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02-14-2007, 07:35 AM
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Should Forsberg's "C" get taken away?

To me, it seems like he wants out of philly, He is a UFA at the end of the season, but so are players like Joe Sakic. He made it clear that he would only play for a "few" teams. Can you imagine how awkward it might be in the locker room with your captain wanting out of the team!! Is this the kind of player that should be a captain of a team? Sure Naslund has been called a bad captain, but he has never said he wanted to be traded because "he felt he wasn't a good player anymore" (Forsberg said that). I think his "C" should be taken away and given to someone else, maybe Gagne, who is a player that has a long future in Philly. What do you guys think, should Philly take Forsbergs "C" away for the remainding time he is there.... Im shocked it wasn't done earlier when he said he wanted to be traded, or When he couldn't find a proper skate to play, If your getting paid close to 6 million bucks a year, im pretty sure you can find a pair of skates(custom made or not). This is not a good example for the young players on the team like Richards, Carter, or any other young players around the league.

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To me, it seem like everyone else but him feels he wants out of Philly. He has never once mentioned he wants out and he has a no trade clause.

Everybody should stop feeling for him and let him make his own decisions.

By the way, when you say you think maybee Gagne should be a new captain, it says you don't know that much about Philly as a team. Gagne has repeatedly said a clear "no" to become a captain. He ain't the leader type.


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I have never once heard Forsberg say he wanted out. He simply said "IF" he was to be traded, he had a list he wanted to goto.

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IMO the "C" is just as overrated as leadership is. I doesn´t give him special powers. Every player with a "C" is just another human being and he would have just as much influence over me as anyone else. I think players see that like that as well (at least the ones I have talked too).

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I have never once heard Forsberg say he wanted out. He simply said "IF" he was to be traded, he had a list he wanted to goto.
On TSN: they talked to the Flyers GM, and he said that Forsberg feels he should be traded becasue "he is not helping his team, because he feels he is not the same player he was"

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Never seen Forsberg as a captain.

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IMO the "C" is just as overrated as leadership is. I doesn´t give him special powers. Every player with a "C" is just another human being and he would have just as much influence over me as anyone else. I think players see that like that as well (at least the ones I have talked too).
Well with what he is doing, my point is saying, does he have the leadership skills to even have a C? after saying that he wouldnt mind beeing trading, He is indirectly saying he wants to get traded, if he never wanted to get traded, then he wouldn't have said anything, like a player like Joe Sakic....hes a UFA at the end of the season, and Colorado will most likely miss out on the playoffs, how come teams dont show interest in renting Sakic?

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To me, it seem like everyone else but him feels he wants out of Philly. He has never once mentioned he wants out and he has a no trade clause.

Everybody should stop feeling for him and let him make his own decisions.

By the way, when you say you think maybee Gagne should be a new captain, it says you don't know that much about Philly as a team. Gagne has repeatedly said a clear "no" to become a captain. He ain't the leader type.
Your right, i dont watch much philly games, just of the top of my head i said Gagne, if Forsberg had to go permanently.... I never heard of Gagne saying no to the "c"

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I think that it is because of the contract situation. Sakic went to the lockout already signed. Everybody knew Foppa couldn`t get signed. If it was the other way around people would ask for Sakic now. But the way it is now, Sakic is Colorado whereas Foppa signed somewhere else. He just played two seasons there compared to how long he played in Colorado that is nothing. Would Philly even sign him again? I haven`t heard anyone saying they would. So what is he supposed to do?

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I think that it is because of the contract situation. Sakic went to the lockout already signed. Everybody knew Foppa couldn`t get signed. If it was the other way around people would ask for Sakic now. But the way it is now, Sakic is Colorado whereas Foppa signed somewhere else. He just played two seasons there compared to how long he played in Colorado that is nothing. Would Philly even sign him again? I haven`t heard anyone saying they would. So what is he supposed to do?
Philly's main intention is to re-sign Forsberg.... from what i have heard...

