AM
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Agreed, they do give up a little more in the deal but they are the ones trying to run while the Kings can be patient. They can keep Camms and be happy or get this package and be happier. But the Rags I think need to do something to improve right now and also to satisfy/activate Shanahan. The Ranger fans can pretty much assume that when in the playoffs, Jagr and his line will face the opposition's best neutralizers so having scoring in the 2nd line and beyond will be crucial.

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As much as a I don't want to trade Cammy and hopes he stays a King, I would be interested to see what kind of numbers he could up in the East........playing with Jagr.........

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Bernier is about 2-3 years away, more so 3. Maybe Sanguinetti with 1 or 2 more players/picks.

Dean Lombardi wants some young D talent.
Bernier is 2 years away, he'll be starting for the Monarchs next season. For Cammy how well he's playing and his up side; Stall, Sanguinetti and a 1st. If you listened to the Breakfest with the GM, DL talked about Cammy a few times and he loves how he plays. Cammy is one of the 5 players that this team is being built around. The only way he's getting moved is for a huge payment, but he's not going anywhere.

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Cammelleri
Armstrong
Norstrom

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02-12-2007, 02:01 AM
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Cammelleri
Armstrong
Norstrom

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Marc Staal



WAY too much.

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Bernier is 2 years away, he'll be starting for the Monarchs next season. For Cammy how well he's playing and his up side; Stall, Sanguinetti and a 1st. If you listened to the Breakfest with the GM, DL talked about Cammy a few times and he loves how he plays. Cammy is one of the 5 players that this team is being built around. The only way he's getting moved is for a huge payment but, he's not going anywhere
Did you listen to the same Breakfast with the GM that I did?

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"If Cammy's Agent see's him as a 35 goal scorer, he'll want a number (salary figure) that's way different than what we see him at..."


"I don't know if we had enough information to give Cammy what he wanted..."


"The closer he gets to free agency the harder and harder it's gonna be (signing Cammy long term)...Someday I might have to give Cammy 5M over 10 years and it might not turn out."

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02-12-2007, 02:15 AM
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The only reason that all of this trade talk with Cammalleri is coming up is that he doesn't have a multi-year contract. If he had one like Frolov, then, like Frolov, no one would be considering trading him. Let's give Lombardi the chance to lock Mike up long-term this Summer. If something reasonable can't be reached, then sign him for another one-year and trade him, either before the season or at this time next year. A long-term contract is more in the Kings' interest and favor than a prospect or two that's a year or more away and may never be as good as Mike. Giving it a go deserves one more chance.

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Yes. I want to be just like Caniacforever.
You mean bitter at a player who wouldn't sign a contract with your team? Are you subconsciously bitter towards Cammalleri, Beauty? Let's explore these feelings of bitterness. Please, take a seat on the coach.

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I am a strong advocate of putting Bernier on the Ryan Miller development plan. Slow and steady. IMO Fleury himself was rushed and it screwed up his development to an as of yet unknown degree.

As a Kings fan, I think the Rags get robbed in a Cammalleri for Staal straight-up trade. Yes, Cammalleri is a 35 goal scorer but Staal is a sure-thing future #2 dman. I'll take the dman any day!

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Bernier is 2 years away, he'll be starting for the Monarchs next season. For Cammy how well he's playing and his up side; Stall, Sanguinetti and a 1st. If you listened to the Breakfest with the GM, DL talked about Cammy a few times and he loves how he plays. Cammy is one of the 5 players that this team is being built around. The only way he's getting moved is for a huge payment, but he's not going anywhere.
Cammy is definitely not trash we're trying to dump. I love the guy and I think he has some special clutch leadership inside of him in the Messier vein. I don't know, I've just picked it up from watching him as the captains of his previous teams and his tournament leadership.

But as for Bernier, I could see him in a Kings uniform as the backup in two years. But I really don't believe he is in that .1% of all goaltenders like Roy or Cam Ward who will start as a rookie and make a major impact. And that's who we will need; someone who is a full starter with experience in 2010 ready to take us past the 2nd round of the playoffs where we get run out by whomever is the best experienced team in the west, thus giving us enough playoff experience so that we can make four or five real Cup runs 2011-12 to 2015-2016. I don't want to be Colorado. I want us to be like Detroit or even New Jersey, or possibly the Penguins of the early 90s.

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02-12-2007, 04:47 AM
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You mean bitter at a player who wouldn't sign a contract with your team? Are you subconsciously bitter towards Cammalleri, Beauty? Let's explore these feelings of bitterness. Please, take a seat on the coach.
Judges ruling...

Yes, I do believe that was a joke from Mr.Osprey.

