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02-17-2007, 07:45 AM
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yes this what rumour boards, Eklund, and Garrioch do. They help us dream. Unless of course its one of our players being traded Then they are morons

I dont think its Ryan Smyth Mucks is waiting for. It'd be Iginla. Why sell Mucks short?

Perhaps if Edmonton signs a contract with Smyth now for next year, and then rents him out. Could they do that? Would we be ok with that?

But otherwise, why on earth would edmonton put its feet in the air and surrender to the vultures wanting to pick their carcass? Makes no sense. Think of yourself as an Oil fan and what you would think of this suggestion. Pretty hard to fathom it.

Plus, Smyth already said he is not going to give a home town discount. Everyone has said we dont want players like that.

Moreover, the additional potency of the rumour is derived from the fact that Ottawa fans have drooled and wet themselves over the fantasy of having Smyth in a sens uniform. Each year, there always seems to be another Smyth rumour in sens lalaland.

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02-17-2007, 08:30 AM
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There is no point in dealing for Smyth and dealing away the likes of Eaves and Lee for a rental. In fact, without moving say Redden, we can't add another high priced player for next year. And no way I would part with Eaves for a rental, even Smyth. He is like a young Mike Fisher was.

Young players that players that compete with grit and got skill don't grow on trees. Lee is highly regarded, but I would deal him for the right 'rental' cuz he is still unknown quantity.
Maybe it is Redden? The oilers need a puck moving dman. This could be a big trade involving 2 or 3 teams.

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Maybe it is Redden? The oilers need a puck moving dman. This could be a big trade involving 2 or 3 teams.
It would be odd to make that big of a deal more than halfway through the season.

Whether or not Redden is overpaid, he's still a big part of this team and eats up a lot of minutes, particularly on the PP.

Adjusting to losing him now isn't a good idea IMO.

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Maybe it is Redden? The oilers need a puck moving dman. This could be a big trade involving 2 or 3 teams.
Are you suggesting Edmonton, a team built in Smyths image, is so desperate for a defensman like Redden, and it is so hard for them to find one, that they would not only be willing to overpay him, but would trade us Ryan Smyth for that right?

The Oilers are in a tough spot right now. Ryan Smyth has them over a barrel in negotations and Edmonton and Lowe are rumoured as the leagues cheapskate hardballers and arent going to like this one bit. But what can they do? Give up on Smyth after Pronger? What would they tell all their fans who suppported the salary cap to stop them from losing weight and cujo.

The Oilers are screwed, Smyth is going to make them pay, and they will pay. They have no choice. And if Ryan Smyth wont take a home town discount in Edmonton, we can all officially give up on that little dream for any of our players.

If Edmonton is willing to trade him because they dont want to pay him $5.5, what does that say?

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02-17-2007, 12:32 PM
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That they're cheap ********. That is what Smyth is worth in this day and age. I could understand if they were right at the cap and had no room to move, like the Sens were put into with Hossa and Havlat. The Oilers just don't want to pay anyone a big salary. 5.5 million is reasonable for your franchise player, suck it up and give it to him. If they don't they won't be able to blame it on the greedy player anymore like they usually do, their fanbase will turn on them viciously.

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Are you suggesting Edmonton, a team built in Smyths image, is so desperate for a defensman like Redden, and it is so hard for them to find one, that they would not only be willing to overpay him, but would trade us Ryan Smyth for that right?

The Oilers are in a tough spot right now. Ryan Smyth has them over a barrel in negotations and Edmonton and Lowe are rumoured as the leagues cheapskate hardballers and arent going to like this one bit. But what can they do? Give up on Smyth after Pronger? What would they tell all their fans who suppported the salary cap to stop them from losing weight and cujo.

The Oilers are screwed, Smyth is going to make them pay, and they will pay. They have no choice. And if Ryan Smyth wont take a home town discount in Edmonton, we can all officially give up on that little dream for any of our players.

If Edmonton is willing to trade him because they dont want to pay him $5.5, what does that say?

Hey, I can dream. I'd take Smyth over Redden anytime.

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The Oilers are screwed, Smyth is going to make them pay, and they will pay. They have no choice. And if Ryan Smyth wont take a home town discount in Edmonton, we can all officially give up on that little dream for any of our players.
If Edmonton is willing to trade him because they dont want to pay him $5.5, what does that say?
It says that they're eyeing either Corvo or Preissing, and the Redden talk can quiet down for a while. But you're right about Smyth... he makes $3.5M right now, and he leads the team in goals, points, heart, intensity, hockey hair, teeth dislodged, sweat per square inch, blood spilled, autographs signed, jerseys ordered, hockey cards made, street hockey mimicry by Edmonton children, and occasional vowels per letter in name. They gave Fernando Pisani $2.5M/yr. Lupul is a $2.3M/yr cap hit for his 23pts to date. They handed Horcoff $3.6M/yr long-term after all of one season with 40 or more points. Smyth is well on his way to a 7th straight season of 50 or more. If the Oilers are in cap trouble, they've got multiple players they can and should dump any day of the week before even considering trying to low-ball Ryan Smyth... again. And Kevin Lowe is a complete moron if he doesn't recognize this. A new deal for Ryan Smyth is about as no-brainer as it gets.


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Are you suggesting Edmonton, a team built in Smyths image, is so desperate for a defensman like Redden, and it is so hard for them to find one, that they would not only be willing to overpay him, but would trade us Ryan Smyth for that right?
What a ridiculous notion,as anyone who reads these boards shoud know, players like Redden are a dime a dozen!

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Just as a note, based on some of the innuendo and rumors going around when Comrie left, it might not be a good idea to add any of the Salo-era Oilers....

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That they're cheap ********. That is what Smyth is worth in this day and age. I could understand if they were right at the cap and had no room to move, like the Sens were put into with Hossa and Havlat. The Oilers just don't want to pay anyone a big salary. 5.5 million is reasonable for your franchise player, suck it up and give it to him. If they don't they won't be able to blame it on the greedy player anymore like they usually do, their fanbase will turn on them viciously.
Smyth is NOT a franchise player. A very good player who can get 30 goals and 50-60 pts a year yes, but NOT a franchise player like Pronger was. Edmonton would have no problem paying Pronger 6.5-7 million a year like they signed him on to for 5 years. The problem is, they KNOW Ryan Smyth is not worth that type of money. I would not pay him a cent more than 4.5 maximum. And 4.5 is a lot of money only because he is good and grity. But that does not make him a franchise guy.

For example, Edmonton would pay say Heatley that type of $$ in a hearbeat, and I think he will already be making 5.5 next year.

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