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Philly's main intention is to re-sign Forsberg.... from what i have heard...
Ok, I haven`t read that. Than it comes down to money I guess.

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Ok, I haven`t read that. Than it comes down to money I guess.
Yes the meeting they had earlier this week, was mainly about Forsbergs future plans with Philly, and im not sure if money will be an issue, because im sure his value has dropped, because with Foppa these days, your probably only going to get 50-60 games a season... If your lucky.

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Philly's main intention is to re-sign Forsberg.... from what i have heard...
Thats what theyre saying publicly but the best thing to do for the Flyers is trade him and then resign him next year on a handshake deal.

That way they get Forsberg 1or 2 1st rounders and/or a young player and also ensure they finish last in the league.

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Thats what theyre saying publicly but the best thing to do for the Flyers is trade him and then resign him next year on a handshake deal.

That way they get Forsberg 1or 2 1st rounders and/or a young player and also ensure they finish last in the league.
Philly will not get that much if it's only a renting situation.... Teams like Nashville, Anaheim and Detroit will only give that much if they know they can re-sign the guy.

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To me, it seems like he wants out of philly, He is a UFA at the end of the season, but so are players like Joe Sakic. He made it clear that he would only play for a "few" teams. Can you imagine how awkward it might be in the locker room with your captain wanting out of the team!! Is this the kind of player that should be a captain of a team? Sure Naslund has been called a bad captain, but he has never said he wanted to be traded because "he felt he wasn't a good player anymore" (Forsberg said that). I think his "C" should be taken away and given to someone else, maybe Gagne, who is a player that has a long future in Philly. What do you guys think, should Philly take Forsbergs "C" away for the remainding time he is there.... Im shocked it wasn't done earlier when he said he wanted to be traded, or When he couldn't find a proper skate to play, If your getting paid close to 6 million bucks a year, im pretty sure you can find a pair of skates(custom made or not). This is not a good example for the young players on the team like Richards, Carter, or any other young players around the league.

Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren was asked Monday night if Forsberg has asked to be traded to a contender.

"No, he never has," Holmgren said. "That's easy to answer."

Holmgren said he and Forsberg have never talked about the teams that have inquired about Forsberg.

"He's never done that and we'd never ask (his preferences) because our overtures have been to re-sign him," Holmgren said.


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He has been able to skate well for approx 2 consecutive weeks for the first time since the ankle surgery in May. If finding a skate that worked right was as easy as you make it sound it would not have taken 5 months to find it. They have been to every doctor, specialist and skate manufacturer they can think of for the last 5 months.

And now because there is a trade deadline looming to get some return on him in case he won't re-sign, the Flyers need him to make a decision about how that skate & orthotic might be able to hold up over the next 2 years. How could anyone make that kind of determination when you consider what has gone on with his ankles for the last 6 years or more? He has never said he wants to leave. All he has been asking for is time.

Unfortunately, the Flyers don't have that kind of time right now. They want an answer about the next 2 years - right now - or they need to cash in on him while they can. He will not give an extension because he does not know what will happen 3 months from now. I don't blame them for wanting an answer. I don't blame him for not giving one.

If this skate/orthotic solution had been found back in October or November I don't think this talk is happening today because that team wouldn't be in last place and Forsberg would have a better idea how it will hold up over a several month period and not just TWO WEEKS.

As for his ability to play out the rest of the year, I think he will be fine. But to sign a 2 year (or possibly 3 year) contract extension, knowing how much depends on this skate after such a short period of time, is irresponsible of everyone, not just him. I think he is saving the Flyers from making a mistake to be honest. Cuz Lord knows if that thing becomes ineffective around December next year it could get ugly in Philly both for him and them for taking such a risk after a 2 week trial period.

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Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren was asked Monday night if Forsberg has asked to be traded to a contender.

"No, he never has," Holmgren said. "That's easy to answer."

Holmgren said he and Forsberg have never talked about the teams that have inquired about Forsberg.

"He's never done that and we'd never ask (his preferences) because our overtures have been to re-sign him," Holmgren said.