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Yes. I want to be just like Caniacforever.
Setting your goals low, so that success is easier...interesting approach.

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i think a better fit for cammy would be with atlanta !!!

TO ATL Cammy , Sopel

to LA Exelby , Lewis

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I have never really followed the history of the Kings, but when I was looking around tonight I saw that the Kings traded Aki Berg at the deadline in 2001 for Adam Mair and a 2nd rounder who turned out to be Cammalleri.

Wow...talk about a lopsided trade

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Staal and Hollweg.

Rangers can hope that Staal will turn into a Leetch type player, but Cammalleri is currently an NHL player putting up 20+ goals a season. They would take that deal and run.
Hollweg?!?!?
Are you serious buddy?
C'mon...

Cammalleri will be our leading scorer at the end of the season.

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Yeah, but Bernier already has 3 seasons of junior under his belt...I wouldn't be surprised if he is in Manchester next season.
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Bernier is 2 years away, he'll be starting for the Monarchs next season.
IIRC, Bernier will continue to be too young to play in Manchester until after NEXT season. So a 2-year minimum ETA is a pretty reasonable guess, and he won't be in Manchester next year.


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Visnovsky
Kopitar
Frolov
Cammalleri
JMFJ

I'm not sure Lombardi is going to be able to retain all of these guys long-term...

Visnovsky hits UFA next season...
Cammalleri hits UFA in 2-seasons...
Kopitar hits RFA in 2-seasons...
Frolov hits UFA in 3-seasons...
If JMFJ signs this off-season, he'll hit RFA in 3-seasons...

IMO, the time to lock-up Cammalleri to a contract like Frolov's was at the same time they did Frolov's, two seasons ago. For whatever reason or reasons, that didn't happen. So now, they're in a tough spot with Cammalleri. He producing and arbitration eligible. There's really no reason for the Kings to do a contract like Frolov's with Cammalleri at this point, given that with Frolov's contract, the Kings probably paid him a bit more than market value up front with the hope of making it back up toward the end. In other words, for the Kings to do a Frolov type contract with Cammalleri, they'd start overpaying him now and hope to make it up in the end. It just doesn't work in this case. Overpaying Cammalleri now would likely bring them into the $3.5-$4M range...


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If I recall correctly, Bernier will continue to be too young to play in Manchester until after NEXT season. So a 2-year minimum ETA is a pretty reasonable guess, and he won't be in Manchester next year.
I believe you are correct. NHL or Juniors for Bernier until he's 20-yrs old or has played 4-seasons in the Juniors. He's currently in his 3rd season of Juniors...

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Visnovsky
Kopitar
Frolov
Cammalleri
JMFJ

I'm not sure Lombardi is going to be able to retain all of these guys long-term...

Visnovsky hits UFA next season...
Cammalleri hits UFA in 2-seasons...
Kopitar hits RFA in 2-seasons...
Frolov hits UFA in 3-seasons...
If JMFJ signs this off-season, he'll hit RFA in 3-seasons...

IMO, the time to lock-up Cammalleri to a contract like Frolov's was at the same time they did Frolov's, two seasons ago. For whatever reason or reasons, that didn't happen. So now, they're in a tough spot with Cammalleri. He producing and arbitration eligible. There's really no reason for the Kings to do a contract like Frolov's with Cammalleri at this point, given that with Frolov's contract, the Kings probably paid him a bit more than market value up front with the hope of making it back up toward the end. In other words, for the Kings to do a Frolov type contract with Cammalleri, they'd start overpaying him now and hope to make it up in the end. It just doesn't work in this case. Overpaying Cammalleri now would likely bring them into the $3.5-$4M range...
Looking at Cammy's point production, I would consider $3.5-$4M cheap.

Theses stats are for the 05-06 season:

Gomez 33G 51A 84PTS

Briere 25G 33A 58PTS

Gagne 47G 32A 79PTS

Each one of these players recieved at least $5M the following offseason. Cammy is currently on pace for 78PTS (33G 45A).

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Hollweg?!?!?
Are you serious buddy?
C'mon...

Cammalleri will be our leading scorer at the end of the season.
Basically it'd come down to a #2 d-man and a fan favorite for a 30 goal scorer.

Hollweg would come in and be just as much if not moreso of a fan favorite as Avery without all of the distractions, plus he's from L.A.

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why are Kings fans so insistent on trading Cammalleri Look at his point prduction. He is obviously producing why trade him at all? stop thinking like dave taylor kings fans. stop trading for trading sake and keep the players that are bringing on ice results such as cammy. I say we keep camms. BIG mistake moving cammalleri. look at his age and his point production he will be a 80-90 point player. camm = next martin st.louis just wait for it.

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