HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > National Hockey League Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
National Hockey League Talk Discuss NHL players, teams, games, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Overtime Loss Point talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-13-2007, 09:27 PM
  #1
Raptor
Registered User
 
Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Country: Russian Federation
Posts: 489
vCash: 500
Overtime Loss Point talk

Yes, this is an edit.
I hate it. I despise it, I think it's the stupidest idea ever, I hate it I hate it I hate it.
Why the hell couldn't the NHL just keep ties? 2 points to one team for the win and 0 to another team for the loss, 1 point to both teams tying.
Two points given out each game.
Do you realize how unfair the extra point is? Not to the losing team, but to the winning team? If it takes you more than 60 minutes or shootout to beat an opponent, you don't deserve the two points. Yes, it's a win, but...meh. OT or shootout wins don't impress me at all.
"So what is the point of overtime or shootout then if there wouldn't be given anything extra?"
No point at all.
Why the hell couldn't the NHL just keep ties.


Last edited by Raptor: 02-14-2007 at 09:10 PM.
Raptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 09:33 PM
  #2
cassius
Registered User
 
cassius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 12,106
vCash: 500
thanks for the insight

A+++++++++++ POST WOULD READ AGAIN!!

cassius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 09:34 PM
  #3
wukwinn
Registered User
 
wukwinn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 1,257
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to wukwinn Send a message via Yahoo to wukwinn
Hell, if they were undefeated in regulation, they deserve it.

wukwinn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 09:36 PM
  #4
MrAlfie
 
MrAlfie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Rehab
Country: Spain
Posts: 5,249
vCash: 500
for the millionth time.. it is NOT a loser point. its the point you get for a regulation tie.

is it really that hard to understand??

MrAlfie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 09:36 PM
  #5
Phousse
Registered User
 
Phousse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,607
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wukwinn View Post
Hell, if they were undefeated in regulation, they deserve it.
Agreed.

If they're good enough to never lose in regulation, why should they not deserve a spot?

Phousse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 10:48 PM
  #6
PeterSidorkiewicz
Original *** allstar
 
PeterSidorkiewicz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Michigan
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 16,662
vCash: 500
12 Wins-0 losses-70 Ties= 94pts= Playoff spot.

So whats the diff again?

PeterSidorkiewicz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 10:50 PM
  #7
Plato
Registered User
 
Plato's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New York
Country: Greece
Posts: 10,153
vCash: 100000
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterSidorkiewicz View Post
12 Wins-0 losses-70 Ties= 94pts= Playoff spot.

So whats the diff again?
No diff

Plato is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 11:22 PM
  #8
Herdin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 217
vCash: 500
How about 47 Shootout wins and 35 losses. Never winning in regulation yet making the playoffs.

Herdin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 11:28 PM
  #9
GernerPSU
Registered User
 
GernerPSU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: State College
Country: United States
Posts: 4,146
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to GernerPSU
It keeps more teams in the playoff race and in turn increases league revenue. Last time I checked everybody on the board was all for that. The "loser point" isn't going anywhere.

GernerPSU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2007, 11:33 PM
  #10
rosey6629
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Belleville, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 34
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
As bad as you can make the playoffs losing 70 games in overtime.
12-0-70.
94 points.
A pretty much guaranteed playoff spot.

That's how.
This is the most illogical thing i've ever read.

rosey6629 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 02:49 AM
  #11
Canucks19*
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,417
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Herdin View Post
How about 47 Shootout wins and 35 losses. Never winning in regulation yet making the playoffs.
how about 82 wins in the shootout.... where would this team end up in the playoffs?

Canucks19* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 02:54 AM
  #12
Ogopogo*
 
Ogopogo*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,214
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAlfie View Post
for the millionth time.. it is NOT a loser point. its the point you get for a regulation tie.

is it really that hard to understand??
It's stupid no matter what you call it.

Ogopogo* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 03:31 AM
  #13
Lunatik*
 
Lunatik*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Lethbridge
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,918
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
As bad as you can make the playoffs losing 70 games in overtime.
12-0-70.
94 points.
A pretty much guaranteed playoff spot.

That's how.
actually it could screw them over for a playoff spot... because in all those games they get 1 point they are giving the cometition 2... if all of those divisional games were 3 point game it would hurt them more than help them

Lunatik* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 08:43 AM
  #14
MrAlfie
 
MrAlfie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Rehab
Country: Spain
Posts: 5,249
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogopogo View Post
It's stupid no matter what you call it.

what is stupid? getting a point for a tie?
its always been like this, it never changed. the game is tied, both get a point.
thats what some of you obviously fail to realize.

so how about instead of whining about the "loser" point (that isnt even existent), whining about the bonuspoint? or the worth of a shootout win compared to a regulation time win.

i sometimes feel like talking to a wall.

seriously,

why-is-it-so-hard-to-understand-that-it-is-not-a-point-for-losing-the-game-but-tying-the-game???

MrAlfie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 08:47 AM
  #15
MoreOrr
B4
 
MoreOrr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Mexico
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,573
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogopogo View Post
It's stupid no matter what you call it.
No, what's stupid is awarding a SO winner the same number of points as a team that won the game during 60-65 minutes of actual hockey. That's what's stupid. And on top of that, the SO winner, and the OT winner, allowed their opponent to go away with a point (a point that's not a Loser point but a point that's gained because the other team wasn't able to beat them in game time action), a point that really should be substracted from the value of the win.