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He has been able to skate well for approx 2 consecutive weeks for the first time since the ankle surgery in May. If finding a skate that worked right was as easy as you make it sound it would not have taken 5 months to find it. They have been to every doctor, specialist and skate manufacturer they can think of for the last 5 months.

And now because there is a trade deadline looming to get some return on him in case he won't re-sign, the Flyers need him to make a decision about how that skate & orthotic might be able to hold up over the next 2 years. How could anyone make that kind of determination when you consider what has gone on with his ankles for the last 6 years or more? He has never said he wants to leave. All he has been asking for is time.

Unfortunately, the Flyers don't have that kind of time right now. They want an answer about the next 2 years - right now - or they need to cash in on him while they can. He will not give an extension because he does not know what will happen 3 months from now. I don't blame them for wanting an answer. I don't blame him for not giving one.

If this skate/orthotic solution had been found back in October or November I don't think this talk is happening today because that team wouldn't be in last place and Forsberg would have a better idea how it will hold up over a several month period and not just TWO WEEKS.

As for his ability to play out the rest of the year, I think he will be fine. But to sign a 2 year (or possibly 3 year) contract extension, knowing how much depends on this skate after such a short period of time, is irresponsible of everyone, not just him. I think he is saving the Flyers from making a mistake to be honest. Cuz Lord knows if that thing becomes ineffective around December next year it could get ugly in Philly both for him and them for taking such a risk after a 2 week trial period.
He is obviosuly not going to admit Forsberg asked for a trade, becasue he wouldn't want any thing to happen between him and the philly fans, if Forsberg were to re-sign. No GM ever tells the truth!!!

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As for your insistence that he is a bad leader, I don't even know what to say. He is not an in your face kind of person. Is Naslund? Is Sakic? There is more than one way to lead men and he has always been a lead by example person.

You say he is a bad example for Carter, Richards and all their young guys. I say - bull. On ice, no one works harder. No one competes harder night in, night out. He doesn't cut corners. He plays as well defensively as anyone could ask for a guy who is so good offensively. He puts his body on the line to hit or be hit to make a play even though he is repeatedly bashed for missing time with injury. He takes responsibility for his bad nights when he has them. He never blames any one but himself for how bad the team is - even though this year there is blame enough for everyone. If you think that is a bad example for Carter and Richards then I think you are mistaken.

He cannot lead them however when he isn't able to play. It is unfortunate and a legitimate criticism but one not entirely within his own control. Should they have put the C on someone else? Perhaps. It's a risk they all took. Would they have been able to make this team avoid last place any better? I say no. Our problems on D and in goal are what put us in last place, not Forsberg or his leadership abilities.


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Yeah, take the C from that sloppy guy, and give it to Hatcher, it worked out great last time.

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If Peter 'wanted' out, he'd be gone. Just ask Allen Iverson.

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If Peter 'wanted' out, he'd be gone. Just ask Allen Iverson.
Right...lets start comparing NBA situations with NHL ones...I'm a little disappointed in you....

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Right...lets start comparing NBA situations with NHL ones...I'm a little disappointed in you....
the NHL nowadays is basically NBA on skates so...

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the NHL nowadays is basically NBA on skates so...
The NBA owns the NHL in the US.... Stern has done well by sending us Betman, and screwing over the NHL, and that is a different topic. The Iverson trade talks have been happening since last year, it was nothing new, your telling me he just decided to get traded now? obviously he asked in the past, and no one said anything about it publicly...

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Right...lets start comparing NBA situations with NHL ones...I'm a little disappointed in you....
Well Snider does own them both...

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Well Snider does own them both...
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He is obviosuly not going to admit Forsberg asked for a trade, becasue he wouldn't want any thing to happen between him and the philly fans, if Forsberg were to re-sign. No GM ever tells the truth!!!
So then your previous comment isn't valid either:
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On TSN: they talked to the Flyers GM, and he said that Forsberg feels he should be traded becasue "he is not helping his team, because he feels he is not the same player he was"
Also, wanna link to this article you're talking about?

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