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02-14-2007, 09:51 AM
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If edmontons a swamp, Kingston is an outhouse.
this thread has nothing to do with Kingston, and i agree, Kingston is a hell hole. you are just getting defensive and insecure.

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Complaints about Kubina's or McCabe's don't count?
They make how much?

Sure, if you get to the higher contracts they'd ***** about it. If Yashin was a leaf he'd get the gears over his contract for sure.

But we are talking $5 and $6 mil players vs $2 and $3mil players (2.5, 3.5 to be exact).

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Boy you sure have done your research.

Average housing cost in Edmonton, as of January 2007, was $375,646. In Toronto, the average price is $353,724.
What you get for those prices varies wildly. You can't find a house that's fit for a dog anywhere near downtown Toronto for less than $400,000.

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02-14-2007, 09:55 AM
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This is exactly what I thought while reading the thread.

The guy was constantly referenced by his inflated salary and was eager to catch the first flight out of Edmonton when the season ended. Add in that he is now in Toronto where Strachan has ample access to him and it sounds like a match to me.

Now here is the rub, what is wrong with pointing out that Mike Peca was being paid way too much for how he was playing? Was it inaccrurate? Is he offended because he was held accountable for signing what HE felt was a fair contract despite not living up to expectations?

This whole argument is a red herring imo. Some players do get a rough ride because of what they make (and some people take it way too far in their critisisms but every demographic has a few melodramatics) but this is simply because they see themselves as worth a certain amount and then don't perform up to their market comaparables. Is it unfair?

They may not like the idea of the general public knowing what they make BUT they wouldn't have it any other way. They know damn well that this is as much a reason for their escalating salaries as anything they do on the ice.

Further to that, maybe Toronto doesn't magnify their salaries vs performance to the same degree as a place like Edmonton but that is because value for dollar is only now starting to get recognized. In the past they could cover up their overpayed, underperforming stars by going out and getting another guy to bolster their line up. This is going to change as we move further along in a capped world. Guys like McCabe are going to start getting qualified by thier overpriced contracts because if he isn't helping the team, the team will have no recourse to fixing the situation. For better or worse Edmonton has a 10 year head start in identifying (sometimes inaccurately) the difference between living up to their contracts and resting on it.

It's really quite simple, if a player signs a contract - be it high or low - then all the player has to do is play up to it. If they are offended by that notion or feel that it is an unfair expectation then why does Edmonton even want such a guy never mind care about what he thinks of such a situation?
Great post, I could not agree more.

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02-14-2007, 09:58 AM
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It's not trolling when the actual thread is about debating the merits of a city.
You do realize that the thread was started in regards to how players don't like the pressure of living up to their salaries, right?

All the "city VS city" stuff was brought up by guys like you who seem to have a seperate agenda.

Also as someone who has lived in the so called center of the universe, I am way more happy out here in Edmonton. Does that prove that Edmonton is better as rule? Not by a long shot but then again neither does someone sitting Kingston with the opposite opinion.

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Please explain what things Toronto and Montreal have to offer that Edmonton does not.
If you have to ask, then I have to seriously ask if you've ever been outside Edmonton before?

This discussion comes up every once & a while on these boards and basically what it comes down is the majority of people admitting that while Edmonton is a great city (I live here and I enjoy it), it does not carry the mystique, the nightlife or as many major attractions as a major North American city. Then you have the few people who are of the born & bred variety getting extremely self-defensive about how Edmonton is indeed on par with these cities....it just reeks of delusion.

Yes, there will always be small-town-boy exceptions, guys like Moreau, Pisani & Smyth who don't have any apparent desire to experience the NYs, LAs or Torontos, but I think recent history has born out that Edmonton is not a popular first-choice destination among NHL players

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Boy you sure have done your research.

Average housing cost in Edmonton, as of January 2007, was $375,646. In Toronto, the average price is $353,724.

http://www.bmonesbittburns.com/econo...ts/feb0807.pdf

And commuting to downtown in 30 minutes may be useful if anyone actually had a reason to go there.
The difference is, Toronto is loaded with single bedroom and loft condos that drop that average price down considerably.

You want a useful comparison, compare the price of an average 3 bedroom house between Toronto and Edmonton.

I mean if 80% of Edmonton's new developments were Condos, this would be a valid comparison. The only new housing in Toronto are Condos and those executive townhouses.

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I laugh at that elitist attitude of Ontarioians, yet you can't turn around without 50 UHauls cutting you off with Ontario plates on them in Edmonton. Trust me, we don't want you here either.

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Like who?
Comrie, Chimera, Cross, Carter, Conklin. None of them were the happiest with the organization when they got traded. That is weird how they are all Cs. Hopefully it stops at Cogs.