MoreOrr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 12:02 PM
  #16
What the Faulk
The Real Swede Shady
 
What the Faulk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: North Carolina
Country: United States
Posts: 31,186
vCash: 500
No, it's stupid bringing up this freaking thread every other day. How about combining all of these threads just like the ugliest player topic?

What the Faulk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 12:10 PM
  #17
znk
Registered User
 
znk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
As bad as you can make the playoffs losing 70 games in overtime.
12-0-70.
94 points.
A pretty much guaranteed playoff spot.

That's how.
Well at least that team was good enough to at least get a tie after the 60 regulation minutes.

Before overtimes...wich is not so far back.....that team would have had 94 points too.

So what the hell is the damn problem....why do we have to see a thread pop up every 5 minutes about that.

znk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 01:00 PM
  #18
Rudolf Yaber
Registered User
 
Rudolf Yaber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,734
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAlfie View Post
why-is-it-so-hard-to-understand-that-it-is-not-a-point-for-losing-the-game-but-tying-the-game???

If that were the logic there would be no point for an OT loss.

Its not a logical practice; its a gimmick.

Rudolf Yaber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 01:10 PM
  #19
PhilMeyer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 113
vCash: 500
I absolutely LOVE the 3-2-1-0 point system.

You go into each and every game with three points at stake.

If you win in regulation, then you get all three. The opponent gets none.

If you win in overtime/shootout, you get two, and the opponent only gets one.

It's logical, simple, intuitive, and benefits teams who win in regulation over those who win in overtime/shoortouts.

Isn't that what we all want?

PhilMeyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 01:20 PM
  #20
Lexicon Devil
Registered User
 
Lexicon Devil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 8,343
vCash: 500
Wow the guy on the not-a-loser-point crusade is really missing the point.

Rewarding teams who don't win in regulation with an extra point is absurd. Giving out three points in these games is annoying.

Theoretically, the game theoretical best strategy is for both teams to play lowscoring games, maximizing the probability of a tie, hence ensuring themselves 1.5 average points a game.

Lexicon Devil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 03:41 PM
  #21
PeterSidorkiewicz
Original *** allstar
 
PeterSidorkiewicz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Michigan
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 16,662
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilMeyer View Post
I absolutely LOVE the 3-2-1-0 point system.

You go into each and every game with three points at stake.

If you win in regulation, then you get all three. The opponent gets none.

If you win in overtime/shootout, you get two, and the opponent only gets one.

It's logical, simple, intuitive, and benefits teams who win in regulation over those who win in overtime/shoortouts.

Isn't that what we all want?
I agree with you, if this was implemented, I would have no problems with it. However, this thread topic is still ********, as a Team with 12-0-70 in OTL's and a team 12-0-70 in ties is the samething, so I dont really see the original guys point of this.

PeterSidorkiewicz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 03:42 PM
  #22
MrAlfie
 
MrAlfie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Rehab
Country: Spain
Posts: 5,249
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexicon Devil View Post
Wow the guy on the not-a-loser-point crusade is really missing the point.

Rewarding teams who don't win in regulation with an extra point is absurd. Giving out three points in these games is annoying.

Theoretically, the game theoretical best strategy is for both teams to play lowscoring games, maximizing the probability of a tie, hence ensuring themselves 1.5 average points a game.
how about talking directly to me?

you sir are missing the point that it is not an extra point. regulation time goes 60 minutes, if its a tie then its 1 point for each team because there was no winner.
the team might no have won in regulation time, but they also did not lose. it was a tie, if its a tie after 60 minutes then both should be awarded a point. since its usually 2 points for a win, so they split it because it was undecesive.

one could argue to change the system into 3 points for a regulation time (60mins) win and 2 for an extra time /SO win where the team that loses in overtime or shootout should be rewarded 1 point for making it into overtime.


OT and SO is not regulation time.


jeez... i wonder if some who still dont understand it ever saw a school from the inside...

MrAlfie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 03:43 PM
  #23
Lunatik*
 
Lunatik*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Lethbridge
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,918
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterSidorkiewicz View Post
I agree with you, if this was implemented, I would have no problems with it. However, this thread topic is still ********, as a Team with 12-0-70 in OTL's and a team 12-0-70 in ties is the samething, so I dont really see the original guys point of this.
i agree as long as they have a shootout this is the system they need to go to... but they think changing the point system is messing with "tradition"... but thats always their excuse and it didnt stop them from implementing something stupid liek a shootout

Lunatik* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 03:49 PM
  #24
Sportacus
:)
 
Sportacus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,683
vCash: 500
The shootout gives the SO WINNER an extra point. Ties should be brought back.

Sportacus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2007, 03:55 PM
  #25
buddahsmoka1
Registered User
 
buddahsmoka1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: México, D.F.
Country: Mexico
Posts: 25,057
vCash: 500
I think they should abolish the OTL's and SOLs to make just wins and losses. Winners get 2 points and losers get 0. You win, you win. But realistically the extra point that the team gets makes playoff races tighter. The NHL loves to see a tighter playoff race because it makes it more exciting. So I don't think the NHL will change the current point system.

buddahsmoka1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:35 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.