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i said "probably"

secondly, he's has attachments to city.

and OF course, Mccabe and Kubina are making too much money, but i don't think it's the fans place to piss and moan about salaries, it isn't there money.
Pre-salary cap, I would of agreed with you, but in a capped NHL, salary is just as important as personel in building a champion. If you believe the fan has the right to ***** about the players (IE: We should have traded for this guy, that guy needs to be benched), then I don't know how you can say they shouldn't be concerned with salary as it directly affects which players will be on the team.

You don't think that Avs fans have the right to complain about Theodore's 6 million dollar backup salary next year? I'd say it significantly hampers the Av's ability to build a winner

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Comrie, Chimera, Cross, Carter, Conklin. None of them were the happiest with the organization when they got traded. That is weird how they are all Cs. Hopefully it stops at Cogs.
I don't remember Carter or Conklin bad-mouthing the organization, but I do remember Comrie, Chimera and Cross.

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02-14-2007, 10:03 AM
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i always respect an opinion and i have no internal inferior complex so im going straight to the heart of the matter..

Why come to a Oiler board which has a majority of Edmontonians and make statements like that and then turn around and be surprised with the reactions? Is pride a foreign concept to you?
Maybe s/he figured objective, openminded discourse was the hallmark of the Edmonton boards, silly him/her, huh?

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I like how Ontfan couldn't answer the rebuttal about Calgary's "success"...figures.

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Wow, Strachan ragging on the Oilers? Is it a day ending in "Y" already?

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Boy you sure have done your research.

Average housing cost in Edmonton, as of January 2007, was $375,646. In Toronto, the average price is $353,724.

http://www.bmonesbittburns.com/econo...ts/feb0807.pdf

And commuting to downtown in 30 minutes may be useful if anyone actually had a reason to go there.
Seriously, man. Why the hell are you here? You strike me as nothing more than a petty, bitter child. Grow up or leave.

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The Flames have built a reputation as a perennial contender. Players know they will have a chance to win on the Flames.

The Oilers decade-and-a-half of mediocrity isn't exactly a draw for players.
Disagree.

Calgary: Missed the playoffs a bunch, went to game 7 in the SCF, first round exit

Edmonton: Alternated between missing the playoffs and first or second round exits, went to game 7 in the SCF

Not only do the oiler's have a far richer history of winning, but recent results on the ice are in the Oiler's favor as well. I think this does lend creedence to the theory that Edmonton itself is not an attractive destination)

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I sadly agree it's gotten to the point with Ontfan, where the mods have to take a long look if he's adding anything, or if every post is just an attempt to rag on the Oilers and the city as a whole.

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Just curious, but wasn't Strachan supposed to be retiring as of Dec 31/06? I thought the Sun had told him his contract wasn't going to be renewed...

Anyway, carry on.


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I don't remember Carter or Conklin bad-mouthing the organization, but I do remember Comrie, Chimera and Cross.
I never said bad mouthing the organization

passing comments on Klowe will do

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Just curious, but wasn't Strachan supposed to be retiring as of Dec 31/06? I thought the Star had told him his contract wasn't going to be renewed...

Anyway, carry on.
I'd ignore the star telling me that too if I worked for the sun

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I never said bad mouthing the organization

passing comments on Klowe will do
again, like who and what did they say?

I'll give you Comrie... who else?

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I'd ignore the star telling me that too if I worked for the sun
Whoops, I mean Sun.

I'll get right on editing that...

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this thread has nothing to do with Kingston, and i agree, Kingston is a hell hole. you are just getting defensive and insecure.
why?...is it wrong to defend the place you live?...

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everything

Diversity
Cultural crap
History
its not located halfway around the Country
Travel is cushy
night life
Entertainment

Every city has it's upside and downside even Montreal and Toronto but to say imply that Edmonton offers the same stuff as Montreal and Toronto is just stupid.
The only thing that has any merit in your drivel is the travel. The night life is irrelevent to most UFA's as they are married & have families. The rest, Edmonton is the equal to or better than a hell hole like t.o.

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I don't have the exact quotes from it, but did anyone see Strachan on The Score last night when they were doing their 10-Minute Misconduct routine?

He basically said nobody wants to play for the oilers (he did preface this by saying he'd be hung by the people out there for saying it). He said there's so much pressure and a lot of it has to do with the focus on salaries. Every time someone makes a mistake or has a bad game their salary is brought up and the validity of their contracts is brought up. He siad the players grow sick of it and don't wanna play there.

I think he's full of it, but then again, he WAS right about the Pronger thing and judging by this site, I think he might be right. After all, aren't we the busiest board on here?
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